mrmojorisin75 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 it is all getting very boring now like , we all know what's going to happen at HT with a lead in place, and seemingly so do the other team was pleased how we fought back after their goal though, in times gone by the other team coming back into the game was just an event we were powerless to do anything about, i'm of the firm belief that every team is going to have a decent passage of play so if we have to let the other team have theirs right after half time as some sort of default plan then so be it, however i expect us to have done something about it within 15-20 minutes, which we did vs. southampton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 it is all getting very boring now like , we all know what's going to happen at HT with a lead in place, and seemingly so do the other team was pleased how we fought back after their goal though, in times gone by the other team coming back into the game was just an event we were powerless to do anything about, i'm of the firm belief that every team is going to have a decent passage of play so if we have to let the other team have theirs right after half time as some sort of default plan then so be it, however i expect us to have done something about it within 15-20 minutes, which we did vs. southampton If you think it's going to happen, chances are, it will happen. You are part of the collective. Part of our conscience. Collaborator in creating the reality. Charlie Brown taught me that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 We had some good chances to win against Soton. They seemed to come from mistakes from them though, we didn't move their defenders around enough and create openings for ourselves. The basis of our formation seemed to be all about stopping Soton playing. I thought we did that pretty well. We worked really hard to close them down. You could tell we wouldn't be able to keep that up. The way Anita was charging about, you knew he was going to run out of gas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 He cost us two points on Saturday, like. No doubt about it. Changed our system second half and things just never got going and we never really got our fluency back from the first half. Cisse was dreadful and a poor choice of sub and Hatem was brought on far too late. Could see we really missed Cabaye even though Anita had a decent game himself, lacked a bit of cutting edge. Think the draw was the fair result but was a big missed opportunity to get another win on the back of the OT result but 4 points from them two games is a nice return. We still go into Crystal Palace in good form and expecting a draw at the very least even though they themselves are much improved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 We had plenty of chances to win it, yes we could be a lot better in attack but if we had taken half our chances we would have stuffed them. We are just not ruthless enough or choose wrong options. When Sissoko was in box with ball he should have shot instead of lay back for ben arfa, remy should have had 2 so at least chances there, just need to start taking them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 He cost us two points on Saturday, like. No doubt about it. Changed our system second half and things just never got going and we never really got our fluency back from the first half. Cisse was dreadful and a poor choice of sub and Hatem was brought on far too late. Could see we really missed Cabaye even though Anita had a decent game himself, lacked a bit of cutting edge. Think the draw was the fair result but was a big missed opportunity to get another win on the back of the OT result but 4 points from them two games is a nice return. We still go into Crystal Palace in good form and expecting a draw at the very least even though they themselves are much improved. All the time he was doing shit you were defending him and now he's doing alright you decide to get on his case? You're a strange lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 He cost us two points on Saturday, like. No doubt about it. Changed our system second half and things just never got going and we never really got our fluency back from the first half. Cisse was dreadful and a poor choice of sub and Hatem was brought on far too late. Could see we really missed Cabaye even though Anita had a decent game himself, lacked a bit of cutting edge. Think the draw was the fair result but was a big missed opportunity to get another win on the back of the OT result but 4 points from them two games is a nice return. We still go into Crystal Palace in good form and expecting a draw at the very least even though they themselves are much improved. All the time he was doing s*** you were defending him and now he's doing alright you decide to get on his case? You're a strange lad. What are you on about? I just felt in this particular game, he made some bad decisions (second half) and it's cost us. Yes Remy did miss chances and there were one or two other chances where we could have grabbed 3 points but i just felt Pardew made some back tactical errors and substitions and just gave Southampton that edge in the second half to pull them back into it. Not having a go at him or anything, managers are capable of making bad decisions, don't expect Pardew to get it right every game, just felt here he let two points slip away. He's earned us far more points than he's dropped us this season and i'm delighted with how things are going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I thought exactly the same thing tbh. Defended him to the hilt and now it's his fault that we didn't win, when for once there are other factors involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 How many Premier League managerial changes is that now since he was appointed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Brett's a clear wind up like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddydog Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 How many Premier League managerial changes is that now since he was appointed? According to NUFC.com: Zero tolerance The latest name to be eliminated from the Premier League X Factor competition is Andre Villas-Boas, following his live TV rendition of "We Can't Stop" on Sunday. The latest top-flight managerial casualty leaves the current top 20 runners and riders looking like this: Arsenal - Arsene Wenger (Sep 1996) Aston Villa - Paul Lambert (Jun 2012) Cardiff - Malky Mackay (Jun 2011) Chelsea - Jose Mourinho (Jun 2013) Crystal Palace - Tony Pulis (Nov 2013) Everton - Roberto Martinez (Jun 2013) Fulham - Rene Muelensteen (Dec 2013) Hull City - Steve Bruce (Jun 2012) Liverpool - Brendan Rodgers (Jun 2012) Manchester City - Manuel Pellegrini (Jun 2013) Manchester United - David Moyes (May 2013) Newcastle United - Alan Pardew (Dec 2010) Norwich City - Chris Hughton (Jun 2012) Southampton - Mauricio Pochettino (Jan 2013) Stoke City - Mark Hughes (May 2013) mackems - Gus Poyet (Oct 2013) Swansea City - Michael Laudrup (Jun 2012) Tottenham - position vacant West Brom - position vacant West Ham - Sam Allardyce (Jun 2011) Who's next for the chop? Vote now! (probably) Longest serving manager in the Premiership except Wenger, if I'm reading that right... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 i the light of the AVB sacking, i can't help but wonder to this fucking day how pardew survived (a) last season in it's entirety and (b) 1-10 at home Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 i the light of the AVB sacking, i can't help but wonder to this f***ing day how pardew survived (a) last season in it's entirety and (b) 1-10 at home Europe, tiredness and luck. All went against him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Watching Southampton this season (and their thoroughly impressive way of incorporating their entire squad into the football they play) really brings clarity to Pardew's most obvious and crtical weakness as a manager; is inability to define his team/squad. Going into his fourth year as our manager, the quite large amount of questionmarks surrounding his preferred style, formation and overall mentality really highlights why I find it hard to regain confidence in him even now that we're doing well. Every team and manager has purple patches from time to time. But we still seem incoherent. Apart from the football we played in March/April 2012, I've not seen us win and play well for an extended period as a result of a clear and purposeful footballing agenda, I've not seen players buy into a footballing philosophy and I've not seen us aqcuiring any sort of identity as a team. It's been about different succesful changes, individuals and tactical maneuvers in different areas in different periods. No strategy behind things and no indication about how we're going to move forward and grow as a squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 How many Premier League managerial changes is that now since he was appointed? According to NUFC.com: Zero tolerance The latest name to be eliminated from the Premier League X Factor competition is Andre Villas-Boas, following his live TV rendition of "We Can't Stop" on Sunday. The latest top-flight managerial casualty leaves the current top 20 runners and riders looking like this: Arsenal - Arsene Wenger (Sep 1996) Aston Villa - Paul Lambert (Jun 2012) Cardiff - Malky Mackay (Jun 2011) Chelsea - Jose Mourinho (Jun 2013) Crystal Palace - Tony Pulis (Nov 2013) Everton - Roberto Martinez (Jun 2013) Fulham - Rene Muelensteen (Dec 2013) Hull City - Steve Bruce (Jun 2012) Liverpool - Brendan Rodgers (Jun 2012) Manchester City - Manuel Pellegrini (Jun 2013) Manchester United - David Moyes (May 2013) Newcastle United - Alan Pardew (Dec 2010) Norwich City - Chris Hughton (Jun 2012) Southampton - Mauricio Pochettino (Jan 2013) Stoke City - Mark Hughes (May 2013) mackems - Gus Poyet (Oct 2013) Swansea City - Michael Laudrup (Jun 2012) Tottenham - position vacant West Brom - position vacant West Ham - Sam Allardyce (Jun 2011) Who's next for the chop? Vote now! (probably) Longest serving manager in the Premiership except Wenger, if I'm reading that right... Yep, he has been for ages now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 i the light of the AVB sacking, i can't help but wonder to this f***ing day how pardew survived (a) last season in it's entirety and (b) 1-10 at home Europe, tiredness and luck. All went against him. gambling debts tbh fuck knows what pardew lost tbh, thinking about more we should have known about him in advance - they say luck is a big part of football management, we took on a bloke with crippling gambling debts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I thought exactly the same thing tbh. Defended him to the hilt and now it's his fault that we didn't win, when for once there are other factors involved. Maybe not being at the game on Saturday and watching in a bar on holiday gave me a different view. I was just pissed off HBA wasn't on sooner, felt it was all too late when he arrived, didn't understand changing things around for Cisse, then we failed to get closer to lallana when he came on and allowed him to dictate the play. I'm not being overly critical, i thought overall it was a decent showing from us and had Remy took his chances things may have been different. Just felt Pardew could have won us that game had he made the right changes at the right times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I thought exactly the same thing tbh. Defended him to the hilt and now it's his fault that we didn't win, when for once there are other factors involved. what other factors, sorry? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I thought exactly the same thing tbh. Defended him to the hilt and now it's his fault that we didn't win, when for once there are other factors involved. what other factors, sorry? We created chances and failed to score so i suppose Pardew can't do anything about that but i just felt he was in a good position with Ben Arfa on the bench to bring him on and change the game for us. Still can't understand why he left it so late in the game, from about the 60th minute, every minute that passed i was getting more and more wound up the fact he wasn't yet on the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I thought exactly the same thing tbh. Defended him to the hilt and now it's his fault that we didn't win, when for once there are other factors involved. what other factors, sorry? We created chances and failed to score so i suppose Pardew can't do anything about that but i just felt he was in a good position with Ben Arfa on the bench to bring him on and change the game for us. Still can't understand why he left it so late in the game, from about the 60th minute, every minute that passed i was getting more and more wound up the fact he wasn't yet on