Happy Face Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 70 long balls per game? What an absolute load of shite that statistic is, because no team plays 70 long balls a game. Remember the time HappyFace's homemade statistics/source had a non-integer for goals scored or sommat That's nowt, he posted a set of stats that 'explained' why Pardew kept playing Jonas on the wing I never like. I posted a set of stats that showed which players were playing when we conceded most or least. Whatever inferences were taken from that were opinion. Stats prove nothing, they only support an argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 70 long balls per game? What an absolute load of shite that statistic is, because no team plays 70 long balls a game. Remember the time HappyFace's homemade statistics/source had a non-integer for goals scored or sommat That's nowt, he posted a set of stats that 'explained' why Pardew kept playing Jonas on the wing I never like. I posted a set of stats that showed which players were playing when we conceded most or least. Whatever inferences were taken from that were opinion. Stats prove nothing, they only support an argument. You posted a set of numbers that made it 'clear to see the value he places in Jonas'. Every single person on this forum (and most at the match) could have told you that without a list of numbers, months before you made that post. He always will too. We've conceded less goals in the games Jonas plays. I hate to go back to the stats but I do like to back up what I say, so here goes.... If you look at how long each player has spent on the pitch, and how many goals were conceded when that player was on, then it's clear the value Pardew places in Jonas... Top 5 Gutierez - 58.9 minutes per goal conceded Cabaye - 57.9 Williamson - 55.9 S Taylor - 53.9 Ben Arfa - 53.6 When he got injured we immediately conceded 4 at Man U then 7 at Arsenal in the next 2 games The next time he missed any football was when he got dragged off against Liverpool. we were 2 nil down then....but we conceded 4 in the second half alone without him. Most would prefer our attacking players to be attacking of course, and Jonas has done nothing for us there. But it's clear where Pardew sees his value to the team, defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 "I do like to back up what I say" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 "I do like to back up what I say" Yeah, when I go to buy some cans I take a picture of an empty fridge with me, just in case the lad serving me doubts that I need any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 "I do like to back up what I say" Yeah, when I go to buy some cans I take a picture of an empty fridge with me, just in case the lad serving me doubts that I need any. Incognito didn't seem to understand why Pardew would choose him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 "I do like to back up what I say" Yeah, when I go to buy some cans I take a picture of an empty fridge with me, just in case the lad serving me doubts that I need any. Incognito didn't seem to understand why Pardew would choose him. Eh what? *wakesfromslumbertoseemyname Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 "I do like to back up what I say" Yeah, when I go to buy some cans I take a picture of an empty fridge with me, just in case the lad serving me doubts that I need any. Incognito didn't seem to understand why Pardew would choose him. Eh what? *wakesfromslumbertoseemyname I say "didn't seem to" because your post said "it seems he'll always find a spot for Jonas." In truth, you did totally know why. Because after I posted what was quoted above you said "This is exactly what I was getting at. In the same way Taggart selects Welbeck in the "harder" games. It is because he is the best defensive forward they have." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 He knows we played well at Sunderland does he? Knowledgeable fella then, knows his football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I wonder how you measure in stat form how a manager shits his pants before a derby game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 “I think [the owner] Mike Ashley understands the fine lines we are working in. He texted me this week and he knows we played well at Sunderland and we could have won there. The breaks in the game can make all the difference and we got the breaks today whereas at Sunderland we didn’t.” http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/toothless-not-ruthless--jose-mourinho-ready-to-wield-axe-at-chelsea-following-20-defeat-to-newcastle-8920014.html Pards must still be burning after successive derby failures. He's trying to use the Chelsea win to wipe out the Sunderland defeat the week before. It doesn't work like that Pards, the FA aren't going to award you an extra three points in retrospect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slippery Sam Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 “I think [the owner] Mike Ashley understands the fine lines we are working in. He texted me this week and he knows we played well at Sunderland and we could have won there. The breaks in the game can make all the difference and we got the breaks today whereas at Sunderland we didn’t.” http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/toothless-not-ruthless--jose-mourinho-ready-to-wield-axe-at-chelsea-following-20-defeat-to-newcastle-8920014.html It's all about luck, then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 In Pardle's head the game is almost completely decided by luck, magic and superstition and if they don't go your way then you're fucked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The contrast between the two managers is highlighted exceptionally well in that piece. Theirs believes in facing truths and reality when they lose and win, regardless of the result, ours believes in fairies and magic. Unbelievable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The contrast between the two managers is highlighted exceptionally well in that piece. Theirs believes in facing truths and reality when they lose and win, regardless of the result, ours believes in fairies and magic. Unbelievable. Chelsea would beat us 9 times out of 10 if we played the way we did in the first half on Saturday, they looked as if they thought they just had to turn up and they were trying to walk the ball into the net. Our last 20 minutes were as good as anything we've done this season, the first 60 to 70 was anything but. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/alan-pardew-say-look-into-my-crystal-ball/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The contrast between the two managers is highlighted exceptionally well in that piece. Theirs believes in facing truths and reality when they lose and win, regardless of the result, ours believes in fairies and magic. Unbelievable. Chelsea would beat us 9 times out of 10 if we played the way we did in the first half on Saturday, they looked as if they thought they just had to turn up and they were trying to walk the ball into the net. Our last 20 minutes were as good as anything we've done this season, the first 60 to 70 was anything but. What happened on Saturday was exactly the game plan we had for Benfica, so he's shown it does work to an extent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/alan-pardew-say-look-into-my-crystal-ball/ Pretty accurate depiction of the game tbf. We rode our luck and made the "magic" happen. Think we should go in for Harry Potter in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 What luck? they had 2 shots on target all game... Possession doesn't equal domination.... they created nothing and hardly got into out box, there was no luck involved. Being pessimistic for the sake of it is really boring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 What happened on Saturday was exactly the game plan we had for Benfica, so he's shown it does work to an extent. It worked on Saturday but I wouldn't like to go that way too often, we rode our luck and we won the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 What luck? they had 2 shots on target all game... Possession doesn't equal domination.... they created nothing and hardly got into out box, there was no luck involved. Being pessimistic for the sake of it is really boring. Our first and possibly only shot in the first half was on 29 minutes, we were lucky whether you realise that or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 What luck? they had 2 shots on target all game... Possession doesn't equal domination.... they created nothing and hardly got into out box, there was no luck involved. Being pessimistic for the sake of it is really boring. Our first and possibly only shot in the first half was on 29 minutes, we were lucky whether you realise that or not. Honestly, man. So fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The contrast between the two managers is highlighted exceptionally well in that piece. Theirs believes in facing truths and reality when they lose and win, regardless of the result, ours believes in fairies and magic. Unbelievable. To be fair, it's easy for Mourinho to be magnanimous in defeat and all that stuff, he's an established success who is bigger than the club he works for and any of his players. I agree his attitude is good, but he spouts a fair bit of nonsense as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Honestly, man. So f***. That's surprising, not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Blasted all owa by Mick's patter pistol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Blasted all owa by Mick's patter pistol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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