Alan Pardew

[BrettNUFC]

Everton was a massive blow, he seemed to be improving things before that. He desperately needs to go back to the 4-3-3 we were using and just trust the team to turn it around. If he tinkers too much, brings back the solid pros, I can see it getting worse. Win against Cardiff and everyone will forget about us for another couple of weeks.

 

If we win with his changes, people won't be forgetting for a couple of weeks. I think the only way people will get off his back over the international break is if we stick with the 4-3-3 and play pretty much the villa side, i'm not sure he will do this however.

[ScottishMagpie]

Everton was a massive blow, he seemed to be improving things before that. He desperately needs to go back to the 4-3-3 we were using and just trust the team to turn it around. If he tinkers too much, brings back the solid pros, I can see it getting worse. Win against Cardiff and everyone will forget about us for another couple of weeks.

 

This.  He seems incapable of sticking with an effective system which we've proved the vast majority of the times, works for the players we have at our disposal.  But instead he likes to change for every match in the belief that it somehow re-inforces his self opinion as a master tactician. 

[Lotus]

Why do we think he's getting sacked anytime soon? What has changed this season?

 

As far as I can see, it's been business as usual since he wasn't sacked at the end of last season.

 

Also, why do we think JFK would do a better job?

 

Please don't take this to mean I don't want Pardew to choke on his lying tongue. But I can't see why he's suddenly under more pressure, or why his replacement by JFK is the promise of anything other than more gross mismanagement...?

 

Ashley is businessman, if he thinks Pardew is going to fail again this season and cost him money and from the start we've made it's actually looking like a possibility, he will sack him. However he's not going to make a knee jerk reaction so early in the season when he's been our manager for 3 years and you have the feeling he likes to have the stability at the club and doesn't really want to be chopping and changing managers when things get tough. He's given Pardew another chance after last season's disaster but make no mistake about it, if he fails again, he will be gone.

 

Why did you say 'fail again'? When did he fail the first time? We stayed up didn't we?

[AlanSkÃrare]

We weren't strong enough "in terms of depth" last season according to Pardew. That's why he blamed the Europa League. It meant the likes of Williamson had to play.

 

In January, he asked to get that situation rectified. Ashley obliged and Yanga-M'Biwa was brought in to get us better quality in that certain position.

 

He's now reverting to Williamson. His explanatory model is falling apart, hopefully in Ashley's eyes as well. It's the same shambles it's been for the past 12 months, despite us having next to no injuries, extra games or too few players.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We weren't strong enough "in terms of depth" last season according to Pardew. That's why he blamed the Europa League. It meant the likes of Williamson had to play.

 

In January, he asked to get that situation rectified. Ashley obliged and Yanga-M'Biwa was brought in to get us better quality in that certain position.

 

He's now reverting to Williamson. His explanatory model is falling apart, hopefully in Ashley's eyes as well. It's the same shambles it's been for the past 12 months, despite us having next to no injuries, extra games or too few players.

 

Well to be fair to Pardew, when you ask for a new player (and get one) you only later find out whether they actually play well for you. I would keep Mapou in obviously, but not sure your argument really works.

[ExiledGeordie]

 

With the international break coming up, another poor result tomorrow and I get the feeling he might get the shove.

[Lotus]

We weren't strong enough "in terms of depth" last season according to Pardew. That's why he blamed the Europa League. It meant the likes of Williamson had to play.

 

In January, he asked to get that situation rectified. Ashley obliged and Yanga-M'Biwa was brought in to get us better quality in that certain position.

 

He's now reverting to Williamson. His explanatory model is falling apart, hopefully in Ashley's eyes as well. It's the same shambles it's been for the past 12 months, despite us having next to no injuries, extra games or too few players.

 

Don't think you can damn Pardew on transfers. He doesn't appear to have much say in them.

[BrettNUFC]

Why do we think he's getting sacked anytime soon? What has changed this season?

 

As far as I can see, it's been business as usual since he wasn't sacked at the end of last season.

 

Also, why do we think JFK would do a better job?

 

Please don't take this to mean I don't want Pardew to choke on his lying tongue. But I can't see why he's suddenly under more pressure, or why his replacement by JFK is the promise of anything other than more gross mismanagement...?

 

Ashley is businessman, if he thinks Pardew is going to fail again this season and cost him money and from the start we've made it's actually looking like a possibility, he will sack him. However he's not going to make a knee jerk reaction so early in the season when he's been our manager for 3 years and you have the feeling he likes to have the stability at the club and doesn't really want to be chopping and changing managers when things get tough. He's given Pardew another chance after last season's disaster but make no mistake about it, if he fails again, he will be gone.

 

Why did you say 'fail again'? When did he fail the first time? We stayed up didn't we?

 

He still failed his targets though, unless you’re of the opinion Ashley would take 17th every single year if offered and be happy with that.

[mrmojorisin75]

Everton was a massive blow, he seemed to be improving things before that. He desperately needs to go back to the 4-3-3 we were using and just trust the team to turn it around. If he tinkers too much, brings back the solid pros, I can see it getting worse. Win against Cardiff and everyone will forget about us for another couple of weeks.

