brummie Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Magpie said: Michael Beale. He is the only reason Gerrard has had any success at management. As soon as he left in the summer he was toast. it got worse when Beale left but we weren’t exactly playing total football when he was here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, brummie said: it got worse when Beale left but we weren’t exactly playing total football when he was here. I would probably put that down to Steeeeeevie overruling him more than anything else, the egotistical prick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 His media mates diving in to defend him is going to be awful. 36 points from 38 games. Top scorer this season is on 1 goal. joined with us in 16th, currently in 17th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Mazzy said: For such a "big club" he seems to have to mention alot what a "big club" Villa are. To be fair, we do plenty of the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Gutted The clubs around you doing hilariously shite is one of the great joys of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, cubaricho said: To be fair, we do plenty of the same. As fans we may do. But I can't say I've seen the local media do it, at least not to the extent he does it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 They could have waited until we played them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Brave Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10192591/amp/Steven-Gerrard-Aston-Villa-perfect-fit-Newcastle-blew-chance-appointing-him.html MARTIN SAMUEL: Steven Gerrard is ideal for Aston Villa, he gives them more clout and he can be a game-changer... Newcastle missed a trick - he could have been theirs had they been bold Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, Dancing Brave said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10192591/amp/Steven-Gerrard-Aston-Villa-perfect-fit-Newcastle-blew-chance-appointing-him.html MARTIN SAMUEL: Steven Gerrard is ideal for Aston Villa, he gives them more clout and he can be a game-changer... Newcastle missed a trick - he could have been theirs had they been bold Anyone who pays any attention to anything whatsoever that Martin Samuel shits out of his stupid fucking mouth deserves everything they get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, Dancing Brave said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10192591/amp/Steven-Gerrard-Aston-Villa-perfect-fit-Newcastle-blew-chance-appointing-him.html MARTIN SAMUEL: Steven Gerrard is ideal for Aston Villa, he gives them more clout and he can be a game-changer... Newcastle missed a trick - he could have been theirs had they been bold This is the best part - "Bringing Gerrard to Tyneside may have delivered scenes nearer to Kevin Keegan's homecoming" Err No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk_lfc Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 8 hours ago, 54 said: Still early days to judge how good Michael Beale is going to be, especially at the particular level. But he has earned that job. Started at Chelsea at the U7 role worked his way up. Moved to Liverpool to coach the U16, then worked his way up to the U23. Took up an assistant manager position in Brazil. He has really put in the hours and earned all the jobs he got. By all accounts, he was a wonderful youth team coach. Will be very interesting to see how his career progresses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) Bit of a shame but he shouldn't have jumped the gun at the first opportunity to leave a good job to go somewhere with little room for improvement. Shot his bolt now re Liverpool and will have to start over. Wontt get somewhere where you get the same level of achievement (on paper) as Rangers. They might have him back and that's his best bet probably. Edited October 20, 2022 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jonas said: Bit of a shame but he shouldn't have jumped the gun at the first opportunity to leave a good job to go somewhere with little room for improvement. Shot his bolt now re Liverpool and will have to start over somewhere were you cant see the same level of achievement (on paper) as Rangers. They might have him back and that's his best bet probably. Little room for improvement? Smith had us 16th when sacked, and we've got two mega rich owners who have pumped shit loads of money in. it would have taken almost nothing to improve us, but a year later, we are actually in 17th. The bloke is an absolute fucking chancer, any decent manager with a functioning shred of humanity and a functioning brain cell would have improved us. He's not mooking about with the Forest squad. He's got Philipe fucking Coutinho in his squad. He had every chance, and he totally totally fucked it up, mostly with his outdated 'tough man manager' routine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Feel like Ive read about that Martin Samuel article more in the past day than I did when he wrote it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) I never thought he or anybody could move Villa out of that middle tier. O'Neill spent a fortune and couldn't. So what could he achieve? At the absolute best 7th. Kinda where Villa often have been. You'll know better than me Brummie but in the PL era doesn't that include O'Neill, O'Leary, Big Ron, Brian Little, Gregory. So Gerrard could have done what they did at most. He would have had to break into the top 6 to be on track for Liverpool and it was never happening. So he should have bided his time and learned his trade better at Rangers. For me. If it was a Man City situation then by all means. Edited October 20, 2022 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 "It will be a stepping stone for him to manage Liverpool one day." More like a stepping stone to League One. