Skeletor Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 In every event we either need to replace Pardew or a large portion of the first team, replacing Pardew is the cheaper, quicker and most efficient option. Only if you believe he's beyond hope and doesn't deserve a chance to turn it around. Of course he doesn't. It would be different if he set the team up to win but the players just weren't good enough and not getting results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Of course he's beyond hope if we actually want to properly compete in this league. The bloke is a poor manager, there really isn't much more to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 In every event we either need to replace Pardew or a large portion of the first team, replacing Pardew is the cheaper, quicker and most efficient option. Only if you believe he's beyond hope and doesn't deserve a chance to turn it around. That's the thing that creates doubt about whether he will be sacked. The bloke plays worse football than Allardyce, enough reason to sack him just for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 He's worse than Hitler. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 He's worse than Hitler. At least Hitler went full throttle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 1 win in 9. That in the same season where we won 2 games in 16 between November and January shows what a car crash of season it's been. The manager is ultimately to blame as he despite the club spending 22M on new players in January, the football, the tactics etc never changed despite better players coming in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 He's worse than Hitler. I would equate him to Peter Sutcliffe in the fact that we have been fucked by a Hammer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 How much has been spent on players since Pardews been manager? just wondering how much you have to spend on players to get relegated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikri Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 In every event we either need to replace Pardew or a large portion of the first team, replacing Pardew is the cheaper, quicker and most efficient option. Only if you believe he's beyond hope and doesn't deserve a chance to turn it around. That's the thing that creates doubt about whether he will be sacked. Pardew has been given a chance to improve and show that he deserves more time. He should have probably been sacked by the New Year but instead the club backed him by buying 5 players in the transfer window, but performances have gone even further backwards since then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 When you look at some of the key failings of the team on the pitch over the past couple of years then you start to realise how dire he is: - no goals from a set piece for over 2 years. Set pieces are an orchestrated play - something that is worked on routinely in training. Movement, positions and strategy are usually dictated by the manager and the coaches so if the set piece plays don't work, the manager and coaching staff are to blame - One win away from home all season - tactics and negative lineups have played a large part in this but it's also down to mentality and motivation, instilling in the players a belief that they can win regardless of not being on home soil. We don't have that mentality or belief and have never looked like having it this season - No win after going behind in a match since before Pardew took over as Manager (might need to check accuracy but pretty sure this is the case) This is the big one for me. This reflects lack of motivation, lack of a winning mentality and poor, ineffective substitutions. Pardew is absolutely incapable of changing a game which, at the top level, is absolutely criminal - second worst defensive record in the league Considering we supposedly spend 5 days a week working on defensive shape and duties, this alone should be enough to get him the sack. We've conceded 9 more goals than QPR FFS! - 10 wins all season despite no players leaving in the summer and 5 top quality recruits joining in January. And I'm sure there are more. None of this stuff is down to bad luck, injuries, poor officials etc. All of it is due to consistent bad management from Pardew and his back room staff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Your 'big one' isn't true, mate. I'd also argue that a few of our results this season are down to exactly bad luck, injuries and poor officals. PLEASE NOTE: I do not want to have sex with Alan Pardew. I think he is a bad, bad man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 weyyyyy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Your 'big one' isn't true, mate. Aye - Chelsea, Southampton and Stoke this season. We couldn't manage it for ages then had 3 in quick succession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Cabaye also scored from a FK against Stoke. Your point would be right if you are talking about goals from corners though. Last one we did was Ba's vs Wolves last season (not 2 years). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Cabaye also scored from a FK against Stoke. Think he meant corners. We've scored a few free kicks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 We don't have the 2nd worst defence in the league either - Wigan and Reading are both worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 When you look at some of the key failings of the team on the pitch over the past couple of years then you start to realise how dire he is: - no goals from a set piece for over 2 years. Set pieces are an orchestrated play - something that is worked on routinely in training. Movement, positions and strategy are usually dictated by the manager and the coaches so if the set piece plays don't work, the manager and coaching staff are to blame - One win away from home all season - tactics and negative lineups have played a large part in this but it's also down to mentality and motivation, instilling in the players a belief that they can win regardless of not being on home soil. We don't have that mentality or belief and have never looked like having it this season - No win after going behind in a match since before Pardew took over as Manager (might need to check accuracy but pretty sure this is the case) This is the big one for me. This reflects lack of motivation, lack of a winning mentality and poor, ineffective substitutions. Pardew is absolutely incapable of changing a game which, at the top level, is absolutely criminal - second worst defensive record in the league Considering we supposedly spend 5 days a week working on defensive shape and duties, this alone should be enough to get him the sack. We've conceded 9 more goals than QPR FFS! - 10 wins all season despite no players leaving in the summer and 5 top quality recruits joining in January. And I'm sure there are more. None of this stuff is down to bad luck, injuries, poor officials etc. All of it is due to consistent bad management from Pardew and his back room staff. The blaming of Pardew for everything thats ever gone wrong regardless of whether true or not just gets funnier and funnier. Not going into too much detail but :- Point 1. Wrong. We've scored a few from set pieces over the last two years, we just seem to be having a bit of bother with scoring from corners. Point 3. Wrong. We've done it a couple of times this season, possibly in consecutive games without checking. In your summing up you'd have sounded more credible if you'd said SOME of it was down to bad luck, injuries, poor refereeing etc., but MOST of it is down to bad management. But hey, lets not let facts get in the way of a good rant :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 We're shit, it's his fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 We're shit, it's his fault. Again this is the long and short of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 We're shit, it's his fault. Yeah, that would have worked better. Succinct, to the point. Snappy. Would look good on a poster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 We've scored directly from FK's through Cabaye & Raylor, it should have said scored in-directly from a FK i.e. a ball into the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Ok fair enough, it was a shit post but i couldn't be arsed to fully research it. Replace 'set pieces' with 'corners' though and it sounds just a bad. We are not having a bit of trouble with corners, we are beyond fucking useless at them. We might as well just hoof the ball back to our keeper from the corner flag for all the good our set plays do. Blaming Pardew for everything that ever went wrong?! Really? I blame him for not being able to do the things that fall under his remit - tactics, team lineups, in-game changes, constant failure from set corner routines that he has orchestrated. Who else do you suggest is to blame for this stuff? The players have to shoulder the blame for not performing well enough individually and as a collective but they are not in control of any of the things listed above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Pards is a legend tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 We're shit, it's his fault. Again this is the long and short of it. And we are also dull as dishwater just to add insult to injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I don't buy into blaming "bad luck" or reffing decisions, (a) you make your own luck (b) if you take your chances the luck is irrelevant and © all teams have a run of the good and bad, over the course of a season this should and in most cases does even out. The reason the bad luck stands out so much is that even when things do go our way we lose anyway and so the good luck goes under the radar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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