RIP Joe Kinnear (1946–2024)

[Guest antz1uk]

Well I've just tried to follow lee Ryder on twitter for updates and I'm blocked! Can't remember what I must have said to him.. Gimp

[Robbo]

Mark Douglas ‏@MsiDouglas 26s

 

"Joe was going to come," Eddie starts before being shouted down.

[Ryan]

Well I've just tried to follow lee Ryder on twitter for updates and I'm blocked! Can't remember what I must have said to him.. Gimp

 

[Flartyblartclart]

@MsiDouglas: MacIntyre being heckled. "This has become a national thing. You've got an MP raising it in the House of Commons!"

[Dave]

@MsiDouglas

"Joe regrets what happened. He will be here in the future. You're all talking about someone you don't know," he says.

 

It's perfectly fine for him to say we all hate cockneys of course.

[Flartyblartclart]

@MsiDouglas: "Joe regrets what happened. He will be here in the future. You're all talking about someone you don't know," he says.  Aye whatever.

[Ketsbaia]

Hopefully theres a civilised riot brewing tonight.

[Rich]

I'm enjoying it. Think I've lost the plot.

 

Really? Howay.

 

Dunno whether it's just because it's the summer so it's not affecting us on the pitch yet, but I've certainly not been too upset by it all.

 

If we start losing good players and/or bringing absolute shite in then I'll start to spit the dummy out.

 

Fair enough. I'm not gonna come on here and say "you shouldn't think THIS", but I honestly don't know how anyone can enjoy having this man associated with the club - regurgitating verbal diarrhoea every time a journalist is within a few miles of him. I don't even give a shit if Shearer couldn't cut it and I don't care if he's entitled to 'fight back' in the press... he's stuck it to the bloke I'd call my hero and it's just another in a list of utter fucking bullshit. The bloke is an idiot and an embarrassment. None of this post is anything new, but I just can't come to terms with it. His appointment has had no effect on the pitch yet, but people are laughing at us again (our own fans included) and it's gutting.

 

After the Arsenal well game (well, Sunderland really), I had pretty much switched off from football (news) cos it was bareable that way. Kinnear came back and I 'switched on' again, but only for a few days in the midst of the immediate furore. Having tried to turn my back until August again, it's just not gonna be possible when this clown is involved with us.

 

Buh.

 

Maybe us being mental has just become the norm for me, so it's what I expect. It's not nice to be the laughing stock again, of course, but I'm lucky enough to have a relatively insular existence when it comes to NUFC. Got some family who are Sunderland/Spurs that I speak to very rarely, but aside from that everyone else I see regularly is a Newcastle fan too. I don't read Twitter, listen to 5Live/talkSPORT or watch much SSN so I don't get much external reaction at all.

 

I do, perhaps oddly, appreciate the fact that Kinnear has been incredibly good value for the media since the bombshell got dropped and I'm also warmly supportive of Pardew getting his cage rattled a bit after that abortion of a season. I honestly couldn't stop listening to his talkSPORT interview because it just felt so surreal and it was genuinely entertaining listening to him rambling on like a drunken madman. Of course it was embarrassing and could potentially have been/still be used by the likes of Cabaye to help engineer a move away, but it's been quiet so far on that front. He did at least appear to know who some of our best players are as well, which is a start, and as always it wasn't as bad as it was made out to be.

 

Llambias getting forced out could be a positive to come out of the situation as well, although again time will tell on that. I do have the nagging doubt that Kinnear in the DOF role is a ticking timebomb in the way Wise was, but then again it's not like I have any time for Pardew like I did for Keegan. Pardew > Kinnear is a lot easier to take than Keegan > Kinnear, basically.

 

It's a very confusing time at the moment, but I certainly wouldn't say it was all doom and gloom again. We've still got what I personally consider to be a very strong squad and the owner does appear to be somewhat fucked off that we underachieved badly last season, which surely can only be a positive thing? We've heard for ages people saying they wanted to get him "interested again" and January was proof that if he's involved then things tend to get done and rules tend to get bent a little bit.

