Stewart Downing

[Cajun]

9 of those 11 players are still here so you sort of could say it does compare to what we have now?

 

I would also go out on a limb and say MYM/Saylor will be better than Williamson, Ba is a loss but Remy looked class last season and there is a better chance of him and Cisse forming a partnership.

 

It won't be enough to get us 5th. Based on last year there's too many players flattering to deceive whereas in the 5th season everyone played their part. 

 

The top 5 is pretty much a closed shop now but that doesn't mean our players who 'flatter to deceive' haven't already shown they have a higher ceiling than players like Nolan and Barton who will never manage it and given both are 31 this year they aren't likely to improve.

 

 

 

The new players did well for a few weeks then became spineless bottlers who clearly couldn't give a shit. I have nothing else to go on to suggest they'll be any different this year if things aren't going well 

 

Or maybe they did well initially playing the football the way had previously been coached, and then struggled once they tried to fit into Pardew's static, defensive lines and weird square pegs in round holes formations?

 

That only explains so much. I can't blame lack of effort and lack of basic footballing skills on tactics.

 

Fair enough. You think the French lads are bottlers and would rather revert to Nolans and Bartons and follow the Fat Sam model. I'm sure there are many who will agree with you, but I would like us to play top 6 football and I don't believe they are top 6 footballers, neither is Pardew a top 6 manager. So while we are both agreed things aren't good enough, the difference is I don't want to settle for Fat Sam football.

 

[Jack Flash]

9 of those 11 players are still here so you sort of could say it does compare to what we have now?

 

I would also go out on a limb and say MYM/Saylor will be better than Williamson, Ba is a loss but Remy looked class last season and there is a better chance of him and Cisse forming a partnership.

 

It won't be enough to get us 5th. Based on last year there's too many players flattering to deceive whereas in the 5th season everyone played their part. 

 

The top 5 is pretty much a closed shop now but that doesn't mean our players who 'flatter to deceive' haven't already shown they have a higher ceiling than players like Nolan and Barton who will never manage it and given both are 31 this year they aren't likely to improve.

 

 

 

The new players did well for a few weeks then became spineless bottlers who clearly couldn't give a shit. I have nothing else to go on to suggest they'll be any different this year if things aren't going well 

 

Or maybe they did well initially playing the football the way had previously been coached, and then struggled once they tried to fit into Pardew's static, defensive lines and weird square pegs in round holes formations?

 

That only explains so much. I can't blame lack of effort and lack of basic footballing skills on tactics.

 

Fair enough. You think the French lads are bottlers and would rather revert to Nolans and Bartons and follow the Fat Sam model. I'm sure there are many who will agree with you, but I would like us to play top 6 football and I don't believe they are top 6 footballers, neither is Pardew a top 6 manager. So while we are both agreed things aren't good enough, the difference is I don't want to settle for Fat Sam football.

 

Is that deliberate or just stupidity?

[TRon]

9 of those 11 players are still here so you sort of could say it does compare to what we have now?

 

I would also go out on a limb and say MYM/Saylor will be better than Williamson, Ba is a loss but Remy looked class last season and there is a better chance of him and Cisse forming a partnership.

 

It won't be enough to get us 5th. Based on last year there's too many players flattering to deceive whereas in the 5th season everyone played their part. 

 

The top 5 is pretty much a closed shop now but that doesn't mean our players who 'flatter to deceive' haven't already shown they have a higher ceiling than players like Nolan and Barton who will never manage it and given both are 31 this year they aren't likely to improve.

 

 

 

The new players did well for a few weeks then became spineless bottlers who clearly couldn't give a shit. I have nothing else to go on to suggest they'll be any different this year if things aren't going well 

 

Or maybe they did well initially playing the football the way had previously been coached, and then struggled once they tried to fit into Pardew's static, defensive lines and weird square pegs in round holes formations?

 

That only explains so much. I can't blame lack of effort and lack of basic footballing skills on tactics.

 

Fair enough. You think the French lads are bottlers and would rather revert to Nolans and Bartons and follow the Fat Sam model. I'm sure there are many who will agree with you, but I would like us to play top 6 football and I don't believe they are top 6 footballers, neither is Pardew a top 6 manager. So while we are both agreed things aren't good enough, the difference is I don't want to settle for Fat Sam football.

 

Is that deliberate or just stupidity?

 

What is you have a problem with?

 

 

[Jack Flash]

9 of those 11 players are still here so you sort of could say it does compare to what we have now?

