Unbelievable Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 On 29/06/2014 at 20:07, bimpy474 said: Quote Quote Quote http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Tz9Pt296LQmxCi10fN5njQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_Soccer/201406291259467542712-p5.jpg Not a foul That picture means nothing, look at the moving pictures ffs. Any single image can look worse or better. I have looked at the moving pictures. Marquez is nowhere near the ball and his only intention is to stop Robben skipping past him. I couldn't care less what Marquez was up to, Robben threw himself to the floor, he wasn't knocked or nudged, he threw himself over a leg. Threw as in dive, as in cheat. I'm not denying he dived, that's not the point and I have already stated I am not proud/happy about that sort of behaviour. I do think there was a foul however, which makes the decision to grand a penalty justifiable. To be perfectly honest it's one of those you can give, but had he not given it I would have understood even though I would have been frustrated (as I was about the earlier incident which I assume you agree was more of a pen than this one). At that point it was 1-1 though, and although it can't be proven I do think we would have probably gone on to win it anyway, unless Mexico could have shut us out until the pens. The equaliser was the real match decider. Up until that point I didn't think we were going to find a way back in it, and we possibly didn't deserve to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 On 29/06/2014 at 20:09, Mike said: Robben flew into the air because of minimal contact. It was rewarded because the sport is f***ed. If I am driving the basket and you smack my arm, it is a foul. The fact that the ref won't call it unless I yell "ahhh" and flail a hand isn't my fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 This game is hurting my eyes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 On 29/06/2014 at 20:07, bimpy474 said: Quote Quote Quote http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Tz9Pt296LQmxCi10fN5njQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_Soccer/201406291259467542712-p5.jpg Not a foul That picture means nothing, look at the moving pictures ffs. Any single image can look worse or better. I have looked at the moving pictures. Marquez is nowhere near the ball and his only intention is to stop Robben skipping past him. I couldn't care less what Marquez was up to, Robben threw himself to the floor, he wasn't knocked or nudged, he threw himself over a leg. Threw as in dive, as in cheat. Ok lets just never have penalties awarded again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Well whatever conclusion anyone comes to, i would like the ref and linemans to explain why Robben wasn't given the penalty in the first half. That was the clearest penalty of the tournament so far. While i think the actual penalty given is a cheating because of a dive, i baffled how the same ref can give that but not the first one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 On 29/06/2014 at 20:08, Unbelievable! said: Quote I do think there should be more incidental allowed (or that it should at least be more consistent), but missing the ball and contacting someone's leg when they are trying to dribble past you is foul, regardless, and this was a penalty. Simple as that really. Well then don't tell me Fred didn't earn that penalty. He got a slight pull on his shoulder and fell, defender didn't even go for the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Cameraman no Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 On 29/06/2014 at 20:12, triggs said: Quote Quote Quote Quote http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Tz9Pt296LQmxCi10fN5njQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_Soccer/201406291259467542712-p5.jpg Not a foul That picture means nothing, look at the moving pictures ffs. Any single image can look worse or better. I have looked at the moving pictures. Marquez is nowhere near the ball and his only intention is to stop Robben skipping past him. I couldn't care less what Marquez was up to, Robben threw himself to the floor, he wasn't knocked or nudged, he threw himself over a leg. Threw as in dive, as in cheat. Ok lets just never have penalties awarded again Oh my fucking God. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 On 29/06/2014 at 20:12, triggs said: Quote Quote Quote Quote http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Tz9Pt296LQmxCi10fN5njQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_Soccer/201406291259467542712-p5.jpg Not a foul That picture means nothing, look at the moving pictures ffs. Any single image can look worse or better. I have looked at the moving pictures. Marquez is nowhere near the ball and his only intention is to stop Robben skipping past him. I couldn't care less what Marquez was up to, Robben threw himself to the floor, he wasn't knocked or nudged, he threw himself over a leg. Threw as in dive, as in cheat. Ok lets just never have penalties awarded again Yes because that's exactly what i was saying wasn't it. Twit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Costa Rica's clearances are always panicked and hopeless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 On 29/06/2014 at 20:13, Felipão said: Quote Quote I do think there should be more incidental allowed (or that it should at least be more consistent), but missing the ball and contacting someone's leg when they are trying to dribble past you is foul, regardless, and this was a penalty. Simple as that really. Well then don't tell me Fred didn't earn that penalty. He got a slight pull on his shoulder and fell, defender didn't even go for the ball. Not comparable imho although I can see why you are desperate to make it seem so. A slight tug on the shoulder/shirt happens hundreds of times in any given match, on both sides. An incident like this doesn't. Had Marquez not touched Robben he would have had a very good chance at a shot or pass (yeah right) to somebody in a better position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 On 29/06/2014 at 20:13, bimpy474 said: Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Tz9Pt296LQmxCi10fN5njQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_Soccer/201406291259467542712-p5.jpg Not a foul That picture means nothing, look at the moving pictures ffs. Any single image can look worse or better. I have looked at the moving pictures. Marquez is nowhere near the ball and his only intention is to stop Robben skipping past him. I couldn't care less what Marquez was up to, Robben threw himself to the floor, he wasn't