Guest icemanblue Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 This place is going to be very quiet next season if he does stay. Lots of people not watching/going to games. Nah, everyone will still be watching, and coming on here for a good moan about our new relegation fight. Can't wait. Yeah. That's kind of what I was saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I get that most people use football as their escape from the mundane realities of everyday life (the wife, the job, the kids, the realisation that they're now in their thirties and still not headed in any meaningful direction in life, etc.) but when the escapism you crave isn't provided for you by the team you've chosen to support (often the case for many on here) then why not reduce some of the emotional capital you're investing into something that is providing you with negative returns and find something else to take your mind off the those mundane realities? Golf, fishing, reading, cinema, knitting? Alternatively, you could continue to participate in the N-O game of melodramatic one-upmanship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 The Daily Star article indicates that Pardew wants a bit more flexibility in the transfer policy. The expectation was that investing in youth would cover the gaps in the squad that arise when established first team members are injured or need resting. Trouble is, the general level of the Premiership now makes it difficult for young players to move straight from the reserves without seriously weakening the first team's results. Perhaps Pardew could have been a bit more patient with one or two of our youngsters, but it's a problem that affects most Premiership clubs now. They may now be looking for experienced players to fill out the squad and allow the youngsters to go out on loan to gain experience. What's more, I don't think we should be rigid about not taking on loan signings. Rose at Sunderland and Townsend at QPR show how they can work well. But get used to it, people, Pardew won't be sacked. It would make Ashley and Llambias look pretty stupid if they got rid of him so soon after all the talk of sticking with a manager through good times and bad. If it's a consolation, Pardew may therefore now be in a good position to ask for the flexibility in transfers that's needed. You only have to look at Aston Villa as an example! Their first team this season has been littered with youth. They will most likely survive by the skin of their teeth as it turns out. But Lambert sets them out to play a clear and defined brand of football. It may have taken them half a season to start getting results, but it shows that youngsters can do the job if the football is structured. Villa surviving with that first team is a monumental achievement compared to our miserable failure in merely surviving with ours. Fair point, but Villa are the exception rather than the rule, and like you say, they’ve struggled. I think Lambert is an exceptional manager. I tipped Villa to be this season’s surprise package, based purely on his management ability. I suppose he has got that team to over-achieve, albeit from a different base. He’s shown a lot of nerve and ability, though not having much choice but to rely on youth may ironically have helped. The other striking thing about the Villa experience is that their fans have stuck by the team, and I’m not sure our own supporters would have done the same, given the very recent memories of relegation and Ashley’s unpopularity. Judging from comments on here about Sammy and Ferguson, I have my doubts. The general opinion was to ship them out on loan rather than persist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I get that most people use football as their escape from the mundane realities of everyday life (the wife, the job, the kids, the realisation that they're now in their thirties and still not headed in any meaningful direction in life, etc.) but when the escapism you crave isn't provided for you by the team you've chosen to support (often the case for many on here) then why not reduce some of the emotional capital you're investing into something that is providing you with negative returns and find something else to take your mind off the those mundane realities? Golf, fishing, reading, cinema, knitting? Alternatively, you could continue to participate in the N-O game of melodramatic one-upmanship. 100 plus pages of "OMG OMG OMG has he been sacked yet" hysteria, and now two acerbically witty posts on one page. Things are looking up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I get that most people use football as their escape from the mundane realities of everyday life (the wife, the job, the kids, the realisation that they're now in their thirties and still not headed in any meaningful direction in life, etc.) but when the escapism you crave isn't provided for you by the team you've chosen to support (often the case for many on here) then why not reduce some of the emotional capital you're investing into something that is providing you with negative returns and find something else to take your mind off the those mundane realities? Golf, fishing, reading, cinema, knitting? Alternatively, you could continue to participate in the N-O game of melodramatic one-upmanship. Well said, sir. "OMG it hurts