midds Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Been mentioned elsewhere but if these performances are the product of a motivated team who are behind their manager then how fucking bad is it going to get once he does lose them? Blatantly obvious they've quit on him. It's just prolonging the suffering now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellious Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 There doesn't have to be a clear leader in the squad for their relationship with the manager to break down beyond repair. That's already apparent if you ask me, but to get someone to go to Ashley or the press. Anything really that usually gets a manager sacked just isn`t going to happen with the type of characters in our squad let alone someone man enough to make Ashley listen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 To a certain extent I think they've just lost their motivation because there's nothing to play for. Not saying that's the be all and end all of it - clearly it's not - but we're certainly not the first team to have their form evaporate in these kind of circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 There doesn't have to be a clear leader in the squad for their relationship with the manager to break down beyond repair. That's already apparent if you ask me, but to get someone to go to Ashley or the press. Anything really that usually gets a manager sacked just isn`t going to happen with the type of characters in our squad let alone someone man enough to make Ashley listen. I think information on that kind of thing would tend to seep throughout the club anyway. It doesn't take a player to complain or lead some kind of rebellion, it just becomes obvious. The squad doesn't exist in a bubble, they're surrounded by coaches and executives who can all see what's happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Wouldn't surprise me if Ashley's in a clandestine meeting with Laurier Sanchez right now. Seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Been mentioned elsewhere but if these performances are the product of a motivated team who are behind their manager then how fucking bad is it going to get once he does lose them? Blatantly obvious they've quit on him. It's just prolonging the suffering now. debatable about if they've quit on him since pretty much the same thing was said last season and then there was the first half of this season when its clear they hadn't but what is clear is they've quit on the season and while Pardew has to take blame for failure to motivate them since we were safe its also a malaise that runs far deeper than just Pardew thats caused by Mike Ashley, there is no ambition at the club to better our current position and that spreads to the players who stop caring about the season when there's absolutely nothing to chase. The squad itself doesn't help as there is no leader at all in the dressing room or anyone who is even close to qualifying as one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I'm inclined to agree, but I think there might be a genuine chance he'll get the boot if this run continues. If he truly loses the players I can see it happening What evidence would prove this to you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Wouldn't surprise me if Ashley's in a clandestine meeting with Laurier Sanchez right now. Seriously. He's in the dugout about to play Ergotelis as we speak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I'm inclined to agree, but I think there might be a genuine chance he'll get the boot if this run continues. If he truly loses the players I can see it happening What evidence would prove this to you? Some kind of leak from the club perhaps, or him getting sacked for that reason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Not the relegation form we're in then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I'm inclined to agree, but I think there might be a genuine chance he'll get the boot if this run continues. If he truly loses the players I can see it happening What evidence would prove this to you? A poor run of form, conceding a lot of goals, good players looking a shadow of their former selves...actually, hang on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 If he gets sacked for losing the players then I'd agree that he could get the boot if this run continues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Been mentioned elsewhere but if these performances are the product of a motivated team who are behind their manager then how fucking bad is it going to get once he does lose them? Blatantly obvious they've quit on him. It's just prolonging the suffering now. debatable about if they've quit on him since pretty much the same thing was said last season and then there was the first half of this season when its clear they hadn't but what is clear is they've quit on the season and while Pardew has to take blame for failure to motivate them since we were safe its also a malaise that runs far deeper than just Pardew thats caused by Mike Ashley, there is no ambition at the club to better our current position and that spreads to the players who stop caring about the season when there's absolutely nothing to chase. The squad itself doesn't help as there is no leader at all in the dressing room or anyone who is even close to qualifying as one. Loss of motivation with nothing to play for is one thing, getting hammered by 3's an 4's week in week out would suggest a more serious problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 There was a huge bust-up with the players at the back end of last season, hence the Telegraph still being banned for reporting it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 There was a huge bust-up with the players at the back end of last season, hence the Telegraph still being banned for reporting it. They aren't banned now IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Not the relegation form we're in then. Obviously it's pretty damning but we don't know for sure. In the past we've had terrible runs of form yet he's