Alan Pardew

[Guest palnese]

Anyone got that average position chart for the WBA game?

[cp40]

As our form gets better, do the Posts get longer as the explanation of Pardews Failings is more difficult ?

[Mole_Toonfan]

Mapou is like Cisse to Pardew. He is too much hard work. He likes to bring the ball out, he likes to pass it about, he likes to get involved and he likes to even go on a mazy run. He's a footballing defender and that's not what Pardew wants really. If he cut all that from his game and played like Williamson, he'd be one of the first names on the sheet but why work on him cutting it out when he can simply not play him and use him only when he needs to, ala Cisse?

 

Perhaps all that hard work he obviously has put into Ben Arfa but with no real success has made him think f*** that, its not worth it. It fits in with his percentages and back to basics type mindset really.

 

That's why I think he's been dropped and not Williamson. Obviously on paper Colo and Mapou should be starting. They are better players and better defenders but its about what Pardew wants back there and what he sees is better for the team I suppose. In that sense, Pardew is for once, being rationale and doing what is best for the team.

 

Nothing to do with it.... he seemed to trust him enough without Colo. He just doesn't have the balls to put Colo on the bench when he's actually fit.

 

Williamson is not really in the equation, because he won't play Colo and Mbiwa together again after the Everton debacle and Williamson in this form is a decent compliment to both of them.

 

In any case Colo is going to leave in the summer so the decision will be made for him.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Mapou is like Cisse to Pardew. He is too much hard work. He likes to bring the ball out, he likes to pass it about, he likes to get involved and he likes to even go on a mazy run. He's a footballing defender and that's not what Pardew wants really. If he cut all that from his game and played like Williamson, he'd be one of the first names on the sheet but why work on him cutting it out when he can simply not play him and use him only when he needs to, ala Cisse?

 

Perhaps all that hard work he obviously has put into Ben Arfa but with no real success has made him think f*** that, its not worth it. It fits in with his percentages and back to basics type mindset really.

 

That's why I think he's been dropped and not Williamson. Obviously on paper Colo and Mapou should be starting. They are better players and better defenders but its about what Pardew wants back there and what he sees is better for the team I suppose. In that sense, Pardew is for once, being rationale and doing what is best for the team.

 

Nothing to do with it.... he seemed to trust him enough without Colo. He just doesn't have the balls to put Colo on the bench when he's actually fit.

 

Williamson is not really in the equation, because he won't play Colo and Mbiwa together again after the Everton debacle and Williamson in this form is a decent compliment to both of them.

 

In any case Colo is going to leave in the summer so the decision will be made for him.

 

Either way its always the easier decision with Pardew. He should be playing Colo and Mapou together because they are clearly both very good footballers and the latter can only benefit from playing alongside someone as experienced as Colo. But that requires thinking outside of the box, that requires a degree of balls.

 

Having said that, Williamson doesn't deserve dropping and of course football isn't played on paper so...

[Mole_Toonfan]

Tbh i see why he choses Williamson plus one other as its a better compliment for the team.

 

He'll want to replace Colo with a towering CB as well i'd imagine and rightly so tbf, at this point its going to be Colo or Mbiwa for the rest of the season as Pardew prefers it that way.

 

I don't have a problem with it really, but i do feel Mbiwa should be bedded in and starting as Colo will be off soon and Mbiwa is seen as the replacement.

 

But i can't see him dropping Colo when he's fit.

[Mick]

But if we won the league, why would it matter if he played negative football? (which we're not at the moment)

 

It wouldn't matter, I'd take winning the League Cup in the 120th minute of every game playing negative football if it meant winning a trophy.

[NG32]

Hull result really sticks in my neck and that first half preformace at Sunderland. 

[captainhaircut]

Re Ben Arfa, it's easy to blame Pardew for his failings when the reality is that he's played the best football of his career under Pardew.

 

He's always been a massively frustrating and inconsistent player despite being one of the most naturally talented players in the world. That's why he plays for us.

 

Pardew actually managed to get some consistent football out of him until he did his hammy last year. Since then, he's been very, very hit and miss.

[Dave]

He was easily our best performing player in early season tbf.

[Guest]

He was easily our best performing player in early season tbf.

 

Yep, up to the Hull game he was our best player by far.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Re Ben Arfa, it's easy to blame Pardew for his failings when the reality is that he's played the best football of his career under Pardew.