 

I would also go out on a limb and say MYM/Saylor will be better than Williamson, Ba is a loss but Remy looked class last season and there is a better chance of him and Cisse forming a partnership.

 

It won't be enough to get us 5th. Based on last year there's too many players flattering to deceive whereas in the 5th season everyone played their part. 

 

The top 5 is pretty much a closed shop now but that doesn't mean our players who 'flatter to deceive' haven't already shown they have a higher ceiling than players like Nolan and Barton who will never manage it and given both are 31 this year they aren't likely to improve.

 

 

 

The new players did well for a few weeks then became spineless bottlers who clearly couldn't give a shit. I have nothing else to go on to suggest they'll be any different this year if things aren't going well 

 

Or maybe they did well initially playing the football the way had previously been coached, and then struggled once they tried to fit into Pardew's static, defensive lines and weird square pegs in round holes formations?

 

That only explains so much. I can't blame lack of effort and lack of basic footballing skills on tactics.

 

Fair enough. You think the French lads are bottlers and would rather revert to Nolans and Bartons and follow the Fat Sam model. I'm sure there are many who will agree with you, but I would like us to play top 6 football and I don't believe they are top 6 footballers, neither is Pardew a top 6 manager. So while we are both agreed things aren't good enough, the difference is I don't want to settle for Fat Sam football.

 

Is that deliberate or just stupidity?

 

What is you have a problem with?

 

 

 

Stupidity then.

 

Can you point out where I've said half the stuff you've credited me with?

[Guest Phil K]

The new players did well for a few weeks then became spineless bottlers who clearly couldn't give a s***. I have nothing else to go on to suggest they'll be any different this year if things aren't going well 

Pardew's incompetence woold test anyone let alone some just arrived Frenchmen to be fair. At least Nolan et al had, if not a great manager, a middling one in Hughton

Although reading some comments on here, Pardew's held in High esteem by those self same "bottling" Frenchmen. Wouldn't believe it from their performances from April onwards, but....

[TRon]

9 of those 11 players are still here so you sort of could say it does compare to what we have now?

 

I would also go out on a limb and say MYM/Saylor will be better than Williamson, Ba is a loss but Remy looked class last season and there is a better chance of him and Cisse forming a partnership.

 

It won't be enough to get us 5th. Based on last year there's too many players flattering to deceive whereas in the 5th season everyone played their part. 

 

The top 5 is pretty much a closed shop now but that doesn't mean our players who 'flatter to deceive' haven't already shown they have a higher ceiling than players like Nolan and Barton who will never manage it and given both are 31 this year they aren't likely to improve.

 

 

 

The new players did well for a few weeks then became spineless bottlers who clearly couldn't give a shit. I have nothing else to go on to suggest they'll be any different this year if things aren't going well 

 

Or maybe they did well initially playing the football the way had previously been coached, and then struggled once they tried to fit into Pardew's static, defensive lines and weird square pegs in round holes formations?

 

That only explains so much. I can't blame lack of effort and lack of basic footballing skills on tactics.

 

Fair enough. You think the French lads are bottlers and would rather revert to Nolans and Bartons and follow the Fat Sam model. I'm sure there are many who will agree with you, but I would like us to play top 6 football and I don't believe they are top 6 footballers, neither is Pardew a top 6 manager. So while we are both agreed things aren't good enough, the difference is I don't want to settle for Fat Sam football.

 

Is that deliberate or just stupidity?

 

What is you have a problem with?

 

 

 

Stupidity then.

 

Can you point out where I've said half the stuff you've credited me with?

 

You are the one who keeps bigging up Nolan while slagging off our current midfielders. Nolan is a Fat Sam favourite and he works well with a good big target man and the long ball game. What conclusion are we supposed to draw then? Do you think Nolan would work well in a fast passing side with the ball on the deck?

 

 

[Jack Flash]

9 of those 11 players are still here so you sort of could say it does compare to what we have now?

 

I would also go out on a limb and say MYM/Saylor will be better than Williamson, Ba is a loss but Remy looked class last season and there is a better chance of him and Cisse forming a partnership.

 

It won't be enough to get us 5th. Based on last year there's too many players flattering to deceive whereas in the 5th season everyone played their part. 

 

The top 5 is pretty much a closed shop now but that doesn't mean our players who 'flatter to deceive' haven't already shown they have a higher ceiling than players like Nolan and Barton who will never manage it and given both are 31 this year they aren't likely to improve.

