Alan '48 points' Pardew

[BrettNUFC]

Highly doubt 'anybody' could take us to 33 points before the end if the year.

 

Within reason, yes.

 

Other than Southampton the rest of the league below us are s****.

 

Everyone was wanking over Swansea last year, this year Southampton.

 

Because we've started well people are saying it like it's a given we should be in this position yet they were tipping up another difficult season ahead over the summer.

[ponsaelius]

The rest of the league is fucking wank, fact. Hull are in 10th.

[Guest bimpy474]

Highly doubt 'anybody' could take us to 33 points before the end if the year.

 

Within reason, yes.

 

Other than Southampton the rest of the league below us are s****.

 

Everyone was wanking over Swansea last year, this year Southampton.

 

Because we've started well people are saying it like it's a given we should be in this position yet they were tipping up another difficult season ahead over the summer.

 

You do yourself no favours like. What is wrong in other people wanting us to play better football, something Swansea and Southampton do. But with our players who imo are better than theirs, hence getting us even better results with the better football.

 

Is it really that hard to grasp without acting like such a mung.

[TRon]

Highly doubt 'anybody' could take us to 33 points before the end if the year.

 

Within reason, yes.

 

Other than Southampton the rest of the league below us are s****.

 

Everyone was wanking over Swansea last year, this year Southampton.

 

Because we've started well people are saying it like it's a given we should be in this position yet they were tipping up another difficult season ahead over the summer.

 

Both those teams have managers who will move to a bigger club IMO. The wanking wasn't misplaced if that happens.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Highly doubt 'anybody' could take us to 33 points before the end if the year.

 

Within reason, yes.

 

Other than Southampton the rest of the league below us are s****.

 

Everyone was wanking over Swansea last year, this year Southampton.

 

Because we've started well people are saying it like it's a given we should be in this position yet they were tipping up another difficult season ahead over the summer.

 

...and? By the club's own standards we're 'par' aren't we?

[BrettNUFC]

Because even with their pretty football we are above both of them. Just like Jose will be above Wenger's pretty football come the end of the season imo. Of course we would like better football but as long as we stay ahead of them and are showing quality in different ways to they do, we should still be happy. The whole country wants their team to play a lovely attractive football but their isn't many managers out there who actually do it and to criticise Pardew week in week out because that isn’t his style of play is just harsh.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Ugh, actually. Fuck this.

[Hanshithispantz]

I'm not going to knock him for the job he's doing at the moment, he's doing as well in the league as he and many if not most other managers out there are probably capable of. It's just the view that under this 'crippling regime' no other manager could be expected to do any better that get's me.

 

It's absolute bullshit, and the fact people are over the moon that he has us riding about where we should be is testament to that. Well in the league anyway, probably best if we don't mention the cups.

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

Where do you think Pardew gets the ideas from?

 

I'd say Ashley, it comes from the very top imo.

 

Exactly & the next manager will be the same till the man at the top changes.

 

I remember Keegan saying in his second spell he wouldn't be scared to spend £25m on a player - that sharp turned to stating we couldn't afford players on Chelsea's bench etc - then obviously they screwed him over.

 

The last time Pardew  was adamant a player would not be leaving. "100%" they sold him and replaced him with Shefki Kuqi.

 

Funny mentioning Keegan, do you remember when he was called in because he said in a interview we couldn't compete with the top clubs (KK knew what was going behind the scenes), Ashley was furious.

 

Look at it now, Pardew tells all and sundry and Ashley is fine with it. I understand why Pardew does it, he must know we aren't going to spend lots, and tbh i accept it. But in my eyes that doesn't make us a small club as he keeps telling us, when he talks about the club it's generally in the negative and it pisses me off.

 

Or maybe i'm just feigning anger (as a mung just pointed out fans on here are doing) when someone runs down the club i love.

 

I'm not sure he ever says we're a small club per se - but again I think it comes from the economic sense, i.e there are clubs out there who can make offers for our players we can't refuse.

 

The club has pretty much always sold it's best players - whether it's wee Hughie sodding off to Chelsea, Gazza going to Spurs, Cole to Man United, Carroll (!?) to Liverpool. We had a brief period when we didn't but overall whether it's Seymour or McKeag the fans have been continuously treat like shit.  Obviously some owners actually invested the money back into the team on players - some don't.

