Beren Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I agree with bimpy. Contact ≠ foul. I don't think that's a foul personally, it's a yellow card for simulation. Not going over when he could have earlier is no free pass either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Tz9Pt296LQmxCi10fN5njQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_Soccer/201406291259467542712-p5.jpg Not a foul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Lee Dixon commentating on a Greece match. Dunno if I'll be able to make it to 90 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I agree with bimpy. Contact ≠ foul. I don't think that's a foul personally, it's a yellow card for simulation. Not going over when he could have earlier is no free pass either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Unless there is nothing to possibly stop you going over due to the contact it is a dive. I don't blame Robben, he's doing what anyone would do in that position. I wonder what Unbelievables opinion is, the man who condemned Suarez handball at the World Cup. Going by his arguments back then, there's no way he's happy here. I'm not particularly happy no. Actually, there is a nice parallel between this incident and our tournament in general so far; both are effective and "acceptable" within the rules, but both do not really command respect or set the pulse racing. Still I think we've been on the receiving end of two questionable penalties already this tournament, and nobody could have complained if Robben got a penalty in the first half. So in that sense I don't think the pen was unjustified, especially as Marquez did foul him. Robben is a brilliant player, but I don't like that side of him, same as I suspect you don't like it on Neymar. That's a fair comment, but like for me both us of will hear about the penalty we didn't deserve rather than the one not whistled. Robben did deserve one just like Hulk deserved one yesterday. Still think there should be more contact to warrant a penalty. Just like Fred he took advantage of the slightest of touches and fell. I didn't think it was a penalty, but like you said, in general maybe it was justified as he didn't get one earlier. palnese, obviously players should get the blame, but the pressure on players are unbearable so any advantage they can take they will. I'm not saying it's right per se, I'm just saying that I don't blame him for doing it as I think 99% of players would fall there. What happens if Robben doesn't and they don't win? It's just the way football works, obviously everyone wants an as fair game as possible but until computer systems starts reffing games we'll see these types of situations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Tz9Pt296LQmxCi10fN5njQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_Soccer/201406291259467542712-p5.jpg Not a foul That picture means nothing, look at the moving pictures ffs. Any single image can look worse or better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Clive and Andy been sent home with England by ITV? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 The Hulk one was never a penalty ffs. If you mean the very little push on a player called HULK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Tz9Pt296LQmxCi10fN5njQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_Soccer/201406291259467542712-p5.jpg Not a foul That picture means nothing, look at the moving pictures ffs. Any single image can look worse or better. I have looked at the moving pictures. Marquez is nowhere near the ball and his only intention is to stop Robben skipping past him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Tz9Pt296LQmxCi10fN5njQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_Soccer/201406291259467542712-p5.jpg Not a foul That picture means nothing, look at the moving pictures ffs. Any single image can look worse or better. I have looked at the moving pictures. Marquez is nowhere near the ball and his only intention is to stop Robben skipping past him. I'm being honest here, check Robbens foot, there's the slightest of touches but instead of putting his right foot down he throws himself. It's never a penalty in that situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I do think there should be more incidental allowed (or that it should at least be more consistent), but missing the ball and contacting someone's leg when they are trying to dribble past you is foul, regardless, and this was a penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Tz9Pt296LQmxCi10fN5njQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_Soccer/201406291259467542712-p5.jpg Not a foul That picture means nothing, look at the moving pictures ffs. Any single image can look worse or better. I have looked at the moving pictures. Marquez is nowhere near the ball and his only intention is to stop Robben skipping past him. He went for the ball and missed it. Like his intention was to give away a penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Tz9Pt296LQmxCi10fN5njQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_Soccer/201406291259467542712-p5.jpg Not a foul That picture means nothing, look at the moving pictures ffs. Any single image can look worse or better. I have looked at the moving pictures. Marquez is nowhere near the ball and his only intention is to stop Robben skipping past him. I couldn't care less what Marquez was up to, Robben threw himself to the floor, he wasn't knocked or nudged, he threw himself over a leg. Threw as in dive, as in cheat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I do think there should be more incidental allowed (or that it should at least be more consistent), but missing the ball and contacting someone's leg when they are trying to dribble past you is foul, regardless, and this was a penalty. Simple as that really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Dunno how anyone can even debate that it wasn't a penalty. Robben's movement was too quick for Marquez who stuck his foot out and made contact after Robben had went past him. People acting like he'd lost control of the ball and dived over Marquez's leg ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Robben flew into the air because of minimal contact. It was rewarded because the sport is fucked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Celso bossing the midfield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Even though he's a past it worky-ticket I can't help but like Karagounis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Tz9Pt296LQmxCi10fN5njQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_Soccer/201406291259467542712-p5.jpg Not a foul That picture means nothing, look at the moving pictures ffs. Any single image can look worse or better. I have looked at the moving pictures. Marquez is nowhere near the ball and his only intention is to stop Robben skipping past him. I couldn't care less what Marquez was up to, Robben threw himself to the floor, he wasn't knocked or nudged, he threw himself over a leg. Threw as in dive, as in cheat. I'm not denying he dived, that's not the point and I have already stated I am not proud/happy about that sort of behaviour. I do think there was a foul however, which makes the decision to grand a penalty justifiable. To be perfectly honest it's one of those you can give, but had he not given it I would have understood even though I would have been frustrated (as I was about the earlier incident which I assume you agree was more of a pen than this one). At that point it was 1-1 though, and although it can't be proven I do think we would have probably gone on to win it anyway, unless Mexico could have shut us out until the pens. The equaliser was the real match decider. Up until that point I didn't think we were going to find a way back in it, and we possibly didn't deserve to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Robben flew into the air because of minimal contact. It was rewarded because the sport is f***ed. If I am driving the basket and you smack my arm, it is a foul. The fact that the ref won't call it unless I yell "ahhh" and flail a hand isn't my fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 This game is hurting my eyes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Tz9Pt296LQmxCi10fN5njQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_Soccer/201406291259467542712-p5.jpg Not a foul That picture means nothing, look at the moving pictures ffs. Any single image can look worse or better. I have looked at the moving pictures. Marquez is nowhere near the ball and his only intention is to stop Robben skipping past him. I couldn't care less what Marquez was up to, Robben threw himself to the floor, he wasn't knocked or nudged, he threw himself over a leg. Threw as in dive, as in cheat. Ok lets just never have penalties awarded again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Well whatever conclusion anyone comes to, i would like the ref and linemans to explain why Robben wasn't given the penalty in the first half. That was the clearest penalty of the tournament so far. While i think the actual penalty given is a cheating because of a dive, i baffled how the same ref can give that but not the first one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I do think there should be more incidental allowed (or that it should at least be more consistent), but missing the ball and contacting someone's leg when they are trying to dribble past you is foul, regardless, and this was a penalty. Simple as that really. Well then don't tell me Fred didn't earn that penalty. He got a slight pull on his shoulder and fell, defender didn't even go for the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Cameraman no Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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