 

As I said earlier on in the thread, it's really just about watching the transfer window and the pre-season unfold now for me. Things are incredibly difficult to judge at present because of the sheer amount of turbulence this has all brought.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

Glad I didn't go, tbh.  Does sound a bit of a farce.

[Aphrodite]

Poor bloke whoever has to read a statement on behalf of Kinnear On a hiding to nothing

[Skeletor]

Glad I didn't go, tbh.  Does sound a bit of a farce.

 

Never expected any different.

[mouldy_uk]

Poor bloke whoever has to read a statement on behalf of Kinnear On a hiding to nothing

 

I can just imagine Joe handing him the statement, pushing him into the room then doing a runner

[Flartyblartclart]

@MsiDouglas: Eddie says: "The statement is Joe regrets the part he has played in the last week.He's assured us that some time in the future he will come to one of these meetings" Joe "you're all cunts.  Bye."

[David Icke - Son of God]

Glad I didn't go, tbh.  Does sound a bit of a farce.

 

It sounds like a bunch of fans getting together trying to have a say in their club. I don't know what people expected.

 

Unfortunately I think the time for action has been and gone. Our support is just too fractious to be able to come together like a Spirit of Shankley type of way which, let's be honest, is the only way the supporters could be an effective force. The one and only time that our fans were able to get together and agree on something was post-KK, from which NUSC/T sprung. Great idea, badly executed which became consumed with 'owning' the club and then became a vanity project for Mr Jensen.

[Flartyblartclart]

@MsiDouglas: Eddie MacIntyre finishes with a passionate: "Get off Joe Kinnear's back - and give him a chance!" Didn't go down well...

[ujpest doza]

I'm enjoying it. Think I've lost the plot.

 

Really? Howay.

 

Dunno whether it's just because it's the summer so it's not affecting us on the pitch yet, but I've certainly not been too upset by it all. The initial announcement just left me incredulous.

 

If we start losing good players and/or bringing absolute shite in then I'll start to spit the dummy out.

I Agree, am just enjoying the summer, time to worry is if we start badly, sell good players and don't buy good replacements.

[Paully]

Interview from 3 years ago

 

 

 

"Kevin Keegan and Alan Shearer, the Messiahs, got nine points between them."

 

When I went into hospital, we were 13th with 13 games left. Everything was going in our favour.

 

All the other clubs were getting beat, and we were on a great run. It was looking an absolute doddle.

 

I said to Mike (Ashley), let me come back, but he said, no, the club doctor spoke to the specialist, and it was too dangerous.

 

What disappointed me most was that, irrespective of my health, I could have been a figurehead, so Alan could have bounced things off me.

 

I would have be able to help and guide him.

 

Alan has been a phenomenal player, but hes never been in management or coaching.

 

The whole of Newcastle wanted him, and they got him.

 

They have delusions of grandeur

 

They need someone who can put a winning unit together on a regular basis.

 

If it was me, and I had pot loads of money, I would try and get someone like Martin ONeill.

 

Joe Kinnear claimed today that Ashley had made him an offer last month of a two-year contract to come back as manager, only for him to turn it down on medical grounds. His doctor says he cannot return to the dug-out until December at the earliest. But it is other comments by Kinnear, who managed the club from September until he left for triple heart bypass surgery in February, about regional attitudes that may stir debate. "I think Mike Ashley got a lot of unfair criticism last year, I think anybody from London does, that's the way life is up there," said Kinnear.

 

"We were 2-0 up against Aston Villa [in November] and a chant broke out around the entire stadium for about 10 minutes, 'There's only one KK.' You get it whoever you are, it's just the way they are. Up there, KK [Kevin Keegan] and Shearer are their two Messiahs and that's who they want all the time."

