timeEd32 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I think Wijnaldum, De Jong, and Mitrovic will all have leadership qualities about them. Mitrovic in a bit of a different way. It might take a little while for it to come through for them though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 If we could somehow get him for nowt and he just turned up at the training ground as a Newcastle player, I'd be like "sound." I'm not advocating we go out and sign him, as such. It doesn't matter anyway - it'll never happen. The point I was making is that I don't see anyone in the dressing room who's going to galvanise the rest of the squad into actually fighting for something. Think that's a myth tbh, the whole caring and fighting bollocks anyway. Just think we haven't been good enough for a long time and an easy cop out is they don't care or up for it, when in reality IMO anyway is that they just haven't been good enough fullstop. This unfortunately, and that doesn't just go for the playing squad sadly. The none playing staff was actually the biggest area where we weren't good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 The three players from the big 3 in Holland that we have seem like leaders going by what they've done in the past and how Janmaat did here first season. Mitrovic from the cameo he showed on Saturday doesn't seem the type that will put up with any shit despite his young age. I don't think it's as bad as made out tbh. As someone else said further up, a lot imo has been down to poor tactics and players simply not good enough rather than any lack of spirit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Obviously I'm not gonna deny that the mismanagement has been wholesale for at least two and a half years; but you can't honestly sit there and say, after last season's disgusting run, that there wasn't a problem with the spirit of the squad. We need someone to keep the momentum up at pitch level once we've hit that 36 point mark. Maybe he's already in the squad, but as I say, I've no idea who it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Personally i'd go for Bowyer. HTL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Who were the leaders when we had our best season since finishing top 4? We just had a group of very good players in form (Krul, Colo, Cabaye, HBA, Cisse, Ba...) playing very well and results took care of themselves. Don't see why the likes of De Jong, Mbemba, Wijnaldum, Mitrovic, etc. can't emulate that. I'm not saying they could reach top 6 because we were also helped along by the fact Chelsea had a relative stinker in the league and Liverpool were all over the place with Dalglish in charge but they could still do well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Obviously I'm not gonna deny that the mismanagement has been wholesale for at least two and a half years; but you can't honestly sit there and say, after last season's disgusting run, that there wasn't a problem with the spirit of the squad. We need someone to keep the momentum up at pitch level once we've hit that 36 point mark. Maybe he's already in the squad, but as I say, I've no idea who it is. The Dutch trio and our Dutch manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Who were the leaders when we had our best season since finishing top 4? We just had a group of very good players in form (Krul, Colo, Cabaye, HBA, Cisse, Ba...) playing very well and results took care of themselves. Don't see why the likes of De Jong, Mbemba, Wijnaldum, Mitrovic, etc. can't emulate that. Depends what you mean by emulate that, because i don't particularly believe these players are as good as the previous ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 What about that big bearded bugger who is here to inspire? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Who were the leaders when we had our best season since finishing top 4? We just had a group of very good players in form (Krul, Colo, Cabaye, HBA, Cisse, Ba...) playing very well and results took care of themselves. Don't see why the likes of De Jong, Mbemba, Wijnaldum, Mitrovic, etc. can't emulate that. I'm not saying they could reach top 6 because we were also helped along by the fact Chelsea had a relative stinker in the league and Liverpool were all over the place with Dalglish in charge but they could still do well. The club wasn't relentlessly trying to not-succeed then, though. There was some momentum; we even signed a player without selling someone, with the intention if getting in the top 4. The club does not give a solitary shit these days and I fear it will filter down again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Who were the leaders when we had our best season since finishing top 4? We just had a group of very good players in form (Krul, Colo, Cabaye, HBA, Cisse, Ba...) playing very well and results took care of themselves. Don't see why the likes of De Jong, Mbemba, Wijnaldum, Mitrovic, etc. can't emulate that. Depends what you mean by emulate that, because i don't particularly believe these players are as good as the previous ones. Could argue Mitrovic replaced Ba, Wijnaldum & Cabaye's reputations & achievements seem very similar, doubt anyone will emulate Ben Arfa but there's still comparisons to be made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Who were the leaders when we had our best season since finishing top 4? We just had a group of very good players in form (Krul, Colo, Cabaye, HBA, Cisse, Ba...) playing very well and results took care of themselves. Don't see why the likes of De Jong, Mbemba, Wijnaldum, Mitrovic, etc. can't emulate that. I'm not saying they could reach top 6 because we were also helped along by the fact Chelsea had a relative stinker in the league and Liverpool were all over the place with Dalglish in charge but they could still do well. The club wasn't relentlessly trying to not-succeed then, though. There was some momentum; we even signed a player without selling someone, with the intention if getting in the top 4. The club does not give a solitary s*** these days and I fear it will filter down again . How much of the Cisse transfer was more to do with covering Ba's inevitable £7.5m clause being met? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Cba to go all meta - I just don't think that season can be used as a barometer for the mental status of the current squad. The bones of the club we have now were there - but it WAS operating differently at that point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Not 'meta'. I don't know what word I'm looking for tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 We were also still a Championship team on the whole before that summer and also selling 3 first team players as well in Enrique, Nolan & Barton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 About 2 good years combined out of 8 if we're generous. (A spell under Keegan, half a season with Carroll to aim at and a half decent year in France), and people would have him back and still like him. :'( This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Who were the leaders when we had our best season since finishing top 4? We just had a group of very good players in form (Krul, Colo, Cabaye, HBA, Cisse, Ba...) playing very well and results took care of themselves. Don't see why the likes of De Jong, Mbemba, Wijnaldum, Mitrovic, etc. can't emulate that. Depends what you mean by emulate that, because i don't particularly believe these players are as good as the previous ones. Could argue Mitrovic replaced Ba, Wijnaldum & Cabaye's reputations & achievements seem very similar, doubt anyone will emulate Ben Arfa but there's still comparisons to be made. That's the thing, he and Cisse looking like the Premier League's answer to Samuel fucking Eto'o was the difference between nearly qualifying for the CL and faltering to around 8th or 9th which is probably what would have happened otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Yorkie ... why?! Please stop it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 York needs to release some stress Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Player recruitment simply not good enough as yet. I like the look of the 3 new players coming in but it's their usual risky strategy to rely on them completely for an upturn in form. The Jetro Willems link came from one of the Dutch players at the club so there must be some truth in it. Whether that means he actually arrives is anyone's guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Where have you heard that about Willems? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Where have you heard that about Willems? My mate knows one of the existing players very well and has been working with some of the new lads recently. One of the Dutch lads mentioned Willems to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Fair play. Mentioned as a good player or as an actual club target? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Fair play. Mentioned as a good player or as an actual club target? Both. But given how we operate in the TF market that doesn't mean he'll arrive does it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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