Guest bimpy474 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Yeah alright, and i'm married to Wonder Woman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Yeah alright, and i'm married to Wonder Woman. Wow, I thought you were yet to propose? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Yeah alright, and i'm married to Wonder Woman. Wow, I thought you were yet to propose? Bought her a car today. Anyway stop reminding me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Yeah alright, and i'm married to Wonder Woman. It's a fact. We've relied less on long balls as the season has gone on. Whether Pardew has the ability to have his team pass it and move around our opponents effectively is another matter. But those that don't like hoofball should give credit the change in approach, rather than blindly repeat that we're still as bad as we were in September for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I still don't get what HF is on about. He's saying the stats show that Pards isn't as bad as we make out he is. I'm saying we can surely dig a little deeper than JUST that "He's s***" Pardew is still pummelled for favouring hoof ball. Despite us generally not actually resorting to it until late on in games. I say that's the poorer players last line of defence. Not Pardews "vision". Even if you think we have played hoofball all game every game, I think that's become less valid as the season has worn on. We are MUCH less reliant upon it. But complaints about it have kept rising because lazy people criticise our perceived problems rather than the actual ones. People have said he's shit but they have backed up such statements as to why he's shit. They have dug deeper, lots and lots of times. Give this thread and numerous others a full read. You throwing in stats and more stats is merely you trying to kid yourself, nothing more. For what reason only you know given you have already said he's fucking shit anyway, of course in more words than that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Not sure DCI Mick and the rest of the patter police even read that post. I'm out. Sorry, you're right as I was on my way out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Yeah alright, and i'm married to Wonder Woman. It's a fact. We've relied less on long balls as the season has gone on. Whether Pardew has the ability to have his team pass it and move around our opponents effectively is another matter. But those that don't like hoofball should give credit the change in approach, rather than blindly repeat that we're still as bad as we were in September for it. It's not really the long balls anyway, it's the chronic lack of movement and inter play. We are lack any cohesion at all. You can quote all the stats you like, i judge the games with my eyes, and we are a poor team, who concede for fun, don't score enough goals. And have been damn lucky to stay up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I'm saying we can surely dig a little deeper than JUST that "He's s***" Pardew is still pummelled for favouring hoof ball. Despite us generally not actually resorting to it until late on in games. I say that's the poorer players last line of defence. Not Pardews "vision". Even if you think we have played hoofball all game every game, I think that's become less valid as the season has worn on. We are MUCH less reliant upon it. But complaints about it have kept rising because lazy people criticise our perceived problems rather than the actual ones. He is shite though, my eyes tell me the football we play is shite and that IS down to the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 It's a fact. We've relied less on long balls as the season has gone on. Whether Pardew has the ability to have his team pass it and move around our opponents effectively is another matter. But those that don't like hoofball should give credit the change in approach, rather than blindly repeat that we're still as bad as we were in September for it. There hasn't been a huge shift in approach and if anything we actually played less long ball football leading up to January than we did after January. Against Man Utd and Arsenal for example, for long spells our football was good, very good. That short shift in approach mainly coincided with the Jan arrivals anyway, but once the dust had settled so to speak, the long ball soon reappeared to the point where we used it a lot, even in Europe. Our football hasn't really improved at all, if anything its worse given the higher calibre of players/more options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I still don't get what HF is on about. He's saying the stats show that Pards isn't as bad as we make out he is. I'm saying we can surely dig a little deeper than JUST that "He's shit" Pardew is still pummelled for favouring hoof ball. Despite us generally not actually resorting to it until late on in games. I say that's the poorer players last line of defence. Not Pardews "vision". Even if you think we have played hoofball all game every game, I think that's become less valid as the season has worn on. We are MUCH less reliant upon it. But complaints about it have kept rising because lazy people criticise our perceived problems rather than the actual ones. History shows us that stats supporting a largely minority view are routinely disregarded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 It's a fact. We've relied less on long balls as the season has gone on. Whether Pardew has the ability to have his team pass it and move around our opponents effectively is another matter. But those that don't like hoofball should give credit the change in approach, rather than blindly repeat that we're still as bad as we were in September for it. There hasn't been a huge shift in approach and if anything we actually played less long ball football leading up to January than we did after January. Against Man Utd and Arsenal for example, for long spells our football was good, very good. That short shift in approach mainly coincided with the Jan arrivals anyway, but once the dust had settled so to speak, the long ball soon reappeared to the point where we used it a lot, even in Europe. Our football hasn't really improved at all, if anything its worse given the higher calibre of players/more options. http://i41.tinypic.com/2z8c09f.