Alan Pardew

[sempuki]

His test will be when Jonas is fit.

[Guest bimpy474]

Something is wrong with Pardews thinking, when if we get an injury or two, which we will as every team does. Rather than stay 4-3-3, he will almost definitely change to a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-4-2 system to cope with them imo (hope he doesn't).

 

The squad is better playing 4-3-3, why not just place a player possibly not as suited to a position in a 4-3-3, say such as Jonas (hear me out) wide left of the front 3 as an example. And keep the system most of the squad are suited too and more comfortable with, Rather than go to a system that nearly all the squad are very poor in.

 

I'd rather see a player or two slightly out of position covering injuries, than a whole team struggling. Anyway imo we have cover in a 4-3-3, Gouffran for any of the front 3 positions, Sammy/Obertan for both wide positions up front. Tiote/Marv/Jonas/Gosling/Bigi/Haris while not great cover the central midfield 3. Shola (haha) covering Cisse down the middle. I dont get changing the system because of a couple of injuries.

 

And tbh why we haven't been using 4-3-3 for so long either, there's simply isn't an excuse for not using it for over a season until now when you look at the players Pardew has.

[Tiresias]

Something is wrong with Pardews thinking, when if we get an injury or two, which we will as every team does. Rather than stay 4-3-3, he will almost definitely change to a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-4-2 system to cope with them imo (hope he doesn't).

 

The squad is better playing 4-3-3, why not just place a player possibly not as suited to a position in a 4-3-3, say such as Jonas (hear me out) wide left of the front 3 as an example. And keep the system most of the squad are suited too and more comfortable with, Rather than go to a system that nearly all the squad are very poor in.

 

I'd rather see a player or two slightly out of position covering injuries, than a whole team struggling. Anyway imo we have cover in a 4-3-3, Gouffran for any of the front 3 positions, Sammy/Obertan for both wide positions up front. Tiote/Marv/Jonas/Gosling/Bigi/Haris while not great cover the central midfield 3. Shola (haha) covering Cisse down the middle. I dont get changing the system because of a couple of injuries.

 

And tbh why we haven't been using 4-3-3 for so long either, there's simply isn't an excuse for not using it for over a season until now when you look at the players Pardew has.

 

Yep his comments about not being able to put out an attacking side since Ba left (like we played well first half of that season lol) really reveal his problem, he's too scared of losing that the only way he'll take the handbrake off our team is if literally everyone is fit. Admitably with some injuries we are blunt but he doesn't even consider that setting us up more attacking gives us opportunities, to Pardew if his players aren't on the pitch it's all hands in defence better hope for a point.

 

It's nice to see even so after all this time that Pardew can even take the handbrake off and let us play, and the players remember how. Hopefully it won't be kneejerked back on anytime soon.

[Guest bimpy474]

Something is wrong with Pardews thinking, when if we get an injury or two, which we will as every team does. Rather than stay 4-3-3, he will almost definitely change to a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-4-2 system to cope with them imo (hope he doesn't).

 

The squad is better playing 4-3-3, why not just place a player possibly not as suited to a position in a 4-3-3, say such as Jonas (hear me out) wide left of the front 3 as an example. And keep the system most of the squad are suited too and more comfortable with, Rather than go to a system that nearly all the squad are very poor in.

 

I'd rather see a player or two slightly out of position covering injuries, than a whole team struggling. Anyway imo we have cover in a 4-3-3, Gouffran for any of the front 3 positions, Sammy/Obertan for both wide positions up front. Tiote/Marv/Jonas/Gosling/Bigi/Haris while not great cover the central midfield 3. Shola (haha) covering Cisse down the middle. I dont get changing the system because of a couple of injuries.

 

And tbh why we haven't been using 4-3-3 for so long either, there's simply isn't an excuse for not using it for over a season until now when you look at the players Pardew has.

