Guest firetotheworks Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If I thought that we were a very good side, I'd be disappointed with finishing 8th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 a few game results doesn't determine the outcome of the ability of your side. It does. f***ing hell. Not even bothering to answer that. So silly like. Proper silly. Come back with a more reasonable example than Man United and it might be worthy of debate. As things stand, it's totally silly and not worth talking about. Southampton have went from an average side to a very good side side because they have won the last 3 with 3 clean sheets and five goals in the process and one of the teams they've defeated is Liverpool away? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If I thought that we were a very good side, I'd be disappointed with finishing 8th. Yep. A mid-table position does not fit my definition of "very good for this league". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 the more i think of using HBA instead of cisse as a false 9 or whatever the more i like it, i really hope this daft cunt cottons on somehow 'cause it could be amazing and for home games vs. 'park the bus' types might also be a better way of opening them up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 a few game results doesn't determine the outcome of the ability of your side. It does. f***ing hell. Not even bothering to answer that. So silly like. Proper silly. Come back with a more reasonable example than Man United and it might be worthy of debate. As things stand, it's totally silly and not worth talking about. Southampton have went from an average side to a very good side side because they have won the last 3 with 3 clean sheets and five goals in the process and one of the teams they've defeated is Liverpool away? I honestly can't tell whether you're being serious or sarcastic here. It's hard to tell with you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 sorry, hope i've not derailed everyone kicking off with brett over semantics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manosdepiedra Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 We've seen this win before. It's the 2nd half retreat that encapsulates his coward approach. He's never sure of what we're doing right, and when we're doing something right, his main aim is to ensure we don't lose it. It wasn't tactical though, we set out positively in the second half but the momentum just turned against us. It happens it football, we aren't good enough to dominate a game for 90 minutes. Agreed. We came out in the second half even more positive than in the first. We were battering them, up to the point of Willo's air shot. The trouble with this side this season isnt as much Pardew and how he sets them up rather than the collective Gallic shrug when we concede a goal. Add to that the surrenders at home in the last 3 games last season and the capitualtion v Hull this season then iyam the problem is with attitude and heart rather than tactics and ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Our fitness is shocking too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If I thought that we were a very good side, I'd be disappointed with finishing 8th. I just realise the top 6 have improved greatly over past couple of year and the task of catching them up is becoming harder. It's a tough league, just got to try and keep pushing on and bring the calibre of players like Remy to the club. Not an easy task but we have improved the talent within our squad over the years but just not as quickly as the top teams can afford to do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I don't think we are a very good side at all. Capable of decent spells against moderate opposition but we are more a collection of talented yet inconsistent individuals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If I thought that we were a very good side, I'd be disappointed with finishing 8th. I just realise the top 6 have improved greatly over past couple of year and the task of catching them up is becoming harder. It's a tough league, just got to try and keep pushing on and bring the calibre of players like Remy to the club. Not an easy task but we have improved the talent within our squad over the years but just not as quickly as the top teams can afford to do it. So "very good" means anywhere from 4th to about 10th? Good is 11th to 14th, average is...... How odd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If I thought that we were a very good side, I'd be disappointed with finishing 8th. I just realise the top 6 have improved greatly over past couple of year and the task of catching them up is becoming harder. It's a tough league, just got to try and keep pushing on and bring the calibre of players like Remy to the club. Not an easy task but we have improved the talent within our squad over the years but just not as quickly as the top teams can afford to do it. Ignoring the semantics of being a very good side for the moment (fwiw a very good side shouldn't be happy with 8th imo) I don't think those sides have improved in so much as the others have fallen away. The collective gap is still the same imo. The only teams that have clearly improved are Liverpool imo. Arsenal look better, but the rest have dropped a level in quality or remained the same, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If I thought that we were a very good side, I'd be disappointed with finishing 8th. I just realise the top 6 have improved greatly over past couple of year and the task of catching them up is becoming harder. It's a tough league, just got to try and keep pushing on and bring the calibre of players like Remy to the club. Not an easy task but we have improved the talent within our squad over the years but just not as quickly as the top teams can afford to do it. Ignoring the semantics of being a very good side for the moment (fwiw a very