 

 

 

The new players did well for a few weeks then became spineless bottlers who clearly couldn't give a shit. I have nothing else to go on to suggest they'll be any different this year if things aren't going well 

 

Or maybe they did well initially playing the football the way had previously been coached, and then struggled once they tried to fit into Pardew's static, defensive lines and weird square pegs in round holes formations?

 

That only explains so much. I can't blame lack of effort and lack of basic footballing skills on tactics.

 

Fair enough. You think the French lads are bottlers and would rather revert to Nolans and Bartons and follow the Fat Sam model. I'm sure there are many who will agree with you, but I would like us to play top 6 football and I don't believe they are top 6 footballers, neither is Pardew a top 6 manager. So while we are both agreed things aren't good enough, the difference is I don't want to settle for Fat Sam football.

 

Is that deliberate or just stupidity?

 

What is you have a problem with?

 

 

 

Stupidity then.

 

Can you point out where I've said half the stuff you've credited me with?

 

You are the one who keeps bigging up Nolan while slagging off our current midfielders. Nolan is a Fat Sam favourite and he works well with a good big target man and the long ball game. What conclusion are we supposed to draw then? Do you think Nolan would work well in a fast passing side with the ball on the deck?

 

 

 

I haven't mentioned Nolan in relation to our current midfielders at all. I also haven't said we should sign him or play Big Sam football.

 

Baffling.

[TRon]

9 of those 11 players are still here so you sort of could say it does compare to what we have now?

 

I would also go out on a limb and say MYM/Saylor will be better than Williamson, Ba is a loss but Remy looked class last season and there is a better chance of him and Cisse forming a partnership.

 

It won't be enough to get us 5th. Based on last year there's too many players flattering to deceive whereas in the 5th season everyone played their part. 

 

The top 5 is pretty much a closed shop now but that doesn't mean our players who 'flatter to deceive' haven't already shown they have a higher ceiling than players like Nolan and Barton who will never manage it and given both are 31 this year they aren't likely to improve.

 

 

 

The new players did well for a few weeks then became spineless bottlers who clearly couldn't give a shit. I have nothing else to go on to suggest they'll be any different this year if things aren't going well 

 

Or maybe they did well initially playing the football the way had previously been coached, and then struggled once they tried to fit into Pardew's static, defensive lines and weird square pegs in round holes formations?

 

That only explains so much. I can't blame lack of effort and lack of basic footballing skills on tactics.

 

Fair enough. You think the French lads are bottlers and would rather revert to Nolans and Bartons and follow the Fat Sam model. I'm sure there are many who will agree with you, but I would like us to play top 6 football and I don't believe they are top 6 footballers, neither is Pardew a top 6 manager. So while we are both agreed things aren't good enough, the difference is I don't want to settle for Fat Sam football.

 

Is that deliberate or just stupidity?

 

What is you have a problem with?

 

 

 

Stupidity then.

 

Can you point out where I've said half the stuff you've credited me with?

 

You are the one who keeps bigging up Nolan while slagging off our current midfielders. Nolan is a Fat Sam favourite and he works well with a good big target man and the long ball game. What conclusion are we supposed to draw then? Do you think Nolan would work well in a fast passing side with the ball on the deck?

 

 

 

I haven't mentioned Nolan in relation to our current midfielders at all. I also haven't said we should sign him or play Big Sam football.

 

Baffling.

 

Did I just imagine you praising Nolan's achievements over Ben Arfa's then here then? Or arguing that Fat Sam's Hammers were unlucky not to finish 8th? Or the Nolan avatar in your profile? So you are doing all this because you don't rate Fat Sam tactics and Nolan above our players then?

[Deuce]

Yeah Jack, whaddya have to say to that, Jack?!?! You greasy fuck. You piglet bitch...

 

 

 

 

What utter garbage. Who gives a fuck, honestly.

[Jack Flash]

9 of those 11 players are still here so you sort of could say it does compare to what we have now?

 

I would also go out on a limb and say MYM/Saylor will be better than Williamson, Ba is a loss but Remy looked class last season and there is a better chance of him and Cisse forming a partnership.

 

It won't be enough to get us 5th. Based on last year there's too many players flattering to deceive whereas in the 5th season everyone played their part. 

 

The top 5 is pretty much a closed shop now but that doesn't mean our players who 'flatter to deceive' haven't already shown they have a higher ceiling than players like Nolan and Barton who will never manage it and given both are 31 this year they aren't likely to improve.

