Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Stats mean very little on their own; nobody at all watching us this season can genuinely believe we are a cohesive attacking unit. Yeah, you can prove anything with facts can't you Stats account for very little. But when someone says "we create very little" and the facts show we create more chances than 13 other teams then the stats show that person is wrong. Not if they're shots that are never going to amount to much. Like all those long range one's. What are our shots on target stats compared to others in the league? You're not defending the team or how we play here, you're just defending your own stance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I've noticed that, i asked him about our style of play and the free kick hoofs. Maybe this will jog his memory. Aye, dodging question all over aren't I. There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument. I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight. His set piece record is atrocious. But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces? We don't necessarily have to rely on them. Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's shit at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager? That was the point of choosing Arsenal. We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create. Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise. I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals. We have more shots on goal than any other club outside the top 7. We have more shots on target than any other club outside the top 7. Our conversion rate is the second worst in the league. Nearly half our shots were from outside the box, how does that compare to other PL sides? edit: wow, 55%, more than half We're on 50% Spurs are on 55% ....but we take more shots than the other teams. Look at the breakdown of shoits inside and outside the box in terms of numbers rather than percentages and we're by no means the worst. We've had 263 shots from inside the box this season. More than 7 per game. More than 8 other teams. All from our own box as we're pegged back according to some on here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Stats mean very little on their own; nobody at all watching us this season can genuinely believe we are a cohesive attacking unit. Yeah, you can prove anything with facts can't you Stats account for very little. But when someone says "we create very little" and the facts show we create more chances than 13 other teams then the stats show that person is wrong. Did you use some figures that included long range shots? So all of Tiote's attempts at shooting count as a chance created? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I've noticed that, i asked him about our style of play and the free kick hoofs. Maybe this will jog his memory. Aye, dodging question all over aren't I. There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument. I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight. His set piece record is atrocious. But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces? We don't necessarily have to rely on them. Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's shit at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager? That was the point of choosing Arsenal. We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create. Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise. I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals. We have more shots on goal than any other club outside the top 7. We have more shots on target than any other club outside the top 7. Our conversion rate is the second worst in the league. Nearly half our shots were from outside the box, how does that compare to other PL sides? edit: wow, 55%, more than half We're on 50% Spurs are on 55% ....but we take more shots than the other teams. Look at the breakdown of shoits inside and outside the box in terms of numbers rather than percentages and we're by no means the worst. We've had 263 shots from inside the box this season. More than 7 per game. More than 8 other teams. All from our own box as we're pegged back according to some on here It's bullshit though isn't it, an aimless cross can lead to a deflection and an off balance shot borne out of frustration. We don't create chances based on getting a striker in a bit of space and with a bit of time to get a shot away. It happens, in the same way that sometimes football sporadically breaks out despite the lack of movement, but that doesn't mean we are a team that creates many chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Genuine question, but are those shots/chances just half chances, ie a ball has fallen to a player and they've just hit it? Because as a team, in terms of passing the ball up the pitch/playing through balls to our forward players, overlapping runs etc we create fuck all. Our team is static as fuck, and no one ever moves for anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I obviously hope we win, but a third successive beating at home may just be enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I honestly can't believe that anyone who watched every single NUFC game this season from start to finish could possibly want Pardew to remain in a job. I watched every game last season and the only time I wanted him in the job was during the 6-league game wins in a row and the summer period following the season. My feelings weren't anything to do with his character, the manner of his appointment or any of that, it was to do with the poor football we produced and the over reliance on ridiculous scoring records from both Cisse and Ba whilst playing very defensively. This season, the football has somehow managed to be a lot worse even though last season was poor and there is a limit to how badly you can play before your results start to match your performances. This man stays in the job next season and we're absolutely fucked, on top of that, I'm sure the majority of our more talented players must be thinking 'what the fuck kind of team are we? We don't seem to have any shape or style, apart from not committing people forward, everyone has to put a tackle in and run around a fair bit. I can't remember a season where the quality of our football has been this appalling the whole way through. I'm just hoping beyond hope that he goes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I've noticed that, i asked him about our style of play and the free kick hoofs. Maybe this will jog his memory. Aye, dodging question all over aren't I. There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument. I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight. His set piece record is atrocious. But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces? We don't necessarily have to rely on them. Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's s*** at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager? That was the point of choosing Arsenal. We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create. Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise. I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals. We have more shots on goal than any other club outside the top 7. We have more shots on target than any other club outside the top 7. Our conversion rate is the second worst in the league. Nearly half our shots were from outside the box, how does that compare to other PL sides? edit: wow, 55%, more than half We're on 50% Spurs are on 55% ....but we take more shots than the other teams. Look at the breakdown of shoits inside and outside the box in terms of numbers rather than percentages and we're by no means the worst. We've had 263 shots from inside the box this season. More than 7 per game. More than 8 other teams. All from our own box as we're pegged back according to some on here You are either drunk while watching us play or you simply watch a couple of games and trying to be a smart alex. We have being peg back in most games this season, we nick goals which explain why we rarely win by more than 2 goals. Can't take you for real when everything you analyse doesn't reflect the state of our games. Even those who support Pardew might not agree with the rubbish you speak. More chances than other teams?? Have you actually been watching the rest of the league. If you were aware of how the other teams being playing this season, you wouldn't be serving all this dross. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I've noticed that, i asked him about our style of play and the free kick hoofs. Maybe this will jog his memory. Aye, dodging question all over aren't I. There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument. I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight. His set piece record is atrocious. But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces? We don't necessarily have to rely on them. Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's s*** at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager? That was the point of choosing Arsenal. We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create. Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise. I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals. We have more shots on goal than any other club outside the top 7. We have more shots on target than any other club outside the top 7. Our conversion rate is the second worst in the league. Nearly half our shots were from outside the box, how does that compare to other PL sides? edit: wow, 55%, more than half We're on 50% Spurs are on 55% ....but we take more shots than the other teams. Look at the breakdown of shoits inside and outside the box in terms of numbers rather than percentages and we're by no means the worst. We've had 263 shots from inside the box this season. More than 7 per game. More than 8 other teams. All from our own box as we're pegged back according to some on here You are either drunk while watching us play or you simply watch a couple of games and trying to be a smart alex. We have being peg back in most games this season, we nick goals which explain why we rarely win by more than 2 goals. Can't take you for real when everything you analyse doesn't reflect the state of our games. Even those who support Pardew might not agree with the rubbish you speak. More chances than other teams?? Have you actually been watching the rest of the league. If you were aware of how the other teams being playing this season, you wouldn't be serving all this dross. ignore hf he's a wum who i guess have not seen a single 90mins match and watches motd drunk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 The worst of news. Guaranteed another struggle with that idiot in charge. We're depressed. Can you imagine the Frenchies ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 it gets worse... listen to him Newcastle's indifferent form due to 'misfortune' says Alan Pardew Alan Pardew has put Newcastle United's indifferent form this season down to "misfortune", with the manager insistent that his team should be praised for avoiding relegation from the Premier League. Newcastle's safety was secured on Sunday with a 2-1 win at Queens Park Rangers. There have been rumblings of discontent around St James' Park, though, that Pardew's men ended up in a fight for survival at all. The manager believes special circumstances contributed to that scenario. "Our season has been difficult, but we have come through it," Pardew said. "I don't care what anybody says, getting over the line with some of the misfortune we have had is an achievement. "We have had three cruciate injuries and no other club has had that. We missed key players at QPR – Sissoko, Shola Ameobi, Tim Krul and Davide Santon. "All year we have had that, but we still got over the line. That is the main thing." Pardew's position is not believed to be under threat but the 51-year-old will hold scheduled talks with the Newcastle owner Mike Ashley next week. Recruitment plans for next season will feature prominently on the agenda as will the futures of existing Newcastle players; Yohan Cabaye, Hatem Ben Arfa and Fabricio Coloccini have all been heavily linked with moves away from the north-east. Before his meeting with Ashley, Pardew takes Newcastle into their final game of the season, against Arsenal. Pardew has backpedalled after claiming that he would not care if Newcastle lost that game 4-0. "Our fans can turn up and enjoy it," Pardew added. "I hope they come in fancy dress and enjoy it. Regardless of the score, thank God we are here next year in the greatest league in the world. "I know people will have picked up on my comments about not caring about the result against Arsenal, which were, of course, meant as a