The Managerial Merry Go Round™ - Will Still Southampton manager

[xLiaaamx]

They needed to really. Burnley are galvanised, We're much better now, and Brentford have Eriksen coming in. They need some change to avoid being the one left behind. 

[The Bonk]

35 minutes ago, HTT II said:

Basically the latter, it will take time for any manager and indeed the players to transition their game and style away from Bielsa’s methods on and off the pitch. And without Bamford and Phillips they are weakened massively, even if they still have quality elsewhere, which outside of Raphina in particular they don’t.

 

Thought so. It took Howe, what, 4-5 games for his approach to integrate and had the January window to add players in support. It was obviously a now or never for Leeds and Bielsa, going to be tight for them, but I think they're better than Brentford based off what we saw yesterday.

[Froggy]

3 hours ago, TRon said:

 

I thought very highly of Ole as a club legend as well. As a player. We are talking about managers here. You thought highly of Ole as a manager yet are slating Bielsa as a manager. Again, why would anyone take your opinion seriously given your lack of reason when it came to judging Ole as a manager?

 

 

 

Did I think highly of Ole as a manager? I defended him when he deserved to be defended and criticised him when he deserved to be criticised. I thought his time was up before the board sacked him. He still has the third highest win percentage of any manager in our history but ultimately the lack of trophies killed him. 

 

The major difference for me and the main point I'm trying to address is that everyone seems to defend Bielsa despite him having an absolutely atrocious season. The main defence being how he brought them up from the Championship so he has done a good job. Ole led us to a second place finish, so why the absolutely massive negative attitude towards him? He did not deserve the disrespect he got from opposition fans, but at the end of the day he wasn't good enough for Manchester United. 

 

I'll admit it's hard to think with a clear head when it comes to judging your own manager, especially when it's a club legend. Doesn't mean I don't or can't have opinions on managers of other teams. I've thought for a long time Bielsa is overrated. Not bad, just not a great coach like the media paints him because of how he sits on a cooler during a game or because he has unusual methods. 

 

 

 

[Froggy]

22 minutes ago, The Bonk said:

 

Thought so. It took Howe, what, 4-5 games for his approach to integrate and had the January window to add players in support. It was obviously a now or never for Leeds and Bielsa, going to be tight for them, but I think they're better than Brentford based off what we saw yesterday.

 

If Howe was South American, sat on a case of beer during a game and sent spies to Sunderland he'd be lauded as some mad world class coach. 

 

Howe has been a much better manager in English football than Bielsa. Could be wrong but would wager he's spent a lot less as well if we exclude the Saudi splurge in January. 

[MrRaspberryJam]

48 minutes ago, xLiaaamx said:

They needed to really. Burnley are galvanised, We're much better now, and Brentford have Eriksen coming in. They need some change to avoid being the one left behind. 

 

Brentford are toilet. Doubt that signing will change anything. If they survive, I imagine they'll limp over the line. 

[Dinho lad]

4 hours ago, joeyt said:

 

What's the point in comparing him to previous Leeds managers?

 

He had decent players last season, does he not get credit for that? Where were Phillips and Bamford before Bielsa turned them into England internationals?

 

Yeah... no point.  He didn't work with same players and probably had different resources than previous managers. Plus his unique style obviously make it harder to compare him with other managers. 

 

Again, so what if he had a decent season last season? Yes he deserves credit for it, but he is still an overrated manager in terms that the hype around him is not materialising to anything memorable. His honours list comes no where near to someone like Unai Emery's achievements, for example. Why?

 

Hype and halo effect. He's probably better off just being a coach rather than a manager. 

 

 

 

 

[joeyt]

One of the most influential managers of recent times would have been better off just being a coach

[Thiago]

I think Bielsa was dealt a shit hand this season. He was only able to sign two players of note, and he's rarely had the spine of the team fit. His ability to elevate some of the players in that squad is impressive, but as others have alluded to he's a tough act to follow.

 

The Leeds system means that if you can identify one or two matchups in the final third you can win chances are you'll trouble them. That's why Spurs went wide and Kane just floated deep.

 

The next manager could approach things with a more pragmatic slant, but I'm not convinced there is an obvious style for that group to play. Raphinha is clearly very good but I'm not sold on Rodrigo and after that it's hard to see who can be a difference maker while Bamford and Phillips are out. It starts to feel like us under Bruce where the plan is just get the ball to Saint-Maximin. 

 

I'd be very surprised if they stay up, and if they do, I think they're going to need a heavy investment especially in midfield.

[Doc]

“He’s one of the most important managers that England has had in the last 100 years", not enough in the world.

Edited for not reading post's right. Thought you were on about Bruce.

 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by Doc

[Dinho lad]

13 minutes ago, joeyt said:

One of the most influential managers of recent times would have been better off just being a coach

 

He's influential due to his coaching methods and style - not managerial record!   

[joeyt]

4 minutes ago, Dinho lad said:

 

He's influential due to his coaching methods and style - not managerial record!   

