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No one is a fucking 'Pardite', nor are they claiming he is the man to take us forward.

 

i don't think anyone is staunchly anti-pardew either, to the point of being stubborn about the man - spudil has made very valid points about the last 2 games tbh but they're just glossed over for some reason

 

we're analysing 2 good results and comparing that with our previous performances under pardew, some people are ignoring the validity of the concerns (as they did  when we were almost relegated) and choosing to shout it down as negativity

 

you improve at anything by looking at where it is you can improve, not by saying "that was mint eh" and putting your fucking feet up

 

:thup: :thup:

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I'll just point it out now to quote it in the future.

 

The exact people who now brush problems like HBA not being in the team  under the carpet , because we won the games in question, are the same people who brushed all of the problems in the 5th place  season under the carpet because we were winning games then for the most part

 

It's as if football is so simple to these people that if you win/ are winning everything is pretty much 100% right as rain.  :whistle:

 

So we've won two very good games with a hard working, plucky 4-4-2 preforming exactly the same way as we did in the season where we finished 5th. Just like then when the football was clearly not sustainable medium/long term,  it is not now.

 

Shola Ameobi and Obertan getting minutes over HBA? Come on.

 

If you can't see the problems with getting excited over these two wins after witnessing the last two seasons unfold, I feel for ya bro.

 

If you do see the problems and are just hoping these issues will be addressed then fair enough, but at this point it's just hope because despite AP winning two admittedly, very tough games - the same problems that have always been there are still there.

 

 

Ugh. Fucking sanctimonious drivel. 'Bro' in there, too. #legend

 

:lol: Wew, what a prick.  Didn't even read the post properly, just went for his cool/funny/always right routine and away we go.

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I quite like the differing voices.

 

I hear voices. I also see the faces in the wallpaper.

 

Pardew's still shit, mind.

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Shola Ameobi and Obertan getting minutes over HBA? Come on.

 

Especially when the logic doesn't make sense. Obertan was brought on over HBA to help protect the left side and it actually ended up weakening us.

 

In that instance, there was literally no excuse for not bringing on Ben Arfa.

 

Wasn't Obertan just brought on because he runs around a lot and threatens (sort of) on the break?

 

I love HBA more than anyone but I don't think it really matters that Obertan was brought on in this specific situation. You know that it doesn't mean Pardew thinks he's better than Ben Arfa.

 

There is no situation where Obertan would be the preferred option for me tbh.

 

Attacking, defending, tracking back, running down the channel, retaining posession of the ball, counter attacking - HBA is the better option every time, I even said it in the match thread. Get HBA on, give him the ball and he keeps a hold of it - we'd have been under a hell of a lot less pressure compared to flooding the midfield and leaving Cisse/Remy up there alone.

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Please don't pay for Inochi to be removed from N-O.

The number of intelligent, witty posters on here seems to have dropped significantly in the last few years and the debate seldom rises above the banal. We need more bright sparks and opposing views, not less.

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Please don't pay for Inochi to be removed from N-O.

The number of intelligent, witty posters on here seems to have dropped significantly in the last few years and the debate seldom rises above the banal. We need more bright sparks and opposing views, not less.

 

:lol: Intelligent and witty, areet.

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Interesting comment in the .com match report for the Spurs game...

 

"That meant that a fit-again Fabricio Coloccini was benched in favour of retaining the central defensive partnership of Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa and Mike Williamson. Meanwhile the 4-4-2 lineup apparently favoured within the dressing room was retained Shola Ameobi continuing up top alongside Remy in preference to Papiss Cisse or Hatem Ben Arfa, who were among the subs."

 

Not sure what that's based on - but suggesting players as well as Pardew prefer 442. Just thought it was interesting based on the slagging I often give Pardew for always reverting to 442.

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We all just do it to annoy you. It's all for you.

 

Mate, don't rise to it. Some of us can see that you're speaking out for those of us intelligent enough to see that there's an unrepresented middle ground. Pardew might not be the answer (let's be honest, he probably isn't!), but sometimes and especially on here it gets a bit messy, emotions run a bit high and facts are embellished, or hatred turns into fabricated "facts" ending with people criticising him ever so slightly more than he probably deserves to be.

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Interesting comment in the .com match report for the Spurs game...

 

"That meant that a fit-again Fabricio Coloccini was benched in favour of retaining the central defensive partnership of Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa and Mike Williamson. Meanwhile the 4-4-2 lineup apparently favoured within the dressing room was retained Shola Ameobi continuing up top alongside Remy in preference to Papiss Cisse or Hatem Ben Arfa, who were among the subs."

 

Not sure what that's based on - but suggesting players as well as Pardew prefer 442. Just thought it was interesting based on the slagging I often give Pardew for always reverting to 442.

 

Its probably bollocks.

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We all just do it to annoy you. It's all for you.

 

Mate, don't rise to it. Some of us can see that you're speaking out for those of us intelligent enough to see that there's an unrepresented middle ground. Pardew might not be the answer (let's be honest, he probably isn't!), but sometimes and especially on here it gets a bit messy, emotions run a bit high and facts are embellished, or hatred turns into fabricated "facts" ending with people criticising him ever so slightly more than he probably deserves to be.

I read it and looked twice to see who had posted it.
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If you took Ian/Inochi/Brett away from the forum then I'd pay £20 a year to frequent it.

 

I've found myself agreeing with them on a lot of things at different times about players tbf, but on this manager I'm a million miles away. It's one thing to remain positive and look at all angles, but sometimes you just have to take a longer term view and think about how you can make progress as a football team on the pitch, since there's not a lot we can do about what goes on off it.

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Shola Ameobi and Obertan getting minutes over HBA? Come on.

 

Especially when the logic doesn't make sense. Obertan was brought on over HBA to help protect the left side and it actually ended up weakening us.

In that instance, there was literally no excuse for not bringing on Ben Arfa.

there was like, personally I'd have brought colo on and tried to push the full backs on 10yds or so especially as they caught santon loads with the ball played inside him.

 

really can't see any reason FOR bringing ben arfa on last weekend.

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If you took Ian/Inochi/Brett away from the forum then I'd pay £20 a year to frequent it.

 

I've found myself agreeing with them on a lot of things at different times about players tbf, but on this manager I'm a million miles away. It's one thing to remain positive and look at all angles, but sometimes you just have to take a longer term view and think about how you can make progress as a football team on the pitch, since there's not a lot we can do about what goes on off it.

 

No hard feelings on that score. Would I swap Pardew for a better manager? Obviously I would, that goes without saying really. I'm just inclined to support him while he's here and I think we've kind of talked ourselves into a paranoid delusion that he's Satan or something. He's also suffered from being involved with a regime that everyone hates. A lot of the stuff he says/does is absolutely standard managerial waffle or fans having a different opinion to the pros type stuff IMO. 

 

Anyway, it's a Tuesday night, all is good in the world.

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Shola Ameobi and Obertan getting minutes over HBA? Come on.

 

Especially when the logic doesn't make sense. Obertan was brought on over HBA to help protect the left side and it actually ended up weakening us.

In that instance, there was literally no excuse for not bringing on Ben Arfa.

there was like, personally I'd have brought colo on and tried to push the full backs on 10yds or so especially as they caught santon loads with the ball played inside him.

 

really can't see any reason FOR bringing ben arfa on last weekend.

 

When you have a team pushing forward and leaving lots of space to exploit behind, I would think a player like ben Arfa would certainly be worth considering as part of the mix. Not that Obertan did badly mind. He did ok for what was expected of him on the day.

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