Theregulars Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 9 minutes ago, El Prontonise said: It taking 3+ minutes to get to a decision is precisely what's wrong with VAR. Make a decision and get on with the game. 3 minutes is generous, and they still regularly get the decision wrong. It’s not fit for purpose; the quid pro quo of ruining fun was accuracy. It’s not accurate. You can’t have goals ruled out because a hairstyle choice renders a player offside. Let’s pick a random shithouse, like Joshua Zirkzee. What is offside due to the size of his hair might not be offside to a bald a short-haired player, based on the tripe we’ve been served tonight. It’s absurd that goals, games, serious money and careers are being decided on this ludicrous basis. I see why they’ve tried it but it’s making the game markedly worse and not achieving its goals; plenty of great ideas have needed a rethink and a pause. Let’s remove it for now and let some body of boffins come up with something more equitable and sensible. None of this is to mention how often it seems to be used to favour the bigger named sides and give them fallbacks / ways out. Shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 It's shite. The purpose of the rule has just been completely lost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Theregulars said: 3 minutes is generous, and they still regularly get the decision wrong. It’s not fit for purpose; the quid pro quo of ruining fun was accuracy. It’s not accurate. You can’t have goals ruled out because a hairstyle choice renders a player offside. Let’s pick a random shithouse, like Joshua Zirkzee. What is offside due to the size of his hair might not be offside to a bald a short-haired player, based on the tripe we’ve been served tonight. It’s absurd that goals, games, serious money and careers are being decided on this ludicrous basis. I see why they’ve tried it but it’s making the game markedly worse and not achieving its goals; plenty of great ideas have needed a rethink and a pause. Let’s remove it for now and let some body of boffins come up with something more equitable and sensible. None of this is to mention how often it seems to be used to favour the bigger named sides and give them fallbacks / ways out. Shite. How about we just remove it and remind any daft cunt who wants it going forwards about how stupid the whole thing is? It has disrupted the pyramid structure of football and all because pundits and managers can’t stop fucking whining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 The inch of a forehead of JW did not give him any advantage to receive that ball and score there. How that is fixed in football is above my head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 I know for a fact that Michael Oliver ran around the VAR control room celebrating the Barnes winner v Leeds (he had been on another game). While that’s amusing as a Newcastle fan it’s also why this system doesn’t work. Too many relationships, too many conflicts of interest combined with rules never intended for this level of specificity and scrutiny. The whole thing is a mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 I’m deeply confused as to why body parts other than feet matter for offside. Feels like overcomplicating a simple decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Its pretty simple that 3mm of forehead is not an unfair advantage and if it takes a machine to micro-measure body parts then its unequivocally ridiculous to chalk it off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 6 hours ago, El Prontonise said: Just admit you'll have the odd error and get away with VAR and everything being done to ruin the game. Offsides have always been the hardest thing to call in football and linesman at the top were pretty good before the nonsense. And while not being the law, "daylight" was often used as the guideline. Change the law to daylight on paper then we might get away with it. I don't see the point in a law where Willock last night or Haaland up here last month can be considered as offside. It's literally guesswork and no unfair advantage being gained. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 I just want a straight answer to why the 5cm tolerance hasn’t been applied here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Absolutely bizarre that it's measured by a part of the body you can score with in any circumstance other than actually scoring. I could just about see an argument for "his forehead was offside" if the ball was played to his forehead and he scored with that touch, but a forehead being offside at the start of a run is ludicrously arbitrary decision making Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 16 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: And while not being the law, "daylight" was often used as the guideline. Change the law to daylight on paper then we might get away with it. I don't see the point in a law where Willock last night or Haaland up here last month can be considered as offside. It's literally guesswork and no unfair advantage being gained. Was that the goal where Haaland was a foot offside? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 14 minutes ago, Stifler said: Was that the goal where Haaland was a foot offside? It was about a centimetre of his heel? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said: It was about a centimetre of his heel? He was well past Pope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Maybe a foot but howay man, that's not trying to gain an unfair advantage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Another annoyance that may have been covered already but how is it all about errors being "clear and obvious" except for offside where a small shaving of head is enough to overturn an on-field decision? If you have to start drawing lines and spending 3+mins to work it out, it's not clear and obvious and you either go with the on-field decision or give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker. Goal-line tech I don't have an argument with because it's almost instantaneous and while it can be a close call, it's black or white with essentially no room for human error. The offside stuff is none of those things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) If either of the Willock or City goals are awarded I doubt the opposition would complain. My point has always been what's the point in a law where it's literal guesswork? Those are impossible for the linesmen to call, so just make it onside. Daylight you'll still have the lines and tight calls, but you can accept a call going against you more if it's half an inch of the back of his foot in it, you can accept he was trying to gain an "unfair" advantage there. That last night, though. Haaland last month. Nah. We had the backpass law changed after 100+ years in the early 90s and it's one of the best law changes the game has had. Offside should be next. . Edited February 11 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) Just sack the entire VAR cunt of a system off and accept that there’ll be some human errors, but the game will flow and fans will be able to live in the moment again. It’ll be no worse than it is now. There’s loads of fucking errors with VAR given that the offside rule wasn’t invented to be measured by millimetres and the moment in question replayed a billion times in slo mo from various angles. Can’t believe there’s anyone who has any genuine interest in football, not even just NUFC fans, who think that decisions like last night are for the good of the game and are improving the sport. Edited February 11 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 12 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: Just sack the entire VAR cunt of a system off and accept that there’ll be some human errors, but the game will flow and fans will be able to live in the moment again. It’ll be no worse than it is now. There’s loads of fucking errors with VAR given that the offside rule wasn’t invented to be measured by millimetres and the moment in question replayed a billion times in slo mo from various angles. Can’t believe there’s anyone who has any genuine interest in football, not even just NUFC fans, who think that decisions like last night are for the good of the game and are improving the sport. The decision for the offside Willock goal was shocking. That's because of a shite rule and shite officials. There are NO errors with VAR as it's a video replay. Stop blaming a video recording. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 How about changing the rule to whether the part of the body that touches the ball is offside? If it’s interference then currently rules apply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rod said: The decision for the offside Willock goal was shocking. That's because of a shite rule and shite officials. There are NO errors with VAR as it's a video replay. Stop blaming a video recording. Yee knaa what I mean Woderic. VAR is the catch all term for stopping the game to do a video review that often results in billions of replays, massive delays, decisions being reversed and decisions that are actually causing more frustration than the human error that a decision without any VAR would cause. The entire things needs firing into the sun. Edited February 11 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Optimistic Nut said: If either of the Willock or City goals are awarded I doubt the opposition would complain. My point has always been what's the point in a law where it's literal guesswork? Those are impossible for the linesmen to call, so just make it onside. Daylight you'll still have the lines and tight calls, but you can accept a call going against you more if it's half an inch of the back of his foot in it, you can accept he was trying to gain an "unfair" advantage there. That last night, though. Haaland last month. Nah. We had the backpass law changed after 100+ years in the early 90s and it's one of the best law changes the game has had. Offside should be next. . I agree, the issue is now they've got this semi automated offside system which means you have a detailed graphic to whether someone is offside or not, you can't really have a grey area when it comes to a computer making a decision. Just have it as it was before var. Edited February 11 by El Prontonise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rod said: The decision for the offside Willock goal was shocking. That's because of a shite rule and shite officials. There are NO errors with VAR as it's a video replay. Stop blaming a video recording. It's a 3d generated still now with the semi automated system. It's actually always been a still of some sort as it's when it leaves the player making the forward passes body. Edited February 11 by El Prontonise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewboy74 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Won't be long before we start seeing adverts on the screen during VAR reviews. Whole thing should be binned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) That's a great shout although I'm not sure who would want to associate themselves with shit that's ruining the game and pretty much everybody hates, but somebody will Edited February 11 by OpenC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Stifler said: He was well past Pope. It's Pope that's well past it 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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