good side shouldn't be happy with 8th imo) I don't think those sides have improved in so much as the others have fallen away. The collective gap is still the same imo. The only teams that have clearly improved are Liverpool imo. Arsenal look better, but the rest have dropped a level in quality or remained the same, imo. I Think we discuss improved it's very much "on paper" are present. Sure the likes of Swansea, Norwich, Spurs etc have improved their squad on paper but at the minute the results aren't bearing it out. I think that a good season for us would be a cup and a finish of 8th personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If I thought that we were a very good side, I'd be disappointed with finishing 8th. I just realise the top 6 have improved greatly over past couple of year and the task of catching them up is becoming harder. It's a tough league, just got to try and keep pushing on and bring the calibre of players like Remy to the club. Not an easy task but we have improved the talent within our squad over the years but just not as quickly as the top teams can afford to do it. Ignoring the semantics of being a very good side for the moment (fwiw a very good side shouldn't be happy with 8th imo) I don't think those sides have improved in so much as the others have fallen away. The collective gap is still the same imo. The only teams that have clearly improved are Liverpool imo. Arsenal look better, but the rest have dropped a level in quality or remained the same, imo. Spurs have just bought themselves a new squad what should be good enough to challenge for title, they haven't even unleashed Lamela yet. Only the champions have really failed to move forward, the rest have done so. Just because i think we are a good side doesn't mean to say i think we are better than Liverpool and should be taking their 6th place finish. We are behind them in terms of quality. You have people on here saying 8th isn't good enough but then think we will be in a relegation battle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 There's very good things about this side but there is too many gaping holes for it to be a very good side in general. There's a massive difference between the two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If I thought that we were a very good side, I'd be disappointed with finishing 8th. I just realise the top 6 have improved greatly over past couple of year and the task of catching them up is becoming harder. It's a tough league, just got to try and keep pushing on and bring the calibre of players like Remy to the club. Not an easy task but we have improved the talent within our squad over the years but just not as quickly as the top teams can afford to do it. Ignoring the semantics of being a very good side for the moment (fwiw a very good side shouldn't be happy with 8th imo) I don't think those sides have improved in so much as the others have fallen away. The collective gap is still the same imo. The only teams that have clearly improved are Liverpool imo. Arsenal look better, but the rest have dropped a level in quality or remained the same, imo. Spurs have just bought themselves a new squad what should be good enough to challenge for title, they haven't even unleashed Lamela yet. Only the champions have really failed to move forward, the rest have done so. Just because i think we are a good side doesn't mean to say i think we are better than Liverpool and should be taking their 6th place finish. We are behind them in terms of quality. You have people on here saying 8th isn't good enough but then think we will be in a relegation battle. Neither of those two things are mutually exclusive. Just because you won't accept one thing, doesn't mean you'll accept another. You wouldn't take a tenner for your car just because you've been offered a quid. 8th isn't good enough in terms of our current ambition. Absolutely not. Never. It's certainly not good enough for a side that I would ever describe as very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 There's very good things about this side but there is too many gaping holes for it to be a very good side in general. There's a massive difference between the two. Yeah i know what you mean, i'm just generally very happy with how this side is taken shape, there's a lot to like about it and i don't think they are getting the praise they deserve simply because people have issues with management/owners. We have a lot of players other clubs around us would absolutely love to have and we are taken them for granted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest firetotheworks Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 There's very good things about this side but there is too many gaping holes for it to be a very good side in general. There's a massive difference between the two. Yeah i know what you mean, i'm just generally very happy with how this side is taken shape, there's a lot to like about it and i don't think they are getting the praise they deserve simply because people have issues with management/owners. We have a lot of players other clubs around us would absolutely love to have and we are taken them for granted. See, this is where you make absolutely no sense to me. Are you discounting Pardew from this side? If so, why? I should also add that people don't just have issues with the management/owners, it's also approach to games, performances, tactics and results. You can't pick and choose, when there's more to it than just Pardew and Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If I thought that we were a very good side, I'd be disappointed with finishing 8th. I just realise the top 6 have improved greatly over past couple of year and the task of catching them up is becoming harder. It's a tough league, just got to try and keep pushing on and bring the calibre of players like Remy to the club. Not an easy task but we have improved the talent within our squad over the years but just