Infinitely Content Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Short memories. Dummett was superb for large parts last season. To the point we didn't miss Lejeune at all from the Palace game onwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Short memories. Dummett was superb for large parts last season. To the point we didn't miss Lejeune at all from the Palace game onwards. He's ok certainly nothing special and his limitations in his passing and attacking play are massive. We have needed an upgrade for a few year in this area and nothing has changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Short memories. Dummett was superb for large parts last season. To the point we didn't miss Lejeune at all from the Palace game onwards. I agree with what your saying, but he only played 20 games last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Short memories. Dummett was superb for large parts last season. To the point we didn't miss Lejeune at all from the Palace game onwards. He's ok certainly nothing special and his limitations in his passing and attacking play are massive. We have needed an upgrade for a few year in this area and nothing has changed. Yes, he's no wing back, but to say things like most limited Premier League player ever and that he is shite without exception is absurd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Short memories. Dummett was superb for large parts last season. To the point we didn't miss Lejeune at all from the Palace game onwards. I agree with what your saying, but he only played 20 games last season. I'm not sure how that changes the point I'm making? When he played last season he put in some MOTM performances in a team of players performing largely to a high standard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Willems is completely flat-footed. You can't tell me he was completely unaware of Maitland-Niles closing him down, either. If he was, then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Disagree. I thought once Lejeune was out, the way we carried the ball out declined. It pretty much all had to come from Schar, and rather than the diagonal ball being two pronged (Schar right to left & Lejeune left to right), opposition were able to set up. Rondon & Perez were magic from then on and the team organisation saw us through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Willems is completely flat-footed. You can't tell me he was completely unaware of Maitland-Niles closing him down, either. If he was, then Still maintain it was a bit of fault with both for the goal. Poor pass and Willems being caught out. You can then add as mentioned before Lascelles and Schar being out of position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinoasprilla Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 It was both the point on dummet is its every game his passing damages us. He is slow and ponderous on the ball. He rarely played it forward and if he does it's a hoof. Not sure when he was man of the match. I remember being at the Southampton game at home. We won but he was dreadful My personal view I rate fernandez and Clark more highly. Hoping he gets dropped but reckon Bruce might play him even ahead of Lejeune. Get the impression him and Ritchie are written on his team sheet in permanent marker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzgerald Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Bruce's British boys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Weak as piss pass and the new guy was caught flat footed. Shame on both Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Disagree. I thought once Lejeune was out, the way we carried the ball out declined. It pretty much all had to come from Schar, and rather than the diagonal ball being two pronged (Schar right to left & Lejeune left to right), opposition were able to set up. Rondon & Perez were magic from then on and the team organisation saw us through. See Newcastle 3 Southampton 1 two weeks later. Dummett absolutely outstanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 If Willems had moved towards the ball when he should have, he'd have got there easily. Instead he hesitated. I couldn't believe it when he stood there and waited for the ball to come to him. In fairness to the guy, he looked nervous from the start. Hopefully there's better to come from him. Dummett in a three man central defence is fine. His pace is very valuable there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Players are not the problem, Bruce is the problem, if Rafa came back tommorow this team would comfortably avoid relegation. With Bruce's tactics of a 5 man defence and three holding midfielders against the worst Arsenal 11 I have every seen at Newcastle and the the idea of throwing players on the pitch to chase the game we are already down. 2/1 to go down before the Norwich result? Time to invest I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 People blaming his pass for that goal man standing and waiting for the ball to reach you is absolutely criminal at Sunday league level, never mind in the premier league. Willems was fast asleep and 100% to blame for that ball being intercepted, I think Dummet's a shite passer in general but that's not even fractionally his fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 People blaming his pass for that goal man standing and waiting for the ball to reach you is absolutely criminal at Sunday league level, never mind in the premier league. Willems was fast asleep and 100% to blame for that ball being intercepted, I think Dummet's a s**** passer in general but that's not even fractionally his fault. You can bleat as much as you want, the pass was poor and if you look at official match reports from a few papers papers they are saying the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyne81 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Amazes me how many people rate Dummett, goes to show how much our expectations have been decimated over the Ashley years. He can defend ok now and then but Rafa has had the defence drilled to a tee. Dummett is shocking on the ball and I cannot see him in the starting line up for any other team in this league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 People blaming his pass for that goal man standing and waiting for the ball to reach you is absolutely criminal at Sunday league level, never mind in the premier league. Willems was fast asleep and 100% to blame for that ball being intercepted, I think Dummet's a s**** passer in general but that's not even fractionally his fault. You can bleat as much as you want, the pass was poor and if you look at official match reports from a few papers papers they are saying the same. So what, just because someone writes a match report doen't mean they understand football It's like commentators, you can tell most of them don't either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Clearly the pass was piss poor, while at the same time Willems should clearly have recognized that and moved towards the ball. If Dummett hadn't messed up his pass, Willems wouldn't have a mistake to make. If Willems was a tiny bit pro active, as he should have been, the pass wouldn't have been intercepted. Both at fault for the goal. Some people will however always only look at the last action that led to the goal and put full responsibility on that action alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 It was comical from willems, waiting for the ball to reach you is schoolboy stuff, embarrassing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I thought it was Dummett's fault when I first saw it, but watching it back it's clearly Willem's fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Clearly the pass was p*ss poor, while at the same time Willems should clearly have recognized that and moved towards the ball. If Dummett hadn't messed up his pass, Willems wouldn't have a mistake to make. If Willems was a tiny bit pro active, as he should have been, the pass wouldn't have been intercepted. Both at fault for the goal. Some people will however always only look at the last action that led to the goal and put full responsibility on that action alone. Exactly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I'm gonna have another look later, but it seemed like the pass was fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Yimentov Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 The pass was short insomuch as it did require Willems to come and meet it. But it wasn't a 50-50. It was a 99-1. A schoolboy would've taken two steps forward and met the ball. It was Willems' fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 If Jetro moves toward the ball like any normal player, nothing comes of the situation and this thread is on the third page where it belongs. The guy actively moved away from it and then stood still. Maitland-Niles makes up about 15 yards in this time. Dummett is fine defensively and the only centreback with any pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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