 

Kinnear's opinion about Newcastle was countered by a spokesman for the regional development agency One North East. "The north-east is well known as one of the most welcoming areas of the UK. Last year Lonely Planet described the north-east as 'the most exciting, beautiful andfriendly region in the whole of England'."

 

Kinnear said he cannot see Shearer returning as manager while Ashley remains owner. "I would think Shearer would go back if new buyers come in," he said. "He won't under the present ownership. At the moment I wouldn't think there's any chance." The coach, Chris Hugh- ton, is fulfilling a caretaker role for now.

 

Kinnear also backed the striker Michael Owen to return to form at Manchester United, the club he joined last month after four disappointing seasons at Newcastle. "Michael will be a much better player alongside the type of players that Man United have got," he said at the launch of the new Championship Manager 2010 game. "Unfortunately we were just a workmanlike side, we didn't create enough chances for him. At Newcastle he got a little bit stale and disappointed with what he was playing with. I spoke to Alex [Ferguson] prior to Michael going there and I think the move will inspire him."

 

Kinnear said that Ferguson had inquired about Owen's "fitness level, nothing else". "Michael is only 29, people forget that," said Kinnear. "He's had some decent games for us but when we don't produce, he gets starved and it's tough for him. He just had to roll his sleeves up at Newcastle, they are not a glamour team. He has gone to a real glamour team now."

[Stuy_O]

Still trying to convince myself this is all one really bad dream.

[Ronaldo]

Just have to hope Pardew adopts the 'hide behind corners and jump out in front of him frequently' approach.

[Guest Bert Shaft]

Interview from 3 years ago

 

When I went into hospital, we were 13th with 13 games left. Everything was going in our favour.

 

All the other clubs were getting beat, and we were on a great run. It was looking an absolute doddle.

 

 

Just to remind all and sundry (as if they need reminding)

 

The Nurse Ratched dodgers  last 8 results -

Wigan (A) lost 2-1

Liverpool (H) lost 5-1

Hull (FAC R3) (A) drew 0-0

West Ham (H) drew 2-2

Hull (H) (FAC R3 Replay) lost 1-0

Blackburn (A) lost 3-0

Man City (A) lost 2-1

Sunderland (H) drew 1-1

 

If that silly old c*nt does read this forum, I would like to see him defend his comments and explain what is so great about 3 draws and 5 defeats from 8 games.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

Glad I didn't go, tbh.  Does sound a bit of a farce.

 

It sounds like a bunch of fans getting together trying to have a say in their club. I don't know what people expected.

 

Unfortunately I think the time for action has been and gone. Our support is just too fractious to be able to come together like a Spirit of Shankley type of way which, let's be honest, is the only way the supporters could be an effective force. The one and only time that our fans were able to get together and agree on something was post-KK, from which NUSC/T sprung. Great idea, badly executed which became consumed with 'owning' the club and then became a vanity project for Mr Jensen.

 

I'm just yet to hear anything that's been said by way of doing something.  It appears to have all been "I am not happy" and "I don't like Mike Ashley".

 

I thought there would be a call for fellow fans to stop buying merchandise and hit the club where it hurts.  It's just been an outline of problems with no solutions being offered.

[quayside]

Just an observation - I do not think that when JFK mentioned fan "forums" he was referring to anything on the internet. There is a definition of the word "forum" that reads "a public meeting place for open discussion" and it is this type of forum I believe JFK was alluding to. I would like to make it clear that I do not intend this post to be construed as any sort of offer by me to act as an interpreter for his public utterances (past, present or future). 

[David Icke - Son of God]

Glad I didn't go, tbh.  Does sound a bit of a farce.

 

It sounds like a bunch of fans getting together trying to have a say in their club. I don't know what people expected.

 

Unfortunately I think the time for action has been and gone. Our support is just too fractious to be able to come together like a Spirit of Shankley type of way which, let's be honest, is the only way the supporters could be an effective force. The one and only time that our fans were able to get together and agree on something was post-KK, from which NUSC/T sprung. Great idea, badly executed which became consumed with 'owning' the club and then became a vanity project for Mr Jensen.