 

Ironically he's talking about it a lot now - how we can't hold on to players - but that's what we seem to be doing.

 

I want the club to show maximum ambition - but where we are now - where does that actually leave us?

 

At the moment we are doing well - a manager talking shite doesn't bother me that much. I'm sure Keegan rattled on about shite and even Sir Bobby at times - the difference being they were both thoroughly likeable, decent people - who happened to be uttterly class football managers. I don't think Pardew comes close to either of those categories.

 

Pardew has his limitations but overall he sees Ashley's vision of the club & Ashley's vision of football economics - I'm not sure if i'd prefer a manager pulling the wool - or a manager telling me that - to effect - we don't have the money other teams do & we'll accept the right bid for our players.

 

I think - to summarise  - I'm ranting about complete shite - there may be some sense in there Bimpy, probably not

[NG32]

I do seem to remember KK standing on the steps of the Milburn speaking with fans face to face explaining why he was selling Cole.  I also remember offers coming in for Dyer from Leeds and Man Utd , SBR saying we should be looking to keep players like Dyer if we want to build a team.

 

Both were proven to be correct.

 

 

 

 

I suppose it comes down to ambition and finance.

 

Ambition costs money in this league.

 

[Happy Face]

Pardew was always quick to make (what I think were legitimate) excuses for the catastrophic run of results mid-season last year, and for the humiliations later on.

 

He's not so quick to look for external factors that might have led to our current position.  Highest on that list to me would be the world cup coming down the way which has seen a large proportion of our squad bust a gut like we never saw last season to secure their international squad position.

 

 

[Guest bimpy474]

Where do you think Pardew gets the ideas from?

 

I'd say Ashley, it comes from the very top imo.

 

Exactly & the next manager will be the same till the man at the top changes.

 

I remember Keegan saying in his second spell he wouldn't be scared to spend £25m on a player - that sharp turned to stating we couldn't afford players on Chelsea's bench etc - then obviously they screwed him over.

 

The last time Pardew  was adamant a player would not be leaving. "100%" they sold him and replaced him with Shefki Kuqi.

 

Funny mentioning Keegan, do you remember when he was called in because he said in a interview we couldn't compete with the top clubs (KK knew what was going behind the scenes), Ashley was furious.

 

Look at it now, Pardew tells all and sundry and Ashley is fine with it. I understand why Pardew does it, he must know we aren't going to spend lots, and tbh i accept it. But in my eyes that doesn't make us a small club as he keeps telling us, when he talks about the club it's generally in the negative and it pisses me off.

 

Or maybe i'm just feigning anger (as a mung just pointed out fans on here are doing) when someone runs down the club i love.

 

I'm not sure he ever says we're a small club per se - but again I think it comes from the economic sense, i.e there are clubs out there who can make offers for our players we can't refuse.

 

The club has pretty much always sold it's best players - whether it's wee Hughie sodding off to Chelsea, Gazza going to Spurs, Cole to Man United, Carroll (!?) to Liverpool. We had a brief period when we didn't but overall whether it's Seymour or McKeag the fans have been continuously treat like shit.  Obviously some owners actually invested the money back into the team on players - some don't.

 

Ironically he's talking about it a lot now - how we can't hold on to players - but that's what we seem to be doing.

 

I want the club to show maximum ambition - but where we are now - where does that actually leave us?

 

At the moment we are doing well - a manager talking shite doesn't bother me that much. I'm sure Keegan rattled on about shite and even Sir Bobby at times - the difference being they were both thoroughly likeable, decent people - who happened to be uttterly class football managers. I don't think Pardew comes close to either of those categories.

 

Pardew has his limitations but overall he sees Ashley's vision of the club & Ashley's vision of football economics - I'm not sure if i'd prefer a manager pulling the wool - or a manager telling me that - to effect - we don't have the money other teams do & we'll accept the right bid for our players.

 

I think - to summarise  - I'm ranting about complete shite - there may be some sense in there Bimpy, probably not

 

Loads of sense in there mate, i think pretty much spot on as well. A thing you mentioned there about selling players, we dont very often tbf and i suppose to Ashley's credit if we do sell, we sell for a lot.