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 It's a fact. We've relied less on long balls as the season has gone on. Whether Pardew has the ability to have his team pass it and move around our opponents effectively is another matter. But those that don't like hoofball should give credit the change in approach, rather than blindly repeat that we're still as bad as we were in September for it. There hasn't been a huge shift in approach and if anything we actually played less long ball football leading up to January than we did after January. Against Man Utd and Arsenal for example, for long spells our football was good, very good. That short shift in approach mainly coincided with the Jan arrivals anyway, but once the dust had settled so to speak, the long ball soon reappeared to the point where we used it a lot, even in Europe. Our football hasn't really improved at all, if anything its worse given the higher calibre of players/more options. http://i41.tinypic.com/2z8c09f.jpg What in fucks name is that? Woeful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Got any stats that dispels our chronic lack of organisation and movement? Or you going to tell us that doesn't happen either? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 That looks entirely made up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Photoshopped!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 That looks entirely made up. pick a game at random. Click "match report" here.... http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/23/Fixtures/England-Newcastle-United Observe the breakdown of pass types and tell me if I falsified any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Bustin' out the graphs, like a G. The very thought of the effort makes my scrotum cringe, but fair play to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 http://i41.tinypic.com/2re6x09.jpg There's the numbers. So, tell me how Pardew isn't doing anything to reduce our reliance on long balls if we've avearged 20 less in the last third of the season compared to the first 3rd? Fucking stats. Shit Mean nowt. I see us hoof it with me eyes man, I trust them more. Bollocks, you've a pavlovian response to any long balls. Every one sticks like a craw in your neck and you're blinded to the actual real improvements being strived for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 That looks entirely made up. pick a game at random. Click "match report" here.... http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/23/Fixtures/England-Newcastle-United Observe the breakdown of pass types and tell me if I falsified any. How do you know that site is accurate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 That looks entirely made up. pick a game at random. Click "match report" here.... http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/23/Fixtures/England-Newcastle-United Observe the breakdown of pass types and tell me if I falsified any. How do you know that site is accurate? Jesus Wept. Aye, they're Pardew lovers there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 This mode of debate is too 'new fangled'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 That looks entirely made up. pick a game at random. Click "match report" here.... http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/23/Fixtures/England-Newcastle-United Observe the breakdown of pass types and tell me if I falsified any. How do you know that site is accurate? Obviously it's more accurate than your eyes and judgement of watching us over the years Mick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 It's a fact. We've relied less on long balls as the season has gone on. Whether Pardew has the ability to have his team pass it and move around our opponents effectively is another matter. But those that don't like hoofball should give credit the change in approach, rather than blindly repeat that we're still as bad as we were in September for it. There hasn't been a huge shift in approach and if anything we actually played less long ball football leading up to January than we did after January. Against Man Utd and Arsenal for example, for long spells our football was good, very good. That short shift in approach mainly coincided with the Jan arrivals anyway, but once the dust had settled so to speak, the long ball soon reappeared to the point where we used it a lot, even in Europe. Our football hasn't really improved at all, if anything its worse given the higher calibre of players/more options. http://i41.tinypic.com/2z8c09f.jpg Stop posting facts man, they get well in the way of popular opinion. There's a good boy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Again open to vast interpretation. A pin point 40 yard diagonal is by definition a "long ball". In the same way a long hopeful punt up to Cisse is a "long ball". This reliance on stats is ludicrous, people have watched it with their own eyes. Also "improvements" :lol: so we cut it back a bit. I should think so considering we threw five players in the mix. You've basically posted what I mockingly said the response would be. Not sure if it's serious. If we've averaged less than 55 long balls per game for the last 3 months, that is one of the lowest in the league man, irrespective of whether they're pinpoint or wild hoofs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 As far as the whoscored long ball stats, if you look at the same for Stoke you'll see a very similar percentage of short passing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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