 

how's that?  hull was surely the blow right after villa because he did play the same 4-3-3 vs. hull (iirc, at least that's how he started) and it got torn to shreds because he doesn't know how to play it properly

 

everton had us beat the moment it fell apart vs. hull, never a doubt in my mind they'd rip us to bits

[Lotus]

Why do we think he's getting sacked anytime soon? What has changed this season?

 

As far as I can see, it's been business as usual since he wasn't sacked at the end of last season.

 

Also, why do we think JFK would do a better job?

 

Please don't take this to mean I don't want Pardew to choke on his lying tongue. But I can't see why he's suddenly under more pressure, or why his replacement by JFK is the promise of anything other than more gross mismanagement...?

 

Ashley is businessman, if he thinks Pardew is going to fail again this season and cost him money and from the start we've made it's actually looking like a possibility, he will sack him. However he's not going to make a knee jerk reaction so early in the season when he's been our manager for 3 years and you have the feeling he likes to have the stability at the club and doesn't really want to be chopping and changing managers when things get tough. He's given Pardew another chance after last season's disaster but make no mistake about it, if he fails again, he will be gone.

 

Why did you say 'fail again'? When did he fail the first time? We stayed up didn't we?

 

He still failed his targets though, unless you’re of the opinion Ashley would take 17th every single year if offered and be happy with that.

 

Tbh, i don't know his targets anymore than you do.

 

It's obvious Ashley has no real sporting ambition though so we have to assume that staying in the league is good enough (i'm sure he doesn't want relegation dog fights every year because we'll end up losing one again but he's not motivated to spend the necessary to make us regular top 8).

[BrettNUFC]

We weren't strong enough "in terms of depth" last season according to Pardew. That's why he blamed the Europa League. It meant the likes of Williamson had to play.

 

In January, he asked to get that situation rectified. Ashley obliged and Yanga-M'Biwa was brought in to get us better quality in that certain position.

 

He's now reverting to Williamson. His explanatory model is falling apart, hopefully in Ashley's eyes as well. It's the same shambles it's been for the past 12 months, despite us having next to no injuries, extra games or too few players.

 

To be fair he had been banging on for a dominant centre back that would be a threat aerially and might actually bag some goals to go with it, Mapou couldn't be further away from what he asked for. I see Mapou more a replacement for Colo than a partner for Colo.

[Raconteur]

Why do we think he's getting sacked anytime soon? What has changed this season?

 

As far as I can see, it's been business as usual since he wasn't sacked at the end of last season.

 

Also, why do we think JFK would do a better job?

 

Please don't take this to mean I don't want Pardew to choke on his lying tongue. But I can't see why he's suddenly under more pressure, or why his replacement by JFK is the promise of anything other than more gross mismanagement...?

 

Ashley is businessman, if he thinks Pardew is going to fail again this season and cost him money and from the start we've made it's actually looking like a possibility, he will sack him. However he's not going to make a knee jerk reaction so early in the season when he's been our manager for 3 years and you have the feeling he likes to have the stability at the club and doesn't really want to be chopping and changing managers when things get tough. He's given Pardew another chance after last season's disaster but make no mistake about it, if he fails again, he will be gone.

 

I'm sorry, but I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever that supports the bolded claims.

 

Even giving the most generous benefit of doubt, Ashley bought into Pardew's bullshit that the Europa League was a millstone around the club's neck and was the reason we performed so poorly in the league. He gave Pardew another chance but brought in his "own" man to advise and oversee Pardew (as well as himself). Even if you take these with the ludicrous bias I have placed on them, Ashley's only form for sacking a manager was getting rid of someone else's man and getting rid of a potential power rival. Neither have anything to do with performance - in fact, he (apparently) seems poised to slot in the man most responsible for our relegation!

[AlanSkÃrare]

We weren't strong enough "in terms of depth" last season according to Pardew. That's why he blamed the Europa League. It meant the likes of Williamson had to play.

 

In January, he asked to get that situation rectified. Ashley obliged and Yanga-M'Biwa was brought in to get us better quality in that certain position.

 

He's now reverting to Williamson. His explanatory model is falling apart, hopefully in Ashley's eyes as well. It's the same shambles it's been for the past 12 months, despite us having next to no injuries, extra games or too few players.

 

Well to be fair to Pardew, when you ask for a new player (and get one) you only later find out whether they actually play well for you. I would keep Mapou in obviously, but not sure your argument really works.

 

I agree, Pardew can't be faulted for the signings he's given (even though he knew this was a situation he'd be faced with, so no real pity there either). But when he's asked to explain why we lose every other game, he's (naturally) pointed finger to the quality of certain players. He's then been given new players, but results have stayed the same.

 

His preferred type of CB isn't really my point (and this is in response to Brett and Lotus as well). Regardless of the type of CB Mapou is, his explanation that he had no options, that we weren't strong enough in terms of depth etc. - those were his reasons for the bad results last year. Not the fact that we lacked a tactical game plan, preferred footballing philosophy or willingness to win games, that we changed formation every game, attacked with two players at a time, played with 3-4 players out of position. Those were the real reasons, not that Williamson had to play.