so much to support this club etc". Have a gargantuan word with yourselves ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 The other striking thing about the Villa experience is that their fans have stuck by the team, and I’m not sure our own supporters would have done the same, given the very recent memories of relegation and Ashley’s unpopularity. I think that is very true, our fans did stick with the team, but - and this is the important bit - the way supporters treat their side is in large part influenced by what went before. For example, I can say that last year under McFuck was the most unremittingly depressing, negative, shameful mess of a season. There's a reason we dropped almost 10k season ticket holders over one summer, too - lots of people saw it coming, and couldn't believe we'd set ourselves up for that. Given the grimness of the man who preceeded him, Lambert has had more support as manager than anyone I can ever remember - certainly for a manager who has us not safe with a week to go. Yes, the supporters buy into the side and there's a close bond between them, players and manager, but you can't ignore the effect of last season. The same thing goes for you. You had a great season last year, got lots and lots of plaudits (certainly, our fans were dripping with jealousy at the time), and signed some really exciting players. What you've been served up this season, by comparison, is effectively a plate of cold dog shit. You have every single right to be annoyed about it - as you've seen how last season went. You are comparing what happened last season and what has happened this, and the disparity is immense, so big that someone quite obviously has dropped a season long sequence of bollocks. I'm not surprised you want him out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 OMG CARE LESS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Why would anyone be so desperate to come on and tell people who care about something how much you don't care about it anymore? Who gives a fuck? Surprising attempt at taking the moral high ground from somebody who once went on Look North to plead for Hitzfeld to come and manage us. Maybe that's why he's so desperate to show how cool he is these days. Bit sad really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Stu's just WUMing as that's the only reason he comes onto the football board for nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I'm just flabbergasted so many people expected Pardew to get the sack after what Dekka came out with earlier in the season. Setting yourself up for major disappointment imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I'm just flabbergasted so many people expected Pardew to get the sack after what Dekka came out with earlier in the season. Setting yourself up for major disappointment imho. Aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Why would anyone be so desperate to come on and tell people who care about something how much you don't care about it anymore? Who gives a fuck? Surprising attempt at taking the moral high ground from somebody who once went on Look North to plead for Hitzfeld to come and manage us. Maybe that's why he's so desperate to show how cool he is these days. Bit sad really. He's not saying that, though, is he? Isn't more of retort to the whole 'woe is me, my life can't possibly go on' comments that we're subjected to an a daily basis? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Why would anyone be so desperate to come on and tell people who care about something how much you don't care about it anymore? Who gives a f***? Surprising attempt at taking the moral high ground from somebody who once went on Look North to plead for Hitzfeld to come and manage us. Maybe that's why he's so desperate to show how cool he is these days. Bit sad really. He's not saying that, though, is he? Isn't more of retort to the whole 'woe is me, my life can't possibly go on' comments that we're subjected to an a daily basis? You make it sound like you're forced to come in here and read! Poor you He loves it lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I can see where they're coming from like, some of it's a bit emo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Why would anyone be so desperate to come on and tell people who care about something how much you don't care about it anymore? Who gives a fuck? Surprising attempt at taking the moral high ground from somebody who once went on Look North to plead for Hitzfeld to come and manage us. Maybe that's why he's so desperate to show how cool he is these days. Bit sad really. He's not saying that, though, is he? Isn't more of retort to the whole 'woe is me, my life can't possibly go on' comments that we're subjected to an a daily basis? You make it sound like you're forced to come in here and read! Poor you #bantz #ledge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 OMG CARE LESS The way people are carrying on is ridiculous man. It's about getting some perspective in your life. If you're really this bothered about football, you need a year away from it. If you're not that bothered, then stop pretending you are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Jerusalem Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 He's not saying that, though, is he? Isn't