not as quickly as the top teams can afford to do it. Ignoring the semantics of being a very good side for the moment (fwiw a very good side shouldn't be happy with 8th imo) I don't think those sides have improved in so much as the others have fallen away. The collective gap is still the same imo. The only teams that have clearly improved are Liverpool imo. Arsenal look better, but the rest have dropped a level in quality or remained the same, imo. Spurs have just bought themselves a new squad what should be good enough to challenge for title, they haven't even unleashed Lamela yet. Only the champions have really failed to move forward, the rest have done so. Just because i think we are a good side doesn't mean to say i think we are better than Liverpool and should be taking their 6th place finish. We are behind them in terms of quality. You have people on here saying 8th isn't good enough but then think we will be in a relegation battle. Neither of those two things are mutually exclusive. Just because you won't accept one thing, doesn't mean you'll accept another. You wouldn't take a tenner for your car just because you've been offered a quid. 8th isn't good enough in terms of our current ambition. Absolutely not. Never. It's certainly not good enough for a side that I would ever describe as very good. Well what do you want this side to do? Magically conjure up another level of ability and break the top 6? I'm sure our players will give it their best shot in doing so but unfortunately it's going to be hard when likes of Liverpool who are probably favourites for 6th spot aren't going to drop that many points to fall out of it. You can't see any side in that top 6 realistically falling short of it because of the talent they have. It’s not like us and likes of Everton are poor, it’s just the top 6 is very strong this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I'm so impressed with KI's patience right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Who was it who said it was too quiet in here again? Guess it didn't take long Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If I thought that we were a very good side, I'd be disappointed with finishing 8th. I just realise the top 6 have improved greatly over past couple of year and the task of catching them up is becoming harder. It's a tough league, just got to try and keep pushing on and bring the calibre of players like Remy to the club. Not an easy task but we have improved the talent within our squad over the years but just not as quickly as the top teams can afford to do it. Ignoring the semantics of being a very good side for the moment (fwiw a very good side shouldn't be happy with 8th imo) I don't think those sides have improved in so much as the others have fallen away. The collective gap is still the same imo. The only teams that have clearly improved are Liverpool imo. Arsenal look better, but the rest have dropped a level in quality or remained the same, imo. Spurs have just bought themselves a new squad what should be good enough to challenge for title, they haven't even unleashed Lamela yet. Only the champions have really failed to move forward, the rest have done so. Just because i think we are a good side doesn't mean to say i think we are better than Liverpool and should be taking their 6th place finish. We are behind them in terms of quality. You have people on here saying 8th isn't good enough but then think we will be in a relegation battle. Neither of those two things are mutually exclusive. Just because you won't accept one thing, doesn't mean you'll accept another. You wouldn't take a tenner for your car just because you've been offered a quid. 8th isn't good enough in terms of our current ambition. Absolutely not. Never. It's certainly not good enough for a side that I would ever describe as very good. Well what do you want this side to do? Magically conjure up another level of ability and break the top 6? I'm sure our players will give it their best shot in doing so but unfortunately it's going to be hard when likes of Liverpool who are probably favourites for 6th spot aren't going to drop that many points to fall out of it. You can't see any side in that top 6 realistically falling short of it because of the talent they have. It’s not like us and likes of Everton are poor, it’s just the top 6 is very strong this year. Magically conjure? Nah, I'd like us to put our collective playing talent to good use and win football matches with positive tactical game plans, play as a team and go out there and play with confidence. To have an owner that invests into the team and to actually strives to get there rather than just be happy with staying in the league and not bothering with any cups. I'd like a manager that isn't fucking shite. You know, that kind of magic hocus pocus that we support a team for. The basics. Magically conjure ffs. Jesus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TRon Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 a few game results doesn't determine the outcome of the ability of your side. It does. f***ing hell. Not even bothering to answer that. So silly like. Proper silly. Come back with a more reasonable example than Man United and it might be worthy of debate. As things stand, it's totally silly and not worth talking about. Southampton have went from an average side to a very good side side because they have won the last 3 with 3 clean sheets and five goals in the process and one of the teams they've defeated is Liverpool away? What's the main difference between Southampton and us? Would you swap our squad with theirs? I don't think so. I'd suggest the main difference is they have a manager who knows exactly what he wants and how to get it, rather than scratch his head wondering like Stan fucking Laurel. http://www.lordheath.com/web_images/stan_laurel___thicker_than_water.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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