Alan Pardew

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It's quite hard for me to post in this thread now, so I don't bother as much. Anything I say just gets met with a 'typical' or 'like clockwork' snipe from someone or other.

 

psssst... I think he means me.

 

Not just you mate, no personal offence meant.

[Interpolic]

It's quite hard for me to post in this thread now, so I don't bother as much. Anything I say just gets met with a 'typical' or 'like clockwork' snipe from someone or other.

 

psssst... I think he means me.

 

Not just you mate, no personal offence meant.

 

I couldn't care less.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It's quite hard for me to post in this thread now, so I don't bother as much. Anything I say just gets met with a 'typical' or 'like clockwork' snipe from someone or other.

 

psssst... I think he means me.

 

Not just you mate, no personal offence meant.

 

I couldn't care less.

 

Cool, just being nice.

[alexf]

Kaka you need to stop letting people get to you. It's a bit like watching someone being bullied at school or something. They are just trying to get a reaction out of you and every time you do they effectively win Just chill man and ignore it if you don't agree with what they say

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Once the meta-thread gets going it's game over.

[Guest firetotheworks]

It's quite hard for me to post in this thread now, so I don't bother as much. Anything I say just gets met with a 'typical' or 'like clockwork' snipe from someone or other.

 

psssst... I think he means me.

 

Not just you mate, no personal offence meant.

 

I couldn't care less.

 

Cool, just being nice.

 

Oh lawd it's owwwn.

[KaKa]

Kaka you need to stop letting people get to you. It's a bit like watching someone being bullied at school or something. They are just trying to get a reaction out of you and every time you do they effectively win Just chill man and ignore it if you don't agree with what they say

 

Thanks alexf.

 

I don't think I let them get to me at all. If I did I would be f-ing and blinding at them myself.

 

Maybe not even acknowledging them at all, is the best response though, as you have said.

 

However, I feel it's my duty to at least help them see the errors of their juvenile ways.

[Guest firetotheworks]

You've just mentioned taking it all as a bit of a laugh and then got immediately offended by something that was quite clearly meant as a joke. Don't be so sensitive.

[KaKa]

You've just mentioned taking it all as a bit of a laugh and then got immediately offended by something that was quite clearly meant as a joke. Don't be so sensitive.

 

Oh no ... I can sense this flaring up again.

 

I can't believe people saying I was offended!

 

I was just giving a bit back, as you do. Don't judge me.

[TRon]

If Pardew goes I am 99% sure Kinnear will take over. In the unlikely event he doesn't I dread to think who we will get in.

 

Either way I am certain it won't be an ambitious appointment. As bad as Pardew is I think there is more chance of the next manager being worse.

 

I don't. If Ashley really wanted to appoint another poor manager, why would he sack this one? IMO, either we'll do nothing and just limp along with Pardew getting the odd decent result interspersed with a few embarrassing thrashings, or Ashley will realise it's costing more than it's worth to keep hiring incompetents and invest in a proper manager.

[Mick]

This dampening of expectations thing is purely Pardew IMO, and not some sort of remit from above.

 

It's down to his personal disbelief that he can achieve a decent result without spending like Man City.

 

He'll be rabbiting on the same nonsense to everyone else at the club, whether it's Mike Ashley or Joe Kinnear or whoever. It is what he does.

 

It's his way of doing everything in his power to stay in charge and buy himself time in a job he will never be good enough for.

 

I don't think you're massively wrong, his bullshit goes two ways.  He's trying to tell everybody that he's doing a good job and it's in his interest if Ashley thinks that he's doing a good job with what he's got.

 

Ashley clearly doesn't think he's doing a good job and that's why he's wrongly brought a dinosaur back in to the club at the cost of his mate Llambias.

[Mick]

 

 

Oh no ... I can sense this flaring up again.

 

I can't believe people saying I was offended!

 

I was just giving a bit back, as you do. Don't judge me.

 

Rightly or wrongly, you do look as if you let them get to you.

[Happy Face]

This dampening of expectations thing is purely Pardew IMO, and not some sort of remit from above.