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Wonder if he’ll bother anywhere else or just fade into the background. Fair chance the Rangers job might be up again soon, wonder if he’d go back? Hasn’t got the personality to do media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENKAAA Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Donut said: "It will be a stepping stone for him to manage Liverpool one day." More like a stepping stone to League One. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Journalists disliking your managerial appointment is the only true sign that you've got it right. At times like this I am always reminded of the greatest such example from https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/jan/18/nigel-adkins-southampton: Quote "Whatever the reasoning, the fact of the matter is that Southampton's league position was moving in the right direction and Adkins had the best win percentage of any Saints manager since the 19th century, which makes the decision to replace him with Mauricio Pochettino feel ridiculous." Edited October 20, 2022 by Jagten Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Disco said: Wonder if he’ll bother anywhere else or just fade into the background. Fair chance the Rangers job might be up again soon, wonder if he’d go back? Hasn’t got the personality to do media. Oh he'll persist imo. He'll carve out a career unfortunately. Can even see him getting the Liverpool job at some point, not through merit, like. Not a wild bet for them to go for their own Ole being as strange as they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: Oh he'll persist imo. He'll carve out a career unfortunately. Can even see him getting the Liverpool job at some point, not through merit, like. Not a wild bet for them to go for their own Ole being as strange as they are. Absolutely no chance, he’s fucked it on that front. He’d be able to get a championship job no bother but it’s a huge step down. Doesn’t need it unless he’s mega driven to make a go of it which is hard to tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Jonas said: I never thought he or anybody could move Villa out of that middle tier. O'Neill spent a fortune and couldn't. So what could he achieve? At the absolute best 7th. Kinda where Villa often have been. You'll know better than me Brummie but in the PL era doesn't that include O'Neill, O'Leary, Big Ron, Brian Little, Gregory. So Gerrard could have done what they did at most. He would have had to break into the top 6 to be on track for Liverpool and it was never happening. So he should have bided his time and learned his trade better at Rangers. For me. If it was a Man City situation then by all means. We finished 2nd in the first PL season. Between 96 and 01 we finished 4th, 5th, 7th, 6th, 6th O'Neill had us 6th, 6th, 6th Even O'Leary had us 6th. It's not about finishing in the top 7, it's about not being 17th. We haven't finished in the top half since 2011. We weren't even in the top flight for 3 of the years. This is EXACTLY the sort of discourse you guys will have heard from outsiders for a decade too. Edited October 20, 2022 by brummie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Could start a chain reaction now. Leicester, Leeds and Everton could do without Villa and Wolves getting new managers and improving. Also picking up potential targets they might have fancied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Disco said: Absolutely no chance, he’s fucked it on that front. He’d be able to get a championship job no bother but it’s a huge step down. Doesn’t need it unless he’s mega driven to make a go of it which is hard to tell. Maybe I'm just dreaming as it'd be fucking hilarious, but I struggle to see him not back and managing a PL side in the not too distant future, probably via Championship. Because of fucking course more than anything. He just seems like the type to get carried way beyond where he'd legitimately be able to claim to be able to get himself. His attitude doesnt seem to me like it'd let him quit either. If he quits he fucks off and Im happy if he doesnt he'll provide hilarity for years to come. Win-win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, brummie said: We finished 2nd in the first PL season. Between 96 and 01 we finished 4th, 5th, 7th, 6th, 6th O'Neill had us 6th, 6th, 6th Even O'Leary had us 6th. It's not about finishing in the top 7, it's about not being 17th. We haven't finished in the top half since 2011. We weren't even in the top flight for 3 of the years. This is EXACTLY the sort of discourse you guys will have heard from outsiders for a decade too. His media mates might have spun it a success but I don't think anybody else would have considered it an achievement for Gerrard to just be mid-table. Which as you've pointed out is average for Villa. Notwithstanding the new finances which I'm not up on. Thus he'd had to have done better than that and the margin was too fine, imho, for someone with his lack of experience to achieve. I'm not at all saying he hasn't done a poor job or that he shouldn't have been sacked I'm saying he shouldn't have taken it because the chances of doing better than average with the top 6, maybe even 7, taken was too much for him at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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