 

I dont think we'll ever be free until Ashley's gone Not to sound like i want him to stay because i certainly dont, But i'd hate to an owner like Tan. If and when he does go i'm hoping for a decent owner, with some feeling for the club, i suppose i can but dream.

[merlin]

I do seem to remember KK standing on the steps of the Milburn speaking with fans face to face explaining why he was selling Cole.  I also remember offers coming in for Dyer from Leeds and Man Utd , SBR saying we should be looking to keep players like Dyer if we want to build a team.

 

Both were proven to be correct.

 

 

 

 

I suppose it comes down to ambition and finance.

 

Ambition costs money in this league.

 

 

Keegan allowed Cole to go because he wanted Ferdinand and eventually, Shearer.

It is not generally known that we made a bid for Shearer at the same time as Blackburn but they got him because a)they bid a bit more after our bid and b)Shearer wanted PL football which we couldn't offer him at the time because we were on the verge of our promotion season.

 

KK once said that Newcastle were like the Mounties because they always got their man - and in his days, we usually did.....

That ended when Fat Fred decided to - for his own reasons - 'keep his power dry' in the close season before we were due to play on qualifiers for the CL and we ended up with Bowyer on a free.

[BrettNUFC]

He is very lucky to be where he is, and we as a club are very unlucky to still have him here. There is no way he is going to turn this around and finish in the top 5 again. I think he sunk too far last season.

 

Gone by December.

 

I don't even think anyone rates him anymore, you just get the odd person who wants to say he deserves a chance but they always go too far with it. I don't know why they bother tbh.

 

When's he next gone by Reef since he's survived December?

 

Would you say the odd people were right to give him a chance, Venky?

 

 

Just had a quick scan back over comments before the season kicked off and the amount of people suggesting we were pretty much fucked this season is staggering. Can't believe it's been brushed into 'well we are where we should be' with very few praising the revival of both manager and players.

 

 

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

Where do you think Pardew gets the ideas from?

 

I'd say Ashley, it comes from the very top imo.

 

Exactly & the next manager will be the same till the man at the top changes.

 

I remember Keegan saying in his second spell he wouldn't be scared to spend £25m on a player - that sharp turned to stating we couldn't afford players on Chelsea's bench etc - then obviously they screwed him over.

 

The last time Pardew  was adamant a player would not be leaving. "100%" they sold him and replaced him with Shefki Kuqi.

 

Funny mentioning Keegan, do you remember when he was called in because he said in a interview we couldn't compete with the top clubs (KK knew what was going behind the scenes), Ashley was furious.

 

Look at it now, Pardew tells all and sundry and Ashley is fine with it. I understand why Pardew does it, he must know we aren't going to spend lots, and tbh i accept it. But in my eyes that doesn't make us a small club as he keeps telling us, when he talks about the club it's generally in the negative and it pisses me off.

 

Or maybe i'm just feigning anger (as a mung just pointed out fans on here are doing) when someone runs down the club i love.

 

I'm not sure he ever says we're a small club per se - but again I think it comes from the economic sense, i.e there are clubs out there who can make offers for our players we can't refuse.

 

The club has pretty much always sold it's best players - whether it's wee Hughie sodding off to Chelsea, Gazza going to Spurs, Cole to Man United, Carroll (!?) to Liverpool. We had a brief period when we didn't but overall whether it's Seymour or McKeag the fans have been continuously treat like s***.  Obviously some owners actually invested the money back into the team on players - some don't.

 

Ironically he's talking about it a lot now - how we can't hold on to players - but that's what we seem to be doing.

 

I want the club to show maximum ambition - but where we are now - where does that actually leave us?

 

At the moment we are doing well - a manager talking s**** doesn't bother me that much. I'm sure Keegan rattled on about s**** and even Sir Bobby at times - the difference being they were both thoroughly likeable, decent people - who happened to be uttterly class football managers. I don't think Pardew comes close to either of those categories.