 

It's down to his personal disbelief that he can achieve a decent result without spending like Man City.

 

He'll be rabbiting on the same nonsense to everyone else at the club, whether it's Mike Ashley or Joe Kinnear or whoever. It is what he does.

 

It's his way of doing everything in his power to stay in charge and buy himself time in a job he will never be good enough for.

 

I don't think you're massively wrong, his bullshit goes two ways.  He's trying to tell everybody that he's doing a good job and it's in his interest if Ashley thinks that he's doing a good job with what he's got.

 

http://i40.tinypic.com/11jz04z.jpg

 

He's above average for the past 13 year.

 

Perhaps he's lowering opponents expectations.

 

Having an opposition underestimate us certainly worked in 11/12.

[Mick]

 

 

http://i40.tinypic.com/11jz04z.jpg

 

He's above average for the past 13 year.

 

Perhaps he's lowering opponents expectations.

 

Having an opposition underestimate us certainly worked in 11/12.

 

I think you know where you can shove your shitty graphs. 

[Happy Face]

Aye, facts ain't welcome round these here backward parts.

[cp40]

Aye, facts ain't welcome round these here backward parts.

[Beren]

Look forward to seeing your 12 game charts, HF

[Mick]

Aye, facts ain't welcome round these here backward parts.

 

The fact is that we have a shit manager who shouldn't be anywhere near the club, anything else makes no difference.  As for the shitty graphs, I don't know if they are facts because I don't look at them in enough detail, I see the graph and move on.

[Happy Face]

Aye, facts ain't welcome round these here backward parts.

 

The fact is that we have a shit manager who shouldn't be anywhere near the club, anything else makes no difference.  As for the shitty graphs, I don't know if they are facts because I don't look at them in enough detail, I see the graph and move on.

 

So you happily criticise stuff without paying any attention?  Why should I trust your view of Pardew if that's the case?

[Happy Face]

Look forward to seeing your 12 game charts, HF

 

Will be interesting like.

 

The 12 game average for Newcastle over the same period is 16 points so he'll need to win 2 of the next 4.

 

Or win one and draw 3 

 

We took 4 points from the corresponding fixtures last year, and probably deserved 5, so it's not out of the question.

[Mick]

 

 

So you happily criticise stuff without paying any attention?  Why should I trust your view of Pardew if that's the case?

 

I hate graphs and I've said it before, I spend far too much time while getting paid to look at them to spend free time doing the same.

[Happy Face]

I hate graphs

 

http://i.imgur.com/M994S.gif

[Guest bimpy474]

And graphs/stats distort things. You're own eyes and judgement tell you all you need to know. And while some peoples judgement maybe skewed, most see the real reason we play shit football.

 

PS : Only a fool would deny we have been better, and are trying to play better stuff tbf.

[NG32]

NUFC.Coms Article / Comments

 

 

 

In the absence of any club news on an international weekend, Alan Pardew handily popped up on Sky Sports to express opinions on a range of subjects:

 

"Mike (Ashley) is a strong character who has been a success in his whole business life and is a genius in that world - but when you come to football the logic doesn't quite fit. He loves football but he sometimes can't understand how it works and it confuses and upsets him, and when he is upset he does things that aren't brilliant for the football club.

 

"That's just Mike and he has funded the club, made sure we have no debt - other than to himself - and supported me, but unless we get a billionaire from deepest Russia we are probably not going to be able to compete with the likes of Man United, Man City and Chelsea, which is what our fans want.

 

"We were after flair players (in the last transfer window) and when you get into that market as a Premier League club, you have your league and divisions like the Bundesliga chasing them because they are a rare commodity, so it is difficult to get them over the line.

 

"Loic Remy has been a great signing and given us what we didn't have last year which is a striker who can play, build the game and finish, while he has a nice manner, is comfortable with our group and has the confidence to play for Newcastle, too.

 

"But Mike has put in about £200m of his own money and I don't think he wants to put any more of his own money in.

 

"Sometimes it was finance that was getting in the way (of making summer signings). It was extra difficult for us because we also had the Yohan Cabaye situation.