 

He's always been a massively frustrating and inconsistent player despite being one of the most naturally talented players in the world. That's why he plays for us.

 

Pardew actually managed to get some consistent football out of him until he did his hammy last year. Since then, he's been very, very hit and miss.

 

Put Ben Arfa in the team and give him the confidence to express himself and he will justify his place with goals, assists and moments of brilliance that can separate a draw from a defeat or a win from a draw. The simple fact is that Pardew cannot find a place for Ben Arfa in his preffered 4-4-2, however, because Ben Arfa is too much of a risk from a defensive perspective. He has tried to fit him in using other formations, systems, tactics and even roles for the player himself but for whatever reason things haven't worked, or he hasn't given things enough time.

 

And that's mainly down to his own failings as a manager and coach than any failings of the player. He is not a false number 9 whatever the fuck that is nor is he a winger, right or left. You play Ben Arfa in a free role and you compensate for any defensive short comings in other ways because offensively, he is that good and that critical to the art of scoring goals, you know, the very thing that wins games...

 

While its foolish to build a team around one single player, surely there is a place for Ben Arfa in our first team and on a regular basis? I know there is but for that to become so requires a change in shape, tactics and system for the team and a change in role for the player. Pardew just doesn't have the vision to see this nor the skills to make it work, however, as we have found out time and time again to the point where under Pardew we really are better off without him  in the side and that's a fucking shame.

[Cajun]

Ben Arfa was fine, tracking back, working pretty hard. Then Pardew decided he wanted to do something else with him (Like the Tiote/Essien thing) and undid all the good work.

 

We don't need HBA being like Jonas or even Gouffran, just come back when needed and he has shown he has the intelligence to knick the ball off players without having to be a tough tackler.

 

No idea why Pardew thinks he needed to change Ben Arfa after he got the balance between freedom and team work right.

[High Five o]

HTT is pretty much spot on, good posts! 

[Guest hatem garrincha]

Agree with HTT. Ben Arfa isn't needed, neither useful in the current Pardew formation.

 

[joeyt]

When this one gets closed will the next Pardew thread be the 3rd or 4th one?

[Ikon]

When this one gets closed will the next Pardew thread be the 3rd or 4th one?

 

Not sure, but im thinking of reading through every post in the Pardew threads again and also translate them in chinese

[cp40]

some day someone will ask if its the 10th thread yet.

[Dokko]

When this one gets closed will the next Pardew thread be the 3rd or 4th one?

 

Not sure, but im thinking of reading through every post in the Pardew threads again and also translate them to Chinese

 

Won't take long since there has only ever been 6 posts across 4,000 pages which have had any variation.

[cp40]

When this one gets closed will the next Pardew thread be the 3rd or 4th one?

 

Not sure, but im thinking of reading through every post in the Pardew threads again and also translate them in chinese

 

 

Translate them into Thumb code.

[Jayson]

It's largely depressing that we can't find a place for arguably our most gifted player. He was incredible at Villa, and won us the game against Fulham.

 

And then was very poor against Hull. He lost his place after that & the game against Everton when we were far better again when he went off at half time. We simply look a better side in terms of mentality without him recently.

 

All of the players who have played in his place have had a hand in goals, cant see any reason to complain atm.

[JH]

We could win every single game this season and I'd still have the same opinion of him.

 

Think he's unnecessarily negative in both his words and team setup. We're on target to qualify for that Europe that he was glad we weren't in this year though

dear me. theres some s**** posted on here but that just about tops everything.

 

f*** me, it was blatantly an exaggeration. The second point is serious.

[joeyt]

In his post match Sky interview he says that we've had some fortunate decisions in our run of the 4 wins. Which were they? None immediately spring to mind

[Flip]

In his post match Sky interview he says that we've had some fortunate decisions in our run of the 4 wins. Which were they? None immediately spring to mind

 

Fortunate or unfortunate? I'd say some unfortunate decisions, some fortunate goalkeeping

[Dave]

"The Europa League needs to change for clubs in the Premier League," he said. "League games need to go to Monday night. If they are going to insist we play Thursday, then we have to play the subsequent Premier League game on a Monday. That would be fair. If teams play in the Champions League on a Wednesday, they play on a Sunday. That's fair and gives you just enough time but Thursday to Sunday is not fair."

 

Thoughts?

[alexf]

fair comment.