 

Yep his comments about not being able to put out an attacking side since Ba left (like we played well first half of that season lol) really reveal his problem, he's too scared of losing that the only way he'll take the handbrake off our team is if literally everyone is fit. Admitably with some injuries we are blunt but he doesn't even consider that setting us up more attacking gives us opportunities, to Pardew if his players aren't on the pitch it's all hands in defence better hope for a point.

 

It's nice to see even so after all this time that Pardew can even take the handbrake off and let us play, and the players remember how. Hopefully it won't be kneejerked back on anytime soon.

 

I'll tell you i'm encouraged about the overall passing being much shorter, but i was very encouraged by the subs, something he has been asbolutely awful with. He got them spot on, Tiote to add a bit in the middle, Gouffran obviously filled the Remy position comfortably but it was the Sammy sub. It was imo a clear sub at trying to catch Villa on the break as they pushed forward.

 

Something he would have been shit scared to do normally, he usually trys to defend a lead but he didn't which was good, we slightly sat back with Tiote on but in a counter attacking stance which i thought was excellent management.

 

That being said, for me it's now keeping it up, and not overreacting to a defeat. I'm hoping he keeps this unexpected brave streak for him up.

[Tiresias]

I think he'll do ok if we get some momentum and the threat of relegation shrinks away (some time away still), part of the reason we did so well season before last was we basically felt pretty safe early on in the second half of the season (check out the points graph immediately after we hit 40 points, we shoot up and up) and the team just started enjoying themselves. Pardew I still maintain is a decent man manager and keeps the squad onside. With momentum Pardew's fear of losing recedes and he becomes an acceptable manager. His problem is he can't get us out of bad times at all as he just gets too scared to set us up to win games.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I think he'll do ok if we get some momentum and the threat of relegation shrinks away (some time away still), part of the reason we did so well season before last was we basically felt pretty safe early on in the second half of the season (check out the points graph immediately after we hit 40 points, we shoot up and up) and the team just started enjoying themselves. Pardew I still maintain is a decent man manager and keeps the squad onside. With momentum Pardew's fear of losing recedes and he becomes an acceptable manager. His problem is he can't get us out of bad times at all as he just gets too scared to set us up to win games.

 

Yep, basically what I've been saying all along. He's capable of sustaining a positive run but for some reason he's overly affected when things are going the other way.

[Mick]

You can tell a manager is shit when he gets high praise for picking an obvious starting 11.

[colinmk]

I think he'll do ok if we get some momentum and the threat of relegation shrinks away (some time away still), part of the reason we did so well season before last was we basically felt pretty safe early on in the second half of the season (check out the points graph immediately after we hit 40 points, we shoot up and up) and the team just started enjoying themselves. Pardew I still maintain is a decent man manager and keeps the squad onside. With momentum Pardew's fear of losing recedes and he becomes an acceptable manager. His problem is he can't get us out of bad times at all as he just gets too scared to set us up to win games.

 

Yep, basically what I've been saying all along. He's capable of sustaining a positive run but for some reason he's overly affected when things are going the other way.

 

I know the reason. 

 

[Tiresias]

You can tell a manager is s*** when he gets high praise for picking an obvious starting 11.

 

this so much this 

 

It occurs to me that Kinnear is a massively cunning plan by Ashley to get fans behind Pardew for fear of Kinnear taking over and to divert any toxic feeling away from the players / manager

 

Of course that is waaaaay too benevolent / machiavellian  :lol:

[quayside]

You can tell a manager is s*** when he gets high praise for picking an obvious starting 11.

 

I know you aren't a fan of Pardew and never have been    I think there have been suggestions on here (maybe not from you) that his ineptitude had squashed or killed the ability in the players he has at his disposal. I think yesterday showed that, for the most part, they can still play, and whatever he did allowed them to play in a way that suits their talents. And fwiw I thought we never stoped trying to win the game rather than attempt to play it out for a draw (which away at Villa is a result most would take tbh). I'd concede that the season has barely started and we didn't have Cabaye or Remy available early on -  but we've played 4 games so far and surely you would agree that (from a horrible start admittedly) we've got better each time. Maybe he should at least get some small amount of credit for that?

