NG32 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 http://www.themag.co.uk/tyne-talk/comment-joe-kinnear-left-building/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Not looking to replace him is a relief in many respects but it still leaves the club with nobody running things from day to day. Who the f*** is in charge? John Irving and Lee Charnley, same as before, Kinnear had nothing to do with the day to day running of the club. 'Before', Derek Llambias was in charge. Llambias had two roles, player transfers and day to day control. When Llambias left Kinnear was given the football stuff and the day to day running was put in the hands of Charnley and Irving. Llambias resigned. That's worked out well since, hasn't it. Saves on staffing costs I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 If quotes happens to come along today at some point, can someone stick them in the o.p? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Part of me thinks if he was going to be forced out for stupidity or incompetence it would have happened ages ago (or he wouldn't have been employed in the first place) and it's probably down to him doing something either personally or professionally that's pissed Ashley off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Not looking to replace him is a relief in many respects but it still leaves the club with nobody running things from day to day. Who the f*** is in charge? John Irving and Lee Charnley, same as before, Kinnear had nothing to do with the day to day running of the club. 'Before', Derek Llambias was in charge. Llambias had two roles, player transfers and day to day control. When Llambias left Kinnear was given the football stuff and the day to day running was put in the hands of Charnley and Irving. Llambias resigned. That's worked out well since, hasn't it. Saves on staffing costs I guess. Er it clearly hasn't worked out well at all. But anyway are you happy that you now know that the day to day running of the club is not affected by Kinnear's departure? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 If quotes happens to come along today at some point, can someone stick them in the o.p? Lazy bastard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I am trying not to get too carried away with this, but I have a feeling this is the start of something good finally happening at the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Not looking to replace him is a relief in many respects but it still leaves the club with nobody running things from day to day. Who the f*** is in charge? John Irving and Lee Charnley, same as before, Kinnear had nothing to do with the day to day running of the club. 'Before', Derek Llambias was in charge. Llambias had two roles, player transfers and day to day control. When Llambias left Kinnear was given the football stuff and the day to day running was put in the hands of Charnley and Irving. Llambias resigned. That's worked out well since, hasn't it. Saves on staffing costs I guess. Er it clearly hasn't worked out well at all. But anyway are you happy that you now know that the day to day running of the club is not affected by Kinnear's departure? My point is that this was a fucking laughably bad decision in the first place now made even worse by the fact it's not been maintained. Before Kinnear came we had a managing director, now we don't. I know what you're saying about Kinnear's influence but it still feels like we're even worse off than when Llambias was here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Not looking to replace him is a relief in many respects but it still leaves the club with nobody running things from day to day. Who the f*** is in charge? John Irving and Lee Charnley, same as before, Kinnear had nothing to do with the day to day running of the club. 'Before', Derek Llambias was in charge. Llambias had two roles, player transfers and day to day control. When Llambias left Kinnear was given the football stuff and the day to day running was put in the hands of Charnley and Irving. Llambias resigned. That's worked out well since, hasn't it. Saves on staffing costs I guess. Er it clearly hasn't worked out well at all. But anyway are you happy that you now know that the day to day running of the club is not affected by Kinnear's departure? My point is that this was a f***ing laughably bad decision in the first place now made even worse by the fact it's not been maintained. Before Kinnear came we had a managing director, now we don't. I know what you're saying about Kinnear's influence but it still feels like we're even worse off than when Llambias was here. I agree it was a brainless decision to appoint Kinnear and also agree we are worse off than when Llambias was here. He did at least seem to be able to get deals done when needed. Here's an article from the Chronicle last summer that explains the split of responsibilities: Bigger board role for Newcastle United financial director John Irving 21 Jun 2013 08:49 Newcastle United financial director John Irving is set to step up his role in the Magpies’ boardroom in the aftermath of Derek Llambias’ resignation. The former casino chief’s departure coincided with the arrival of Joe Kinnear as director of football. Kinnear had previously made suggestions Llambias had been sidelined for a more “financial” role. However, Llambias told the club on Tuesday evening that he was ready to call it a day. His exit has left a void in the boardroom. but it is set to be filled by a combination of Tyneside native Irving and current football secretary Lee Charnley. There has also been a suggestion owner Mike Ashley would opt to bring in a chief executive. Irving, though, is still thought to become a more prominent figure upstairs. However, while Llambias was his right-hand man at Newcastle during his five-year stint, the owner will now gain a take on the football side of things from the ex-Wimbledon and Nottingham Forest boss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I know what you're saying about Kinnear's influence but it still feels like we're even worse off than when Llambias was here. Don't get this conclusion at all. At best Kinnear did nothing, at worst he made a mess of our transfer dealings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I know what you're saying about Kinnear's influence but it still feels like we're even worse off than when Llambias was here. Don't get this conclusion at all. At best Kinnear did nothing, at worst he made a mess of our transfer dealings. Kind of. I do agree with Dave that we were better off when someone was in charge but i'd rather have no one than JFK. Mark Douglas has said he never spoke to Remy before he signed and he massively p*ssed off Cabaye with the way he handled the Arsenal offers in the summer. That along with fucking up any deals for a Cabaye replacement and binning the Douglas transfer appears to be the sum of the old cunts contribution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I know what you're saying about Kinnear's influence but it still feels like we're even worse