knocked or nudged, he threw himself over a leg. Threw as in dive, as in cheat. Ok lets just never have penalties awarded again Yes because that's exactly what i was saying wasn't it. Twit. Twit Refs don't give penalties unless somebody falls to the floor so if players took your advice there would never be penalties Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 On 29/06/2014 at 20:13, Felipão said: Quote Quote I do think there should be more incidental allowed (or that it should at least be more consistent), but missing the ball and contacting someone's leg when they are trying to dribble past you is foul, regardless, and this was a penalty. Simple as that really. Well then don't tell me Fred didn't earn that penalty. He got a slight pull on his shoulder and fell, defender didn't even go for the ball. This is a bit different because Fred wasn't pulled at all. Also significantly more incidental contact is generally allowed above the waist and should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 On 29/06/2014 at 20:15, Unbelievable! said: Quote Quote Quote I do think there should be more incidental allowed (or that it should at least be more consistent), but missing the ball and contacting someone's leg when they are trying to dribble past you is foul, regardless, and this was a penalty. Simple as that really. Well then don't tell me Fred didn't earn that penalty. He got a slight pull on his shoulder and fell, defender didn't even go for the ball. Not comparable imho although I can see why you are desperate to make it seem so. A slight tug on the shoulder/shirt happens hundreds of times in any given match, on both sides. An incident like this doesn't. Had Marquez not touched Robben he would have had a very good chance at a shot or pass (yeah right) to somebody in a better position. That's ridiculous, Fred could've turn and shot if the slight touch doesn't come either. Neither are penalties, but I'll leave it at that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 This is just vintage Greece. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 On 29/06/2014 at 20:16, Felipão said: Quote Quote Quote Quote I do think there should be more incidental allowed (or that it should at least be more consistent), but missing the ball and contacting someone's leg when they are trying to dribble past you is foul, regardless, and this was a penalty. Simple as that really. Well then don't tell me Fred didn't earn that penalty. He got a slight pull on his shoulder and fell, defender didn't even go for the ball. Not comparable imho although I can see why you are desperate to make it seem so. A slight tug on the shoulder/shirt happens hundreds of times in any given match, on both sides. An incident like this doesn't. Had Marquez not touched Robben he would have had a very good chance at a shot or pass (yeah right) to somebody in a better position. That's ridiculous, Fred could've turn and shot if the slight touch doesn't come either. Neither are penalties, but I'll leave it at that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 On 29/06/2014 at 20:15, Unbelievable! said: Quote Quote Quote I do think there should be more incidental allowed (or that it should at least be more consistent), but missing the ball and contacting someone's leg when they are trying to dribble past you is foul, regardless, and this was a penalty. Simple as that really. Well then don't tell me Fred didn't earn that penalty. He got a slight pull on his shoulder and fell, defender didn't even go for the ball. Not comparable imho although I can see why you are desperate to make it seem so. A slight tug on the shoulder/shirt happens hundreds of times in any given match, on both sides. An incident like this doesn't. Had Marquez not touched Robben he would have had a very good chance at a shot or pass (yeah right) to somebody in a better position. Eh ? players slightly catching players happens over and over and over in every single game, it's up to the ref to decide if the contact warrants a free kick. Or if a player has dived as Robben does on a million occasions. It's a contact game ffs, not a tarts paradise of luvvie acting school. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 The original debate was about Robben 'deserving' a pen because he 'could have went down' earlier...the penalty was a foul, it was just the way Chiles was going on, the really ugly man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I remember Michael Owen falling over an outstretched foot against Argentina in 02. And there's little difference between that incident and today's. Both were pens. Both left slightly unsavoury tastes for the over dramatising. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Lovrens left arm, holds his shoulder. Check the moving images again. There's barely any contact, but I don't see how Robben gets away with it for you but not Fred. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 On 29/06/2014 at 20:18, bimpy474 said: Quote Quote Quote Quote I do think there should be more incidental allowed (or that it should at least be more consistent), but missing the ball and contacting someone's leg when they are trying to dribble past you is foul, regardless, and this was a penalty. Simple as that really. Well then don't tell me Fred didn't earn that penalty. He got a slight pull on his shoulder and fell, defender didn't even go for the ball. Not comparable imho although I can see why you are desperate to make it seem so. A slight tug on the shoulder/shirt happens hundreds of times in any given match, on both sides. An incident like this doesn't. Had Marquez not touched Robben he would have had a very good chance at a shot or pass (yeah right) to somebody in a better position. Eh ? players slightly catching players happens over and over and over in every single game, it's up to the ref to decide if the contact warrants a free kick. Or if a player has dived as Robben does on a million occasions. It's a contact game ffs, not a tarts paradise of luvvie acting school. Out of interest, and obviously inconsequential with regards to the later shenigans, but did you think the incident in the first half was a penalty? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Dirty Greek cunts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Robben one was actually a pel, Fred's wasn't. Obviously nee excuse for Robben to have a fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Ooh. Fucking Greece. Thought that was a pen for a sec. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Good decision, that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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