 

 

[TRon]

He didn't bring Taylor back, he didn't bring Tiote back. Some credit for that.

 

He'd get more credit for it if he picked the right side in the first place instead of stumbling on it through injuries. Pretty much the same thing happened two seasons ago when we finished 5th.

[TRon]

You can tell a manager is s*** when he gets high praise for picking an obvious starting 11.

 

I know you aren't a fan of Pardew and never have been    I think there have been suggestions on here (maybe not from you) that his ineptitude had squashed or killed the ability in the players he has at his disposal. I think yesterday showed that, for the most part, they can still play, and whatever he did allowed them to play in a way that suits their talents. And fwiw I thought we never stoped trying to win the game rather than attempt to play it out for a draw (which away at Villa is a result most would take tbh). I'd concede that the season has barely started and we didn't have Cabaye or Remy available early on -  but we've played 4 games so far and surely you would agree that (from a horrible start admittedly) we've got better each time. Maybe he should at least get some small amount of credit for that?

 

 

 

Personally I enjoyed the game against Fulham more because we really passed it around and controlled possession like the best teams do, but obviously we didn't have the attacking menace that we had yesterday with Remy in the starting line up.

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

Who's fault is it when things go wrong? Pardew's.

 

 

Who's fault is it when things go right? Chance!

 

[Interpolic]

We were also playing against a team that wanted to try to win the game, which wasn't the case against Fulham.

[Interpolic]

Who's fault is it when things go wrong? Pardew's.

 

 

Who's fault is it when things go right? Chance!

 

 

Nah man, you've got it all wrong.  Getting it right a handful of times in the last 40 or so league games isn't going to appease everyone though, it'll take a little while yet.  Personally I'm really encouraged by our last 2 performances, if we don't suffer from too many injuries then maybe we'll do alright.

[Tiresias]

Who's fault is it when things go wrong? Pardew's.

 

 

Who's fault is it when things go right? Chance!

 

 

One result doesn't outweigh an entire season, and it's arguably like clapping the last kid in a class to work out that 2+2=4 a year after the rest of the class, but credit where it's due, he got it right, hopefully he will keep this up

[Mick]

Who's fault is it when things go wrong? Pardew's.

 

 

Who's fault is it when things go right? Chance!

 

 

Come back and comment after you've played at a decent level.

[Hanshithispantz]

It's probably Pardew's fault when things go wrong for such a sustained period time that we're nearly relegated, yes

[merlin]

Back in the 70s we had Joe Harvey as manager up until 1975 when Gordon Lee took over after Joe's retirement.

Joe had been in charge since the early 60s and got the club promoted in 65 after a couple of abortive attempts. After promotion, we had a team that basically was a lower half side and we lost to the Mackems heavily a couple of  times in that decade. Joe was lucky in that we had some good kids coming through and Foggon, Dyson and John Craggs all came into the first team squad in time for our fortunate qualification for the Fairs Cup at the end of 67/68...Bobby Moncur and David Craig had already got into the first team by then and were respected internationals.....Joe was probably at his best as a manager between 65 and 71...after that, things started going downhill and it wasn't until a coach called Keith Burkinshaw started taking training

that things improved and we played some great stuff between 72-75 but Burky left and went to Tottenham, eventually becoming manager and winning the FA Cup there in 81....

 

The point here is that we don't know what has happened in the close season reg coaching of the first team....my bet is that Ashley has told Pardew to sort it or else and get the side playing better football - Pardew is NOT an exponent of carpet football so I would lay odds that one of the coaches - possibly Carver - has started having more input in day to day training as well as asking the senior players for their feelings on what has been wrong ; don't forget, Jonas took Pardew to task about the players' fitness and that seems to have been addressed by what we have seen so far. Certainly, the side looked much fitter on Saturday and lasted the Fulham game better too so maybe the fitness coach has also made herself useful.