 

I'm just yet to hear anything that's been said by way of doing something.  It appears to have all been "I am not happy" and "I don't like Mike Ashley".

 

I thought there would be a call for fellow fans to stop buying merchandise and hit the club where it hurts.  It's just been an outline of problems with no solutions being offered.

 

Thing is the minute you do anything like that you instantly alienate certain supporters because some just don't like being told what to do. NUSC discovered that when they tried to arrange boycotts etc. Until our support can sit down without bickering with one another then it's bets just left up to the individuals to do what they want.

 

Wraith has his faults ("I don't know if I've mentioned I'm an associate of the Krays") but he's been pretty up front in saying that the meeting was a chance for fans to voice their discontent when club staff were in the room. He's not working on some grand plan to unseat Ashley.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

Glad I didn't go, tbh.  Does sound a bit of a farce.

 

It sounds like a bunch of fans getting together trying to have a say in their club. I don't know what people expected.

 

Unfortunately I think the time for action has been and gone. Our support is just too fractious to be able to come together like a Spirit of Shankley type of way which, let's be honest, is the only way the supporters could be an effective force. The one and only time that our fans were able to get together and agree on something was post-KK, from which NUSC/T sprung. Great idea, badly executed which became consumed with 'owning' the club and then became a vanity project for Mr Jensen.

 

I'm just yet to hear anything that's been said by way of doing something.  It appears to have all been "I am not happy" and "I don't like Mike Ashley".

 

I thought there would be a call for fellow fans to stop buying merchandise and hit the club where it hurts.  It's just been an outline of problems with no solutions being offered.

 

Thing is the minute you do anything like that you instantly alienate certain supporters because some just don't like being told what to do. NUSC discovered that when they tried to arrange boycotts etc. Until our support can sit down without bickering with one another then it's bets just left up to the individuals to do what they want.

 

Wraith has his faults ("I don't know if I've mentioned I'm an associate of the Krays") but he's been pretty up front in saying that the meeting was a chance for fans to voice their discontent when club staff were in the room. He's not working on some grand plan to unseat Ashley.

 

They know we're discontented but those that were present will have next to no power to do anything.  The best we can hope for is that it will pressure someone further up in the club's hierarchy to attend next time and hear the concern first hand.

[David Icke - Son of God]

Glad I didn't go, tbh.  Does sound a bit of a farce.

 

It sounds like a bunch of fans getting together trying to have a say in their club. I don't know what people expected.

 

Unfortunately I think the time for action has been and gone. Our support is just too fractious to be able to come together like a Spirit of Shankley type of way which, let's be honest, is the only way the supporters could be an effective force. The one and only time that our fans were able to get together and agree on something was post-KK, from which NUSC/T sprung. Great idea, badly executed which became consumed with 'owning' the club and then became a vanity project for Mr Jensen.

 

I'm just yet to hear anything that's been said by way of doing something.  It appears to have all been "I am not happy" and "I don't like Mike Ashley".

 

I thought there would be a call for fellow fans to stop buying merchandise and hit the club where it hurts.  It's just been an outline of problems with no solutions being offered.

 

Thing is the minute you do anything like that you instantly alienate certain supporters because some just don't like being told what to do. NUSC discovered that when they tried to arrange boycotts etc. Until our support can sit down without bickering with one another then it's bets just left up to the individuals to do what they want.

 

Wraith has his faults ("I don't know if I've mentioned I'm an associate of the Krays") but he's been pretty up front in saying that the meeting was a chance for fans to voice their discontent when club staff were in the room. He's not working on some grand plan to unseat Ashley.

 

They know we're discontented but those that were present will have next to no power to do anything.  The best we can hope for is that it will pressure someone further up in the club's hierarchy to attend next time and hear the concern first hand.

 

Ashley's the only person that matters. He's not going to attend.