more of retort to the whole 'woe is me, my life can't possibly go on' comments that we're subjected to an a daily basis? I'd put it down to people being a bit more emotional towards the club than others. At least they're not just some part-time posters who have just come back again after everything has turned out OK to try and wind people up. I've not agreed with much that you've said in the various threads but at least you have been present battling in your corner and at least arguing your case, not just turning up to belittle people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Moody Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/staying-up-is-an-achievement-in-itself-claims-pardew-1-5664670 By MILES STARFORTH Published on 14/05/2013 09:00 ALAN Pardew’s adamant staying in the Premier League was an achievement in itself for Newcastle United – despite pre-season hopes of a top-four spot. Pardew’s aim last summer was to again challenge for a Champions League place after last year’s fifth-placed finish. But the club started the campaign with a squad ill-equipped for the demands of the Europa League. After Pardew’s squad was decimated by a series of injuries, Newcastle were left battling relegation. The club finally secured its Premier League status with a 2-1 win over Queens Park Rangers at Loftus Road on Sunday. It is understood that Pardew – who has come under increasing criticism from supporters in recent weeks – has been given assurances that his job is safe, though there will be a post-season inquest into what has been a dreadful domestic season. “Our season has been difficult, but we’ve come through it,” Pardew told the Gazette. “And I don’t care what anybody says, getting over the line with some of the misfortune we’ve had is an achievement. “We’ve had three cruciate injuries (Ryan Taylor twice and Haris Vuckic) – no other club has had that. “We missed key players at QPR – (Moussa) Sissoko, Shola Ameobi, Tim Krul and Davide Santon. “All year we’ve had that, but we still got over the line. That’s the main thing.” United’s end their season on Sunday with a home game against Arsenal, and Pardew’s just relieved the club’s fans will head to the game safe in the knowledge they will be watching Premier League football next season. The club could even end the season in 10th place if they beat Arsene Wenger’s side, who face Sunderland’s relegation rivals Wigan Athletic at the Emirates Stadium tonight. “Our fans can turn up and enjoy it,” he said. “I hope they come in fancy dress and enjoy it. “Regardless of the score, thank God we’re here next year in the greatest league in the world.” Twitter: @shieldsgazsport Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Might be a Giggs, but assuming Wigan go down, he would start the season as the 3rd longest serving manager in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Top stability that is recipe for success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 A lot of people invest heavily in the club, season tickets, merchandise, etc.. It's fair for them to be upset with what they have seen on the pitch. It really pisses me off the way things are with Pardew and all but I do have a life and a family. That doesn't mean I can't come on here and vent about some useless prick destroying the team I love. Saves me kicking the dog once a week! See if Moyes takes Manyoo in a similar direction to where Pardew has us right now? Then go check their message boards, I can guarantee anything on here will pale in comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Why would anyone be so desperate to come on and tell people who care about something how much you don't care about it anymore? Who gives a fuck? Surprising attempt at taking the moral high ground from somebody who once went on Look North to plead for Hitzfeld to come and manage us. Maybe that's why he's so desperate to show how cool he is these days. Bit sad really. The Hitzfeld campaign was a far cry from these Pardew threads. We (the general N-O folk) weren't happy at the thought of getting another Souness type charlatan but instead of sitting on here every day and crying about it, some of the folk (led by the admin) actually did something proactive, rather than sit on our hands for FFS to make his next mistake. I'm not sure what being "cool" has to do with any of this - it's a football forum filled with many middle aged blokes like yourself. Hardly the core audience of cool. Presumably your post* was an attempt to counter-WUM because you've lazily attributed my comment to WUMmery (© Interpolic, Billytray). Top bombing *seeing as how you've misread the point I made and portrayed it as something completely different Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Relatively speaking, he has performed far worse than Mancini and he got the sack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Might be a Giggs, but assuming Wigan go down, he would start the season as the 3rd longest serving manager in the league. could be 2nd tbh could see Stoke and Pulis parting ways Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 There is one thing Pardew managed to achieve. Lowered expectation. Significantly. Fucking dodgy salesman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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