 

Either way, I don't accept that Pardew has made the difference - why do it now when he obviously couldn't before - at ANY of his clubs...?

He probably picks the team - after consultation with his coaches etc...and that's it.

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

Something is wrong with Pardews thinking, when if we get an injury or two, which we will as every team does. Rather than stay 4-3-3, he will almost definitely change to a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-4-2 system to cope with them imo (hope he doesn't).

 

The squad is better playing 4-3-3, why not just place a player possibly not as suited to a position in a 4-3-3, say such as Jonas (hear me out) wide left of the front 3 as an example. And keep the system most of the squad are suited too and more comfortable with, Rather than go to a system that nearly all the squad are very poor in.

 

I'd rather see a player or two slightly out of position covering injuries, than a whole team struggling. Anyway imo we have cover in a 4-3-3, Gouffran for any of the front 3 positions, Sammy/Obertan for both wide positions up front. Tiote/Marv/Jonas/Gosling/Bigi/Haris while not great cover the central midfield 3. Shola (haha) covering Cisse down the middle. I dont get changing the system because of a couple of injuries.

 

And tbh why we haven't been using 4-3-3 for so long either, there's simply isn't an excuse for not using it for over a season until now when you look at the players Pardew has.

 

Yep his comments about not being able to put out an attacking side since Ba left (like we played well first half of that season lol) really reveal his problem, he's too scared of losing that the only way he'll take the handbrake off our team is if literally everyone is fit. Admitably with some injuries we are blunt but he doesn't even consider that setting us up more attacking gives us opportunities, to Pardew if his players aren't on the pitch it's all hands in defence better hope for a point.

 

It's nice to see even so after all this time that Pardew can even take the handbrake off and let us play, and the players remember how. Hopefully it won't be kneejerked back on anytime soon.

Can we cease the psycho analysis of the man's mindset based on some throwaway quotes from the manager? He is a liar (most managers are) who uses the media to placate the fans, bask in glory when things go well, and make excuses when they do not. This is typical nonsense from him. Judge the man by his actions, not his words.

[Weezertron]

Something is wrong with Pardews thinking, when if we get an injury or two, which we will as every team does. Rather than stay 4-3-3, he will almost definitely change to a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-4-2 system to cope with them imo (hope he doesn't).

 

The squad is better playing 4-3-3, why not just place a player possibly not as suited to a position in a 4-3-3, say such as Jonas (hear me out) wide left of the front 3 as an example. And keep the system most of the squad are suited too and more comfortable with, Rather than go to a system that nearly all the squad are very poor in.

 

I'd rather see a player or two slightly out of position covering injuries, than a whole team struggling. Anyway imo we have cover in a 4-3-3, Gouffran for any of the front 3 positions, Sammy/Obertan for both wide positions up front. Tiote/Marv/Jonas/Gosling/Bigi/Haris while not great cover the central midfield 3. Shola (haha) covering Cisse down the middle. I dont get changing the system because of a couple of injuries.

 

And tbh why we haven't been using 4-3-3 for so long either, there's simply isn't an excuse for not using it for over a season until now when you look at the players Pardew has.

 

Yep his comments about not being able to put out an attacking side since Ba left (like we played well first half of that season lol) really reveal his problem, he's too scared of losing that the only way he'll take the handbrake off our team is if literally everyone is fit. Admitably with some injuries we are blunt but he doesn't even consider that setting us up more attacking gives us opportunities, to Pardew if his players aren't on the pitch it's all hands in defence better hope for a point.

 

It's nice to see even so after all this time that Pardew can even take the handbrake off and let us play, and the players remember how. Hopefully it won't be kneejerked back on anytime soon.

Can we cease the psycho analysis of the man's mindset based on some throwaway quotes from the manager? He is a liar (most managers are) who uses the media to placate the fans, bask in glory when things go well, and make excuses when they do not. This is typical nonsense from him. Judge the man by his actions, not his words.