 

Pardew has his limitations but overall he sees Ashley's vision of the club & Ashley's vision of football economics - I'm not sure if i'd prefer a manager pulling the wool - or a manager telling me that - to effect - we don't have the money other teams do & we'll accept the right bid for our players.

 

I think - to summarise  - I'm ranting about complete s**** - there may be some sense in there Bimpy, probably not

 

Loads of sense in there mate, i think pretty much spot on as well. A thing you mentioned there about selling players, we dont very often tbf and i suppose to Ashley's credit if we do sell, we sell for a lot.

 

I dont think we'll ever be free until Ashley's gone Not to sound like i want him to stay because i certainly dont, But i'd hate to an owner like Tan. If and when he does go i'm hoping for a decent owner, with some feeling for the club, i suppose i can but dream.

There's worse owners out there no doubt. I think for me what's important is identity, there's no doubt Ashley has buggered ours - not as much as Tan has Cardiff's but I've no doubt if he thought there was money at the end of it he'd do similar things.

 

[Guest bimpy474]

Going back over old comments is truly sad Brett, opinions can change, and be allowed to change.

[TaylorJ_01]

Ian Wat

[BrettNUFC]

Going back over old comments is truly sad Brett, opinions can change, and be allowed to change.

 

Not saying they can't change. They should change if anything. I went back over just to confirm what i thought of people playing out this season to be awful. Yet when it's not and it's actually been very good, not much praise is coming along and it's just like we should accept this position because it's where we should be yet it was still a difficult task to get here and not this god given right because we are Newcastle. Few were saying we had that god given right before we kicked the season off, we were in a fight. Just don't get why it's being glossed over the position we are in simply for the fact a handful of clubs in the league play better football.

[NG32]

I do seem to remember KK standing on the steps of the Milburn speaking with fans face to face explaining why he was selling Cole.  I also remember offers coming in for Dyer from Leeds and Man Utd , SBR saying we should be looking to keep players like Dyer if we want to build a team.

 

Both were proven to be correct.

 

 

 

 

I suppose it comes down to ambition and finance.

 

Ambition costs money in this league.

 

 

Keegan allowed Cole to go because he wanted Ferdinand and eventually, Shearer.

It is not generally known that we made a bid for Shearer at the same time as Blackburn but they got him because a)they bid a bit more after our bid and b)Shearer wanted PL football which we couldn't offer him at the time because we were on the verge of our promotion season.

 

KK once said that Newcastle were like the Mounties because they always got their man - and in his days, we usually did.....

That ended when Fat Fred decided to - for his own reasons - 'keep his power dry' in the close season before we were due to play on qualifiers for the CL and we ended up with Bowyer on a free.

 

We were skint weren't we?

[Guest bimpy474]

Where do you think Pardew gets the ideas from?

 

I'd say Ashley, it comes from the very top imo.

 

Exactly & the next manager will be the same till the man at the top changes.

 

I remember Keegan saying in his second spell he wouldn't be scared to spend £25m on a player - that sharp turned to stating we couldn't afford players on Chelsea's bench etc - then obviously they screwed him over.

 

The last time Pardew  was adamant a player would not be leaving. "100%" they sold him and replaced him with Shefki Kuqi.

 

Funny mentioning Keegan, do you remember when he was called in because he said in a interview we couldn't compete with the top clubs (KK knew what was going behind the scenes), Ashley was furious.

 

Look at it now, Pardew tells all and sundry and Ashley is fine with it. I understand why Pardew does it, he must know we aren't going to spend lots, and tbh i accept it. But in my eyes that doesn't make us a small club as he keeps telling us, when he talks about the club it's generally in the negative and it pisses me off.

 

Or maybe i'm just feigning anger (as a mung just pointed out fans on here are doing) when someone runs down the club i love.

 

I'm not sure he ever says we're a small club per se - but again I think it comes from the economic sense, i.e there are clubs out there who can make offers for our players we can't refuse.

 

The club has pretty much always sold it's best players - whether it's wee Hughie sodding off to Chelsea, Gazza going to Spurs, Cole to Man United, Carroll (!?) to Liverpool. We had a brief period when we didn't but overall whether it's Seymour or McKeag the fans have been continuously treat like s***.  Obviously some owners actually invested the money back into the team on players - some don't.