 

"If Yohan had gone we might have had more to play with and got a striker, so we waited and it was very difficult, a bit like a poker game in a way.

 

Fortunately Yohan stayed and I'm glad  because he is an important player and such a talent in terms of his technique and manoeuvring of the ball, and is good a midfielder as I've worked with.

 

"We did have some words when he tried to force a move, though, and he has some making up to do.

 

"Derek Llambias was in charge of the transfers at the club and I worked well with him, but Mike Ashley decided he wanted a change in that department and wanted someone in place who knew football.

 

"He whispered that someone might be coming in without telling me the name and then I later found out that it was Joe (Kinnear), someone I didn't know at all.

 

"I have got to know him a bit now in his role as Mike's confidante where he gets asked: 'What does the manager need and what can I do for him?' and so far he has been very supportive. I have told him what I want and his job is to try and get it out of Mike.

 

"He is not involved at the training ground or in tactics and hasn't even offered me his opinion on those things, so I am comfortable with that and hope he can get the message to Mike on the one or two issues I think we need to address, one of which is more British players as we are starting to get filled up with too many foreign players.

 

"All Premier League managers are under real pressure from their board, from their owners, to get a strong Premier League finish because the finance and prestige for Premier League teams is such that that is the priority.

 

"So forget about everything else, that is the priority for the owners. But for managers, of course, it isn’t. Our ambition is to win trophies, so every competition we enter we try and win.

 

"When we were in the Europa League put some really strong teams, we got to the quarter-final and it was touch and go against Benfica, who nearly won it. We prioritised that.

 

"When it came round to the (domestic) cups we had awful teams to put out. As manager, I have to admit that. It wasn’t good enough for Newcastle.

 

"It wasn’t that I didn’t have them (players) in the background, they weren’t fit. We had a really bad run.

 

"This year, we want to win a cup, we want to win a trophy. Imagine Newcastle winning a trophy, no one would love that more than myself and for the fans. Our fans have been starved since '68.

 

"If we can reach the heights that we’ve done this year in certain games and certain periods in games, there’s no reason why we can’t win a trophy.

 

"We’ve got the resources this year to have a go in the cups. We’ve got a really good first XI and the XI underneath it is not far away, and that bodes well when you have to put those guys in to keep the team at the same level.

 

"So I feel a little bit more confident this year, certainly than I did last year, and we’re not far away, in my opinion, from the team that finished fifth in terms of quality.”

 

Picking the bones out of that - and looking beyond the headline-grabbing but meaningless guff about the owner - the over-riding feeling is one of a club still cobbling together policy on the hoof; coalition FC perhaps.

 

The too many foreigners line is simply senseless, almost indicating that the last dozen or so signings appeared in the back of container lorries with false paperwork. The previously fertile ground of France now appears to be over-cultivated and the bargains lie elsewhere.

 

It remains to be seen though whether the desire to curb the amount of imports manifests itself in signings from the Football League (an area the club currently heavily scouts) or further graduates from the development side following on from Paul Dummett and Sammy Ameobi.

 

Given the constraints on finance though, the only way of bringing the cream of the lower leagues to SJP will be after higher earners have left for larger fees than are then committed. That's the other bit of JFK's remit and something publicly stated previously by Llambias.

 

And as to whether Pardew has the guts and gumption to field a full-strength side capable of beating Manchester City in the League Cup, our next two games may provide the answer to that particular question.

 

Last season's exit to Benfica with stronger teams than he was advised to field placed him under massive pressure to achieve results against at home to Liverpool and the mackems - both of which ended in spectacular defeats.

 

Those two sides now lie in wait before that City game, with negative outcomes making the visit of Chelsea four days later a potentially decisive encounter - relegating the League Cup to the importance of those embarrassing FA Cup ties when an exit was mission accomplished.

 

While Pardew may summon up more romantic notions of silverware and ribbons than than club directors did at a recent fan forum, the reality remains that Premier League  preservation - and ultimately self-preservation - will ultimately kick in. Unless he really wants to be paid off.