 

 

 

The new players did well for a few weeks then became spineless bottlers who clearly couldn't give a shit. I have nothing else to go on to suggest they'll be any different this year if things aren't going well 

 

Or maybe they did well initially playing the football the way had previously been coached, and then struggled once they tried to fit into Pardew's static, defensive lines and weird square pegs in round holes formations?

 

That only explains so much. I can't blame lack of effort and lack of basic footballing skills on tactics.

 

Fair enough. You think the French lads are bottlers and would rather revert to Nolans and Bartons and follow the Fat Sam model. I'm sure there are many who will agree with you, but I would like us to play top 6 football and I don't believe they are top 6 footballers, neither is Pardew a top 6 manager. So while we are both agreed things aren't good enough, the difference is I don't want to settle for Fat Sam football.

 

Is that deliberate or just stupidity?

 

What is you have a problem with?

 

 

 

Stupidity then.

 

Can you point out where I've said half the stuff you've credited me with?

 

You are the one who keeps bigging up Nolan while slagging off our current midfielders. Nolan is a Fat Sam favourite and he works well with a good big target man and the long ball game. What conclusion are we supposed to draw then? Do you think Nolan would work well in a fast passing side with the ball on the deck?

 

 

 

I haven't mentioned Nolan in relation to our current midfielders at all. I also haven't said we should sign him or play Big Sam football.

 

Baffling.

 

Did I just imagine you praising Nolan's achievements over Ben Arfa's then here then? Or arguing that Fat Sam's Hammers were unlucky not to finish 8th? Or the Nolan avatar in your profile? So you are doing all this because you don't rate Fat Sam tactics and Nolan above our players then?

 

Nolan has done more for us than Ben Arfa has.

They were a few points off 8th.

wormy had a picture of an anal exam as his avatar for ages.

Last bit is brain dead nonsense you've imagined.

 

Tedious in the fucking extreme. Just drop it now.

[TRon]

9 of those 11 players are still here so you sort of could say it does compare to what we have now?

 

I would also go out on a limb and say MYM/Saylor will be better than Williamson, Ba is a loss but Remy looked class last season and there is a better chance of him and Cisse forming a partnership.

 

It won't be enough to get us 5th. Based on last year there's too many players flattering to deceive whereas in the 5th season everyone played their part. 

 

The top 5 is pretty much a closed shop now but that doesn't mean our players who 'flatter to deceive' haven't already shown they have a higher ceiling than players like Nolan and Barton who will never manage it and given both are 31 this year they aren't likely to improve.

 

 

 

The new players did well for a few weeks then became spineless bottlers who clearly couldn't give a shit. I have nothing else to go on to suggest they'll be any different this year if things aren't going well 

 

Or maybe they did well initially playing the football the way had previously been coached, and then struggled once they tried to fit into Pardew's static, defensive lines and weird square pegs in round holes formations?

 

That only explains so much. I can't blame lack of effort and lack of basic footballing skills on tactics.

 

Fair enough. You think the French lads are bottlers and would rather revert to Nolans and Bartons and follow the Fat Sam model. I'm sure there are many who will agree with you, but I would like us to play top 6 football and I don't believe they are top 6 footballers, neither is Pardew a top 6 manager. So while we are both agreed things aren't good enough, the difference is I don't want to settle for Fat Sam football.

 

Is that deliberate or just stupidity?

 

What is you have a problem with?

 

 

 

Stupidity then.

 

Can you point out where I've said half the stuff you've credited me with?

 

You are the one who keeps bigging up Nolan while slagging off our current midfielders. Nolan is a Fat Sam favourite and he works well with a good big target man and the long ball game. What conclusion are we supposed to draw then? Do you think Nolan would work well in a fast passing side with the ball on the deck?

 

 

 

I haven't mentioned Nolan in relation to our current midfielders at all. I also haven't said we should sign him or play Big Sam football.

 

Baffling.

 

Did I just imagine you praising Nolan's achievements over Ben Arfa's then here then? Or arguing that Fat Sam's Hammers were unlucky not to finish 8th? Or the Nolan avatar in your profile? So you are doing all this because you don't rate Fat Sam tactics and Nolan above our players then?

 

Nolan has done more for us than Ben Arfa has.

They were a few points off 8th.

wormy had a picture of an anal exam as his avatar for ages.

Last bit is brain dead nonsense you've imagined.

 

Tedious in the fucking extreme. Just drop it now.