off than when Llambias was here. Don't get this conclusion at all. At best Kinnear did nothing, at worst he made a mess of our transfer dealings. His appearance forced the existing MD out and placed responsibility in the hands of people who have even fewer credentials than he had. Kinnear might be gone now, but we've still gone backwards IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I know what you're saying about Kinnear's influence but it still feels like we're even worse off than when Llambias was here. Don't get this conclusion at all. At best Kinnear did nothing, at worst he made a mess of our transfer dealings. Regardless of Kinnear being here, what Dave is saying is we still dont have an MD...everyone else in that club is a tickturd, doing the bidding of Ashley...The only one who seemed to be able to get a grip and get hold of things was Llambias and he is gone. Well gone, there is now a massive whole in the club with or without Kinnear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 http://i.cubeupload.com/fMKutW.jpg One down, two to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I know what you're saying about Kinnear's influence but it still feels like we're even worse off than when Llambias was here. Don't get this conclusion at all. At best Kinnear did nothing, at worst he made a mess of our transfer dealings. Regardless of Kinnear being here, what Dave is saying is we still dont have an MD...everyone else in that club is a tickturd, doing the bidding of Ashley...The only one who seemed to be able to get a grip and get hold of things was Llambias and he is gone. Well gone, there is now a massive whole in the club with or without Kinnear. It's a bit naive to believe that there hasn't been a massive whole since Lambias resigned, without trying to be argumentative. Kinnear was a vacuum at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishMagpie Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 @MsiDouglas: Kinnear leaving #nufc feels significant, even if he was insignificant. Is this Ashley end game? Thoughts here: http://t.co/ni0JHbfnuA Pls sell This please. Hope it is a sign of something bigger about to happen. If we ignore the train of thought that says Joke was just crap at being a DoF and go with the notion he was brought in on purpose to do sweet fuck all then why get shot of him now (I don't for one milli-second believe Joke has gone willingly)? If he was the pantomime villian in this horror story and was fulfilling his remit then it doesn't make sense. This is me clutching at any short straw that gives me hope Ashley's time as owner is on the countdown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I think the main thing about Llambias is that he had built up some experience of working in the transfer market and knew how to get things done. As evidence we signed 5 players in one month last year (should have been 6). That's quite a lot to get "over the line". The experience he had built up walked out of the door when he did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I think the main thing about Llambias is that he had built up some experience of working in the transfer market and knew how to get things done. As evidence we signed 5 players in one month last year (should have been 6). That's quite a lot to get "over the line". The experience he had built up walked out of the door when he did. Good point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 there is no way Joe Resigned, his ridiculous ego wouldn't have allowed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mary Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 This is purely a reaction to people cancelling their season tickets on mass. Trying to f***ing make out it was nothing to do with him. Fat prick, nobody's falling for it anymore, now f*** off. I'm afraid as much as time4change and others would like you to believe there has been no mass cancellation of season tickets. The number cancelled is not even in 3 figures Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 This is purely a reaction to people cancelling their season tickets on mass. Trying to f***ing make out it was nothing to do with him. Fat prick, nobody's falling for it anymore, now f*** off. I'm afraid as much as time4change and others would like you to believe there has been no mass cancellation of season tickets. The number cancelled is not even in 3 figures Just wondering how we know the number? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 there is no way Joe Resigned, his ridiculous ego wouldn't have allowed it. As idiotic he is, he's very passionate and prideful (albeit in a crazy old grandad way). When he's come and said 'judge me on my signings' and he's made none, I think there may be a modicum of truth to him resigning. That's not to say that Ashley wouldn't have been involved in his removal, but I don't think it would have been a one-way decision. I hope that he did resign, as in some strange way it makes me feel a little bit of sympathy towards a man who would have recognized his inadequacies and subsequent failings and chosen to fall on his sword rather than continue to be painted as a corporate, clueless clown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spark Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 This is purely a reaction to people cancelling their season tickets on mass. Trying to f***ing make out it was nothing to do with him. Fat prick, nobody's falling for it anymore, now f*** off. I'm afraid as much as time4change and others would like you to believe there has been no mass cancellation of season tickets. The number cancelled is not even in 3 figures Just wondering how we know the number? She's box office ITK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 there is no way Joe Resigned, his ridiculous ego wouldn't have allowed it. As idiotic he is, he's very passionate and prideful (albeit in a crazy old grandad way). When he's come and said 'judge me on my signings' and he's made none, I think there may be a modicum of truth to him resigning. That's not to say that Ashley wouldn't have been involved in his removal, but I don't think it would have been a one-way decision. I hope that he did resign, as in some strange way it makes me feel a little bit of sympathy towards a man who would have recognized his inadequacies and subsequent failings and chosen to fall on his sword rather than continue to be painted as a corporate, clueless clown. In Joe's own fantasy world, he would have thought he was doing a cracking job though. The bloke is an utter loon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mary Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Just wondering how we know the number? You as a group you mean? With season ticket renewals there's always a drop off, even when we were finishing 2nd under Hall, peoples' circumstances change. Less than 100 have cancelled in the past weekend after the derby (taking into account Sunday and Monday) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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