 

I hope Ashley sees through his excuses this time.

[mrmojorisin75]

His preferred type of CB isn't really my point (and this is in response to Brett and Lotus as well). Regardless of the type of CB Mapou is, his explanation that he had no options, that we weren't strong enough in terms of depth etc. - those were his reasons for the bad results last year. Not the fact that we lacked a tactical game plan, preferred footballing philosophy or willingness to win games, that we changed formation every game, attacked with two players at a time, played with 3-4 players out of position. Those were the real reasons, not that Williamson had to play.

 

tell it brother

 

if i pitched up to a new job and my performance steadily declined because i like apple computers better than windows ones and find it hard to work with windows my employers would realise i wasn't suited for the job and tell me to fuck off without 7 years payment being due

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We weren't strong enough "in terms of depth" last season according to Pardew. That's why he blamed the Europa League. It meant the likes of Williamson had to play.

 

In January, he asked to get that situation rectified. Ashley obliged and Yanga-M'Biwa was brought in to get us better quality in that certain position.

 

He's now reverting to Williamson. His explanatory model is falling apart, hopefully in Ashley's eyes as well. It's the same shambles it's been for the past 12 months, despite us having next to no injuries, extra games or too few players.

 

To be fair he had been banging on for a dominant centre back that would be a threat aerially and might actually bag some goals to go with it, Mapou couldn't be further away from what he asked for. I see Mapou more a replacement for Colo than a partner for Colo.

 

I think that's the intention, it's just that in the meantime all our other options are worse. Also, Mapou has to be getting regular games.

[BrettNUFC]

I'd personally stick with mym but i wouldn't argue with Willo coming back in as he did the job against Everton and has actually looked solid enough when called upon since he was thrown out of regular first team action. Only thing he can do wrong with this side imo is if he drops Ben Arfa or even brings back in Jonas. I’d like to stick with 4-3-3 but wouldn’t complain about 4-4-2 again.

[Lotus]

I'd personally stick with mym but i wouldn't argue with Willo coming back in as he did the job against Everton and has actually looked solid enough when called upon since he was thrown out of regular first team action. Only thing he can do wrong with this side imo is if he drops Ben Arfa or even brings back in Jonas. I’d like to stick with 4-3-3 but wouldn’t complain about 4-4-2 again.

 

What would the 4-4-2 look like without Jonas?

[mrmojorisin75]

people really on about jonas coming back in?

[BrettNUFC]

I'd personally stick with mym but i wouldn't argue with Willo coming back in as he did the job against Everton and has actually looked solid enough when called upon since he was thrown out of regular first team action. Only thing he can do wrong with this side imo is if he drops Ben Arfa or even brings back in Jonas. I’d like to stick with 4-3-3 but wouldn’t complain about 4-4-2 again.

 

What would the 4-4-2 look like without Jonas?

 

      Cisse Remy

 

Gouff Anita Cab HBA

 

Santon Colo Mym Deb

 

Attack Attack Attack 

 

From Pards point of 4-4-2 though....

 

            Gouff Remy

         

Sissoko Tiote Cabaye HBA

 

Santon Colo Willo Debuchy

[Lotus]

I'd personally stick with mym but i wouldn't argue with Willo coming back in as he did the job against Everton and has actually looked solid enough when called upon since he was thrown out of regular first team action. Only thing he can do wrong with this side imo is if he drops Ben Arfa or even brings back in Jonas. I’d like to stick with 4-3-3 but wouldn’t complain about 4-4-2 again.

 

What would the 4-4-2 look like without Jonas?

 

      Cisse Remy

 

Gouff Anita Cab HBA

 

Santon Colo Mym Deb

 

Attack Attack Attack 

 

From Pards point of 4-4-2 though....

 

            Gouff Remy

         

Sissoko Tiote Cabaye HBA

 

Santon Colo Willo Debuchy

 

So, no LW then.

[BrettNUFC]

Naaaaaa Sissoko can play wing according to Pards.

[loki679]

We don't have the players to effectively provide width in a 4-4-2.  If we had a quality left winger who could put a cross in and hug the touchline then it might work but as things stand the only player of that ilk close to the first team is little Fergie.

 

I think we naturally look better in a 4-3-3 because it plays to our squad's strengths.  We should be picking the formation to suit the players at our disposal, not choosing a formation and then shoehorning players in where we can.

[Lotus]

Naaaaaa Sissoko can play wing according to Pards.

 

Haven't seen him play LW but i'll take your word that he would be good at it...

[loki679]

HBA left wing with Santon right wing maybe but then that's a waste of Ben Arfa's talent and Santon isn't exactly Stanley Matthews.

[BrettNUFC]

Naaaaaa Sissoko can play wing according to Pards.

 

Haven't seen him play LW but i'll take your word that he would be good at it...

 

I'm not saying he'll be good at it, i just know Pardew isn't bothered for playing people out of position so wouldn't surprise me if Sissoko was put left/right in a 4-4-2.