 

Ironically he's talking about it a lot now - how we can't hold on to players - but that's what we seem to be doing.

 

I want the club to show maximum ambition - but where we are now - where does that actually leave us?

 

At the moment we are doing well - a manager talking s**** doesn't bother me that much. I'm sure Keegan rattled on about s**** and even Sir Bobby at times - the difference being they were both thoroughly likeable, decent people - who happened to be uttterly class football managers. I don't think Pardew comes close to either of those categories.

 

Pardew has his limitations but overall he sees Ashley's vision of the club & Ashley's vision of football economics - I'm not sure if i'd prefer a manager pulling the wool - or a manager telling me that - to effect - we don't have the money other teams do & we'll accept the right bid for our players.

 

I think - to summarise  - I'm ranting about complete s**** - there may be some sense in there Bimpy, probably not

 

Loads of sense in there mate, i think pretty much spot on as well. A thing you mentioned there about selling players, we dont very often tbf and i suppose to Ashley's credit if we do sell, we sell for a lot.

 

I dont think we'll ever be free until Ashley's gone Not to sound like i want him to stay because i certainly dont, But i'd hate to an owner like Tan. If and when he does go i'm hoping for a decent owner, with some feeling for the club, i suppose i can but dream.

There's worse owners out there no doubt. I think for me what's important is identity, there's no doubt Ashley has buggered ours - not as much as Tan has Cardiff's but I've no doubt if he thought there was money at the end of it he'd do similar things.

 

 

Fair point, Tan is looking back home with his ridiculous stuff, very geared to Cardiff being attractive back there, no matter the effect on Cardiff or their fans.

 

I'm confused by Ashley immensely at times, the amount of revenue we've lost since he's took over is baffling. I suppose he benefits from Sports Direct advertising so couldn't care less now. He certainly isn't in football to win owt. Does make you wonder why he's in it at all.

[Hanshithispantz]

He is very lucky to be where he is, and we as a club are very unlucky to still have him here. There is no way he is going to turn this around and finish in the top 5 again. I think he sunk too far last season.

 

Gone by December.

 

I don't even think anyone rates him anymore, you just get the odd person who wants to say he deserves a chance but they always go too far with it. I don't know why they bother tbh.

 

When's he next gone by Reef since he's survived December?

 

Would you say the odd people were right to give him a chance, Venky?

 

 

Just had a quick scan back over comments before the season kicked off and the amount of people suggesting we were pretty much fucked this season is staggering. Can't believe it's been brushed into 'well we are where we should be' with very few praising the revival of both manager and players.

No not exactly, we're only half way through a season ffs. So it hasn't been the absolute unmitigated disaster some people feared, we're "par."

 

Wow, I'm so glad we gave him another chance instead of upgrading him.

[Guest bimpy474]

Going back over old comments is truly sad Brett, opinions can change, and be allowed to change.

 

Not saying they can't change. They should change if anything. I went back over just to confirm what i thought of people playing out this season to be awful. Yet when it's not and it's actually been very good, not much praise is coming along and it's just like we should accept this position because it's where we should be yet it was still a difficult task to get here and not this god given right because we are Newcastle. Few were saying we had that god given right before we kicked the season off, we were in a fight. Just don't get why it's being glossed over the position we are in simply for the fact a handful of clubs in the league play better football.

 

The thing to accept though is some are looking beyond just the results, looking more long term and can Pardew sustain it, and more importantly can his brand of football sustain long term, now they may be proven wrong in time.

 

Good season, poor season, good season, .... season ?. Now for a fraction of that (imo) the football has been ok, mainly this season for me which has been a massive improvement on last. But I'm definitely in the corner of we need more movement and attacking intent, which we'll never have under Pardew as it's not his style. His overall intent is mostly containment, not without decent stuff though as we've seen this term.

[Dr Venkman]

Brett, we've already made our peace as humans and I don't want to jeopardise that, you're wasting your time asking me questions about football (because I know nowt, fnar fnar).