joke." http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/14/alan-pardew-newcastle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Small club mentality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Hes a total soccer skank Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Stats mean very little on their own; nobody at all watching us this season can genuinely believe we are a cohesive attacking unit. Yeah, you can prove anything with facts can't you Stats account for very little. But when someone says "we create very little" and the facts show we create more chances than 13 other teams then the stats show that person is wrong. I would keep the smugness until you've actually made a coherent point tbh. Shots at goal/on target does not equate to actual chances created and certainly isn't a good barometer on it's own of how cohesive an attacking unit is. All it tells us is how many times one of our players has struck the ball with the intention of scoring a goal and how many of those shots were actually going towards said target. Now honestly I don't know or care how many genuine chances we create on average compared to other teams in the league, all I do know from seeing us play is that it isn't enough for us, and the mere fact that you are trying to debate this as a plus point of Pardew's management speaks volumes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Underpants Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I want to hit him. Right in the face. Twice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Regarding Shola as a "key player" Still running on about "over the line" "Regardless of the score" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I've noticed that, i asked him about our style of play and the free kick hoofs. Maybe this will jog his memory. Aye, dodging question all over aren't I. There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument. I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight. His set piece record is atrocious. But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces? We don't necessarily have to rely on them. Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's s*** at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager? That was the point of choosing Arsenal. We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create. Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise. I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals. We have more shots on goal than any other club outside the top 7. We have more shots on target than any other club outside the top 7. Our conversion rate is the second worst in the league. Nearly half our shots were from outside the box, how does that compare to other PL sides? edit: wow, 55%, more than half We're on 50% Spurs are on 55% ....but we take more shots than the other teams. Look at the breakdown of shoits inside and outside the box in terms of numbers rather than percentages and we're by no means the worst. We've had 263 shots from inside the box this season. More than 7 per game. More than 8 other teams. All from our own box as we're pegged back according to some on here You are either drunk while watching us play or you simply watch a couple of games and trying to be a smart alex. We have being peg back in most games this season, we nick goals which explain why we rarely win by more than 2 goals. Can't take you for real when everything you analyse doesn't reflect the state of our games. Even those who support Pardew might not agree with the rubbish you speak. More chances than other teams?? Have you actually been watching the rest of the league. If you were aware of how the other teams being playing this season, you wouldn't be serving all this dross. ignore hf he's a wum who i guess have not seen a single 90mins match and watches motd drunk. He'll be devastated by this grammatically-mangled put-down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I've noticed that, i asked him about our style of play and the free kick hoofs. Maybe this will jog his memory. Aye, dodging question all over aren't I. There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument. I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight. His set piece record is atrocious. But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces? We don't necessarily have to rely on them. Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's s*** at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager? That was the point of choosing Arsenal. We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create. Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise. I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals. We have more shots on goal than any other club outside the top 7. We have more shots on target than any other club outside the top 7. Our conversion rate is the second worst in the league. Nearly half our shots were from outside the box, how does that compare to other PL sides? edit: wow, 55%, more than half We're on 50% Spurs are on 55% ....but we take more shots than the other teams. Look at the breakdown of shoits inside and outside the box in terms of numbers rather than percentages and we're by no means the worst. We've had 263 shots from inside the box this season. More than 7 per game. More than 8 other teams. All from our own box as we're pegged back according to some on here You are either drunk while watching us play or you simply watch a couple of games and trying to be a smart alex. We have being peg back in most games this season, we nick goals which explain why we rarely win by more than 2 goals. Can't take you for real when everything you analyse doesn't reflect the state of our games. Even those who support Pardew might not agree with the rubbish you speak. More chances than other teams?? Have you actually been watching the rest of the league. If you were aware of how the other teams being playing this season, you wouldn't be serving all this dross. ignore hf he's a wum who i guess have not seen a single 90mins match and watches motd drunk. He'll be devastated by this grammatically-mangled put-down. Why do you care then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Its fine supporting Pardew with valid reasons , personally doubt he could relegate us next season as well. Although the same could be said for this season, Pardew actually exceeded my expectations and brought us pretty close. My concerns has always been