 

A man is only as good as his word.

[BrettNUFC]

Can't believe i'm still reading Pardew negativity, he couldn't have done anymore on Saturday. A lot on here were slating him midweek onwards saying Taylor would be back in regardless of clean sheets, Anita would be out for Tiote, Remy won't play when Jonas is fit. It's a load of shite man. He got everything spot on, i was ridiculed on here for taking drugs when i said as soon as Remy would be fit, we would go back to 4-3-3 in the formation we had with Ba yet that's exactly we have done as soon as he had a full squad to choose from, which has been the first time in a long time. This is all we did when finished 5th, got off to a good start and maintained that run of form, Pardew is capable of doing that. People around the country were just waiting for us to fall back down to mid table mediocrity but it never happened, we just kept going. Pardew has problems when things turn sour because he isn't really a good manager, but with this side in form, he's capable of having another good season regardless if people hate him or not. Yes it was just the one game on Saturday where it all came together, but you could see over the past few games we were slowly getting it all together and it's a joy to see now . Hopefully more and more fans will start to turn their heads around and realise we are actually building something special here and get behind it.

[AlanSkÃrare]

Can't believe i'm still reading Pardew negativity, he couldn't have done anymore on Saturday. A lot on here were slating him midweek onwards saying Taylor would be back in regardless of clean sheets, Anita would be out for Tiote, Remy won't play when Jonas is fit. It's a load of s**** man. He got everything spot on, i was ridiculed on here for taking drugs when i said as soon as Remy would be fit, we would go back to 4-3-3 in the formation we had with Ba yet that's exactly we have done as soon as he had a full squad to choose from, which has been the first time in a long time. This is all we did when finished 5th, got off to a good start and maintained that run of form, Pardew is capable of doing that. People around the country were just waiting for us to fall back down to mid table mediocrity but it never happened, we just kept going. Pardew has problems when things turn sour because he isn't really a good manager, but with this side in form, he's capable of having another good season regardless if people hate him or not. Yes it was just the one game on Saturday where it all came together, but you could see over the past few games we were slowly getting it all together and it's a joy to see now . Hopefully more and more fans will start to turn their heads around and realise we are actually building something special here and get behind it.

 

One good game doesn't restore confidence after 12 months of the shittiest shit performances you'd ever see and flirting with relegation, being thwarted by Sunderland and losing 0-6 at SJP. Fuck that. He has a long, long way to go.

 

First good signs in over a year.

[Guest icemanblue]

Can't believe i'm still reading Pardew negativity, he couldn't have done anymore on Saturday. A lot on here were slating him midweek onwards saying Taylor would be back in regardless of clean sheets, Anita would be out for Tiote, Remy won't play when Jonas is fit. It's a load of shite man. He got everything spot on, i was ridiculed on here for taking drugs when i said as soon as Remy would be fit, we would go back to 4-3-3 in the formation we had with Ba yet that's exactly we have done as soon as he had a full squad to choose from, which has been the first time in a long time. This is all we did when finished 5th, got off to a good start and maintained that run of form, Pardew is capable of doing that. People around the country were just waiting for us to fall back down to mid table mediocrity but it never happened, we just kept going. Pardew has problems when things turn sour because he isn't really a good manager, but with this side in form, he's capable of having another good season regardless if people hate him or not. Yes it was just the one game on Saturday where it all came together, but you could see over the past few games we were slowly getting it all together and it's a joy to see now . Hopefully more and more fans will start to turn their heads around and realise we are actually building something special here and get behind it.

 

Mate, it's early days. The signs are positive, but there needs to be definite sustained improvement. No point getting carried away with yourself just yet.

 

I agree, however, that some are simply shifting the goalposts in order to keep up the 'I H8 TEH CUNT' stance.

[Ronaldo]

Not ecstatic about him deciding to put Tiote on at 1-1, like.