the pitch i wasn't asking you brett - what other factors would absolve pardiola this time that they otherwise might not have, in previous games as that's what KI seems to be saying as for your point we've all been saying for fucking years his tactics and timing is wrong but he gets lucky, how dare you, how dare you come on here and say he got it wrong against sovereign state southampton? this is a fucking disgrace Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 No i think this season a lot of what he has been done has been spot on, just felt on Saturday he kind of let the two points slip away. Might be being slightly harsh i don't know but i think that game was there for the taking. Southampton were nice and pretty in possession but didn't really do a lot with it or create, when we had the ball there was more urgency in our game to get a goal and i felt had HBA had longer on the pitch he would have came up with the goods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I thought exactly the same thing tbh. Defended him to the hilt and now it's his fault that we didn't win, when for once there are other factors involved. what other factors, sorry? Three big individual errors by Santon and twice by Remy. Maybe not so much the first chance that Remy had, but definitely the second miss and the naive play by Santon. Had those things not happened, I'd have been saying that we didn't create enough. I wasn't exactly happy with the way that we played overall, but I still felt like we were the more threatening team and carved out enough chances to win. It needn't have been that way, but his plan (which I'm against) still should have worked tbf to him for once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I thought exactly the same thing tbh. Defended him to the hilt and now it's his fault that we didn't win, when for once there are other factors involved. what other factors, sorry? Three big individual errors by Santon and twice by Remy. Maybe not so much the first chance that Remy had, but definitely the second miss and the naive play by Santon. Had those things not happened, I'd have been saying that we didn't create enough. I wasn't exactly happy with the way that we played overall, but I still felt like we were the more threatening team and carved out enough chances to win. It needn't have been that way, but his plan (which I'm against) still should have worked tbf to him for once. nah, take that to the extreme and players and aren't making the run/killer pass that he told them to in training as opposed to the missed sitters shit happens, he still instructed them to do what they did at half time and that's the bottom line ET - as it happens i have no complaints about the weekend because (a) they're a fucking canny team with a clever manager and (b) we didn't let them roll us over, fought back and were on top at the end Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I thought exactly the same thing tbh. Defended him to the hilt and now it's his fault that we didn't win, when for once there are other factors involved. what other factors, sorry? Three big individual errors by Santon and twice by Remy. Maybe not so much the first chance that Remy had, but definitely the second miss and the naive play by Santon. Had those things not happened, I'd have been saying that we didn't create enough. I wasn't exactly happy with the way that we played overall, but I still felt like we were the more threatening team and carved out enough chances to win. It needn't have been that way, but his plan (which I'm against) still should have worked tbf to him for once. nah, take that to the extreme and players and aren't making the run/killer pass that he told them to in training as opposed to the missed sitters s*** happens, he still instructed them to do what they did at half time and that's the bottom line ET - as it happens i have no complaints about the weekend because (a) they're a f***ing canny team with a clever manager and (b) we didn't let them roll us over, fought back and were on top at the end Shit also doesn't happen. Don't get me wrong, I massively dislike the bloke and I'm pissed off that yet again we've sat back after a lead and that we've yet again reverted to type on the back of a really good possession-based performance against Man United, but for all of the downfalls, that miss by Remy in particular isn't something that you can account for. I predicted that it would be 2-2, so really I shouldn't be disappointed with the result, but I am because I still think that we deserved to win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I thought exactly the same thing tbh. Defended him to the hilt and now it's his fault that we didn't win, when for once there are other factors involved. what other factors, sorry? Three big individual errors by Santon and twice by Remy. Maybe not so much the first chance that Remy had, but definitely the second miss and the naive play by Santon. Had those things not happened, I'd have been saying that we didn't create enough. I wasn't exactly happy with the way that we played overall, but I still felt like we were the more threatening team and carved out enough chances to win. It needn't have been that way, but his plan (which I'm against) still should have worked tbf to him for once. nah, take that to the extreme and players and aren't making the run/killer pass that he told them to in training as opposed to the missed sitters s*** happens, he still instructed them to do what they did at half time and that's the bottom line ET - as it happens i have no complaints about the weekend because (a) they're a f***ing canny team with a clever manager and (b) we didn't let them roll us over, fought back and were on top at the end Shit also doesn't happen. Don't get me wrong, I massively dislike the bloke and I'm pissed off that yet again we've sat back after a lead and that we've yet again reverted to type on the back of a really good possession-based performance against Man United, but for all of the downfalls, that miss by Remy in particular isn't something that you can account for. I predicted that it would be 2-2, so really I shouldn't be disappointed with the result, but I am because I still think that we deserved to win. Draw was right imo on balance. We fell apart real good at the start of the second half and it could have been much worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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