the performances which doesn't look sustainable in picking up points, the other more recent concerns is that Pardew out of his dept...by a far margin and because our performances are getting worse. (Many others exp. Mismatch in Players and Style etc.) I will get behind the team even if Pardew stays, but i won't be supporting him for the sake of supporting the team. Fix the priority of the problem the "Style and the players do not match". Either we start buying players that suits a more aggressive/direct style or We change the manager I have gone beyond the point where i think Pardew can suddenly become continental and craft Carpet football. No signs of that is encouraging that transformation. Solve the issues we have , its not just injuries and bad luck, we just have not been good enough on the field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 How did you expect us to do this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I've noticed that, i asked him about our style of play and the free kick hoofs. Maybe this will jog his memory. Aye, dodging question all over aren't I. There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument. I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight. His set piece record is atrocious. But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces? We don't necessarily have to rely on them. Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's s*** at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager? That was the point of choosing Arsenal. We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create. Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise. I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals. We have more shots on goal than any other club outside the top 7. We have more shots on target than any other club outside the top 7. Our conversion rate is the second worst in the league. Nearly half our shots were from outside the box, how does that compare to other PL sides? edit: wow, 55%, more than half We're on 50% Spurs are on 55% ....but we take more shots than the other teams. Look at the breakdown of shoits inside and outside the box in terms of numbers rather than percentages and we're by no means the worst. We've had 263 shots from inside the box this season. More than 7 per game. More than 8 other teams. All from our own box as we're pegged back according to some on here You are either drunk while watching us play or you simply watch a couple of games and trying to be a smart alex. We have being peg back in most games this season, we nick goals which explain why we rarely win by more than 2 goals. Can't take you for real when everything you analyse doesn't reflect the state of our games. Even those who support Pardew might not agree with the rubbish you speak. More chances than other teams?? Have you actually been watching the rest of the league. If you were aware of how the other teams being playing this season, you wouldn't be serving all this dross. ignore hf he's a wum who i guess have not seen a single 90mins match and watches motd drunk. He'll be devastated by this grammatically-mangled put-down. Why do you care then? Cos I'm a great bloke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 10th to 17th base on the performances we are putting out, alot would also depend on HBA and Colo been available. I don't think HBA is a world beater but he has been the difference in alot of our games. I would be very worried if we lost both Colo and HBA for next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Clearly when Colo and HBA being out of this team, we been leaking goals and we have been static in attack. These two players dramatically changes the landscape in our chances next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 After that multi-million pound January window he still claims narrowly avoiding relegation is an achievement It reminds me of Bez when he thought that everyone at Southampton was pathetic for celebrating not getting relegated...and it truly is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I've noticed that, i asked him about our style of play and the free kick hoofs. Maybe this will jog his memory. Aye, dodging question all over aren't I. There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument. I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight. His set piece record is atrocious. But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces? We don't necessarily have to rely on them. Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's s*** at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager? That was the point of choosing Arsenal. We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create. Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise. I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals. We have more shots on goal than any other club outside the top 7. We have more shots on target than any other club outside the top 7. Our conversion rate is the second worst in the league. Nearly half our shots were from outside the box, how does that compare to other PL sides? edit: wow, 55%, more than half We're on 50% Spurs are on 55% ....but we take more shots than the other teams. Look at the breakdown of shoits inside and outside the box in terms of numbers rather than percentages and we're by no means the worst. We've had 263 shots from inside the box this season. More than 7 per game. More than 8 other teams. All from our own box as we're pegged back according to some on here You are either drunk while watching us play or you simply watch a couple of games and trying to be a smart alex. We have being peg back in most games this season, we nick goals which explain why we rarely win by more than 2 goals. Can't take you for real when everything you analyse doesn't reflect the state of our games. Even those who support Pardew might not agree with the rubbish you speak. More chances than other teams?? Have you actually been watching the rest of the league. If you were aware of how the other teams being playing this season, you wouldn't be serving all this dross. ignore hf he's a wum who i guess have not seen a single 90mins match and watches motd drunk. He'll be devastated by this grammatically-mangled put-down. There's that excellent, really funny piss taking again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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