[BrettNUFC]

That's fine, if you still think he should be sacked and the chance still shouldn't be given. All about opinions. I mentioned before the season, i think he could finish 5th again or win the fa cup yet some still wouldn't want him here. Think we got so low down last season there wasn't anything he could do to win people back around because they hate him that much and bar a few on here who are starting to have a bit more belief, i don't think that's really changed.

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

Where do you think Pardew gets the ideas from?

 

I'd say Ashley, it comes from the very top imo.

 

Exactly & the next manager will be the same till the man at the top changes.

 

I remember Keegan saying in his second spell he wouldn't be scared to spend £25m on a player - that sharp turned to stating we couldn't afford players on Chelsea's bench etc - then obviously they screwed him over.

 

The last time Pardew  was adamant a player would not be leaving. "100%" they sold him and replaced him with Shefki Kuqi.

 

Funny mentioning Keegan, do you remember when he was called in because he said in a interview we couldn't compete with the top clubs (KK knew what was going behind the scenes), Ashley was furious.

 

Look at it now, Pardew tells all and sundry and Ashley is fine with it. I understand why Pardew does it, he must know we aren't going to spend lots, and tbh i accept it. But in my eyes that doesn't make us a small club as he keeps telling us, when he talks about the club it's generally in the negative and it pisses me off.

 

Or maybe i'm just feigning anger (as a mung just pointed out fans on here are doing) when someone runs down the club i love.

 

I'm not sure he ever says we're a small club per se - but again I think it comes from the economic sense, i.e there are clubs out there who can make offers for our players we can't refuse.

 

The club has pretty much always sold it's best players - whether it's wee Hughie sodding off to Chelsea, Gazza going to Spurs, Cole to Man United, Carroll (!?) to Liverpool. We had a brief period when we didn't but overall whether it's Seymour or McKeag the fans have been continuously treat like s***.  Obviously some owners actually invested the money back into the team on players - some don't.

 

Ironically he's talking about it a lot now - how we can't hold on to players - but that's what we seem to be doing.

 

I want the club to show maximum ambition - but where we are now - where does that actually leave us?

 

At the moment we are doing well - a manager talking s**** doesn't bother me that much. I'm sure Keegan rattled on about s**** and even Sir Bobby at times - the difference being they were both thoroughly likeable, decent people - who happened to be uttterly class football managers. I don't think Pardew comes close to either of those categories.

 

Pardew has his limitations but overall he sees Ashley's vision of the club & Ashley's vision of football economics - I'm not sure if i'd prefer a manager pulling the wool - or a manager telling me that - to effect - we don't have the money other teams do & we'll accept the right bid for our players.

 

I think - to summarise  - I'm ranting about complete s**** - there may be some sense in there Bimpy, probably not

 

Loads of sense in there mate, i think pretty much spot on as well. A thing you mentioned there about selling players, we dont very often tbf and i suppose to Ashley's credit if we do sell, we sell for a lot.

 

I dont think we'll ever be free until Ashley's gone Not to sound like i want him to stay because i certainly dont, But i'd hate to an owner like Tan. If and when he does go i'm hoping for a decent owner, with some feeling for the club, i suppose i can but dream.

There's worse owners out there no doubt. I think for me what's important is identity, there's no doubt Ashley has buggered ours - not as much as Tan has Cardiff's but I've no doubt if he thought there was money at the end of it he'd do similar things.

 

 

Fair point, Tan is looking back home with his ridiculous stuff, very geared to Cardiff being attractive back there, no matter the effect on Cardiff or their fans.

 

I'm confused by Ashley immensely at times, the amount of revenue we've lost since he's took over is baffling. I suppose he benefits from Sports Direct advertising so couldn't care less now. He certainly isn't in football to win owt. Does make you wonder why he's in it at all.

 

It's weird like. I suppose we'll never really know what his crack was when he bought the club. Are we really here just to advertise?

 

If he wishes for Newcastle United & Sports Direct to be synergistic surely it makes sense for BOTH to be successful? Who wants to associate their brand or 'life's work' with a joke of a football club?

 

He makes crazy as owt decisions and we'll never now why. You could guess Kinnear was brought in to dissipate fans who wanted rid of Pardew - but who knows - they genuinely go to a pub to talk about stuff like this.

 

That's where the big decisions happen. In the fucking Orange Tree.