I don't think any Leeds fans would complain about his managerial record before the last few weeks

[Dinho lad]

2 minutes ago, joeyt said:

I don't think any Leeds fans would complain about his managerial record before the last few weeks

 

What's your point?  I'm not saying he has awful record - I'm just saying he's not as good as you and other people make him out to be.

 

You clearly don't know much about his career. 

[Guest neesy111]

6 minutes ago, Dinho lad said:

 

 

 

You clearly don't know much about his career. 

 

Get out of here with shite like this.  @joeytknows plenty about his career 

 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by neesy111

[Dinho lad]

8 minutes ago, neesy111 said:

 

Get out of here with shite like this.  @joeytknows plenty about his career 

 

 

 

 

He's got it all!

[joeyt]

55 minutes ago, Dinho lad said:

 

What's your point?  I'm not saying he has awful record - I'm just saying he's not as good as you and other people make him out to be.

 

You clearly don't know much about his career. 

He did an excellent job at Leeds

[Dinho lad]

A good half-done job. 

 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by Dinho lad

[Yassassin]

No matter who the replacement for Bielsa might be, the players will have to ‘divorce’ themselves from his especially eclectic techniques and make do with more mundane methods. They won’t find this an easy adjustment imo; I think they’ll go down whereas I think Bielsa had the possibility (slim) of turning it around when important players return

[TRon]

Good luck to this Marsch fella coming in btw, he sounds like a decent appointment, but I still think Bielsa will be remembered long after this shitty ownership have sold up. That spygate story when he trolled Frank Lampard still makes me smile to this day.

[joeyt]

1 hour ago, Dinho lad said:

A good half-done job. 

 

 

 

What more should he have achieved to make it a full done job?

[TRon]

4 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

Did I think highly of Ole as a manager? I defended him when he deserved to be defended and criticised him when he deserved to be criticised. I thought his time was up before the board sacked him. He still has the third highest win percentage of any manager in our history but ultimately the lack of trophies killed him. 

 

The major difference for me and the main point I'm trying to address is that everyone seems to defend Bielsa despite him having an absolutely atrocious season. The main defence being how he brought them up from the Championship so he has done a good job. Ole led us to a second place finish, so why the absolutely massive negative attitude towards him? He did not deserve the disrespect he got from opposition fans, but at the end of the day he wasn't good enough for Manchester United. 

 

I'll admit it's hard to think with a clear head when it comes to judging your own manager, especially when it's a club legend. Doesn't mean I don't or can't have opinions on managers of other teams. I've thought for a long time Bielsa is overrated. Not bad, just not a great coach like the media paints him because of how he sits on a cooler during a game or because he has unusual methods. 

 

 

 

 

You overrated Ole massively mate. You kept defending him, and yet you have the gall to slate Bielsa who had a fraction of Ole's spending power. I can understand it to some extent, Man U seem to have a real hate/hate relationship with Leeds for some reason. No idea what that's about.

[Dinho lad]

33 minutes ago, joeyt said:

What more should he have achieved to make it a full done job?

 

Kicked on from last season and not free fall? He has a history of relatively short stints having not achieved anything remarkable apart from entertaining football and innovative coaching style.

 

Again, compare him to a 'shit' manager like Unai Emery....?  No contest in terms of achievements. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

2 hours ago, joeyt said:

He did an excellent job at Leeds

 

He did a colossal job at Leeds. His impact on the entire club and city has been huge. Leeds fans' feeling about their club pre and post Bielsa is almost beyond comparison. 

[Froggy]

7 hours ago, TRon said:

 

You overrated Ole massively mate. You kept defending him, and yet you have the gall to slate Bielsa who had a fraction of Ole's spending power. I can understand it to some extent, Man U seem to have a real hate/hate relationship with Leeds for some reason. No idea what that's about.

 

Aye I defended him on here.

 

The rivalry with Leeds originated from the War of the Roses. It's steeped in history. One of the most legitimate rivalries in football. I suggest you read up on that if you have no idea what it's about. 

[joeyt]

9 hours ago, Dinho lad said:

 

Kicked on from last season and not free fall? He has a history of relatively short stints having not achieved anything remarkable apart from entertaining football and innovative coaching style.

 

Again, compare him to a 'shit' manager like Unai Emery....?  No contest in terms of achievements. 

 

Who has said Emery is a shit manager ffs

[JeffJ]

12 hours ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

He did a colossal job at Leeds. His impact on the entire club and city has been huge. Leeds fans' feeling about their club pre and post Bielsa is almost beyond comparison. 

 

Absolutely. They went from Steve Fucking Evans, Garry Monk and Paul Heckingbottom to one of the most revered coaches in the game. In the second division.
 

Seen a lot of Man Utd fans online making noises about how Bielsa is overrated and a fraud etc, I’m guessing mostly skewed by hatred between the two clubs and it also must be difficult to see one of his footballing disciples dominate at Man City.
 

Actually very difficult to see as they are so far behind despite all of the American money splurged on their club. 
 

Think we should know more than most to listen to fans opinions when it comes to their own club and the vast majority of Leeds fans are devastated.