 

Sorry for that mate, I was just reading your words praising West Ham and Nolan/slagging our footballers and drawing a logical conclusion. Obviously you meant something completely different so I'll leave it at that.

[Jack Flash]

I called Nolan (and their other players ) average just a few pages back 

[Teasy]

9 of those 11 players are still here so you sort of could say it does compare to what we have now?

 

I would also go out on a limb and say MYM/Saylor will be better than Williamson, Ba is a loss but Remy looked class last season and there is a better chance of him and Cisse forming a partnership.

 

It won't be enough to get us 5th. Based on last year there's too many players flattering to deceive whereas in the 5th season everyone played their part. 

 

The top 5 is pretty much a closed shop now but that doesn't mean our players who 'flatter to deceive' haven't already shown they have a higher ceiling than players like Nolan and Barton who will never manage it and given both are 31 this year they aren't likely to improve.

 

 

 

The new players did well for a few weeks then became spineless bottlers who clearly couldn't give a shit. I have nothing else to go on to suggest they'll be any different this year if things aren't going well 

 

Or maybe they did well initially playing the football the way had previously been coached, and then struggled once they tried to fit into Pardew's static, defensive lines and weird square pegs in round holes formations?

 

That only explains so much. I can't blame lack of effort and lack of basic footballing skills on tactics.

 

It explains a lot IMO, almost every player for us could be accused of looking like they lacked effort and basic skills in certain games last season (in some games almost every player at the same time).  That includes about 90% of the players who helped us finished 5th by all pulling their weight the season before.  So during January basically every player we have is looking like a bottler (despite looking like winners the season before) and just coincidentally every player we sign that month is a bottler?  Isn't it more reasonable to think that those players, just like the players who helped us finish 5th the season before, were simply struggling to play in a fundamentally tactically flawed side with morale through the floor?

[alexf]

Ben Arfa did help us push close to a top 4 finish. But agree Nolan did a lot for this club in it's time of need and Ben Arfa needs to stay fit for a season before he can have a proper impact. 

 

To be fair Ben Arfa would probably have torn up the championship though

[SEMTEX]

[Teasy]

West Ham paying £8m for Downing apparently

[Fenham Mag]

I liked it when Nolan was captain and he went on liverpoolTV and said that Andy Carroll was right to sign for them

 

It was an honour.

[Cajun]

West Ham paying £8m for Downing apparently

 

Really missed out there

[Fenham Mag]

West Ham paying £8m for Downing apparently

 

Really missed out there

 

Stepped aside marra.

 

Fair play to who ever is in charge of Liverpool's transfers, it was obviously a priority to get a fee on Downing, mission accomplished. Ashley must be frothing at his gash.

[Guest bimpy474]

£8m, really ?. I'd say that's just about £8m too much.

[Cajun]

£8m, really ?. I'd say that's just about £8m too much.

 

You're looking at £20m including the wages, signing on and agent fees. That would be the summer and winter budget done.

[LucaAltieri]

Thank fuck for that.

[Guest bimpy474]

£8m, really ?. I'd say that's just about £8m too much.

 

You're looking at £20m including the wages, signing on and agent fees. That would be the summer and winter budget done.

 

West Ham are mental, they're spending that money to finish 10th or so. Just average, as is every team Big Sam builds.

[Disco]

£8m, really ?. I'd say that's just about £8m too much.

 

You're looking at £20m including the wages, signing on and agent fees. That would be the summer and winter budget done.

 

West Ham are mental, they're spending that money to finish 10th or so. Just average, as is every team Big Sam builds.

 

You can say that about half league though.

 

Why should we bother with Gomis, he'll likely cost similar all in all - just too finish 10th. What a waste. Save the cash and finish a little lower down.

[Guest bimpy474]

£8m, really ?. I'd say that's just about £8m too much.

 

You're looking at £20m including the wages, signing on and agent fees. That would be the summer and winter budget done.

 

West Ham are mental, they're spending that money to finish 10th or so. Just average, as is every team Big Sam builds.

 

You can say that about half league though.

 

Why should we bother with Gomis, he'll likely cost similar all in all - just too finish 10th. What a waste. Save the cash and finish a little lower down.

 

I didn't really put it right did i, what i meant was they are buying very average players. If you were going to spend £8m, spend on a little gem that'll improve your team, not on a bang average footballer.

 

I suppose i mean, West Ham are spending money on average players, when they could spend it on better ones at the prices they're paying for the shite ones.