appeared to have kept the squad more or less content. It could just be that our season is effectively over so the players are phoning in their performances, or it could be that the players have genuinely abandoned the manager. I suspect it'll become clear one way or the other at some point soon, be it via a leak or some kind of decision / statement, but there's just not enough information to call it right now. The way we're playing I wouldn't be at all surprised if the team was on the verge of a mutiny mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Been mentioned elsewhere but if these performances are the product of a motivated team who are behind their manager then how fucking bad is it going to get once he does lose them? Blatantly obvious they've quit on him. It's just prolonging the suffering now. debatable about if they've quit on him since pretty much the same thing was said last season and then there was the first half of this season when its clear they hadn't but what is clear is they've quit on the season and while Pardew has to take blame for failure to motivate them since we were safe its also a malaise that runs far deeper than just Pardew thats caused by Mike Ashley, there is no ambition at the club to better our current position and that spreads to the players who stop caring about the season when there's absolutely nothing to chase. The squad itself doesn't help as there is no leader at all in the dressing room or anyone who is even close to qualifying as one. Loss of motivation with nothing to play for is one thing, getting hammered by 3's an 4's week in week out would suggest a more serious problem. perhaps but the timing of this downturn is too closely timed to when we're basically safe to ignore personally. But the pattern of big defeats is nowt new and says as much about the squads tendency to just say fuck it and give up in matchs as it does Pardew. I say fuck the lot of them and get rid of them all but thats not likely sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Good to see that Pardew can't instill any professionalism into our players. The season's over for us but a manager should still be expected to motivate his squad of players to play at their best week in, week out but instead the players we're seeing on the pitch have no passion or fighting spirit. Pardew's incompetence and his clear non-commitment to the cause have rubbed off on the players. No-one cares anymore at this football club and what a fucking shame that fucking is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 There was a huge bust-up with the players at the back end of last season, hence the Telegraph still being banned for reporting it. Any details on that? I didn't hear much about it. Interesting if there's been a problem throughout this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Good to see that Pardew can't instill any professionalism into our players. The season's over for us but a manager should still be expected to motivate his squad of players to play at their best week in, week out but instead the players we're seeing on the pitch have no passion or fighting spirit. Pardew's incompetence and his clear non-commitment to the cause have rubbed off on the players. No-one cares anymore at this football club and what a fucking shame that fucking is. which won't change any time soon, players aren't sold on the club because of promises of trying to improve the club steadily and eventually compete for trophy's or european spots they're sold on the promise of moving up in the football pyramid should they do well. Thats not exactly the kind of recipe for getting anyone who cares that much about the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Good to see that Pardew can't instill any professionalism into our players. The season's over for us but a manager should still be expected to motivate his squad of players to play at their best week in, week out but instead the players we're seeing on the pitch have no passion or fighting spirit. Pardew's incompetence and his clear non-commitment to the cause have rubbed off on the players. No-one cares anymore at this football club and what a fucking shame that fucking is. Yep. I think the players would do a lot better if they were playing for enjoyment if nothing else. How do you enjoy camping in your own half behind the ball with rarely more one man allowed anywhere near the opposition penalty area? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Barry fry/John Gregory/Danny dyer then. Some other useless tosser. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dabe Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Good to see that Pardew can't instill any professionalism into our players. The season's over for us but a manager should still be expected to motivate his squad of players to play at their best week in, week out but instead the players we're seeing on the pitch have no passion or fighting spirit. Pardew's incompetence and his clear non-commitment to the cause have rubbed off on the players. No-one cares anymore at this football club and what a f***ing shame that f***ing is. Yup, hard to do when you're off headbutting people like. The fucking state of this club at the minute man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Good to see that Pardew can't instill any professionalism into our players. The season's over for us but a manager should still be expected to motivate his squad of players to play at their best week in, week out but instead the players we're seeing on the pitch have no passion or fighting spirit. Pardew's incompetence and his clear non-commitment to the cause have rubbed off on the players. No-one cares anymore at this football club and what a f***ing shame that f***ing is. Yep. I think the players would do a lot better if they were playing for enjoyment if nothing else. How do you enjoy camping in your own half behind the ball with rarely more one man allowed anywhere near the opposition penalty area? This. I mean, if you aren't planning for next season and have nothing left to play for, surely creating a relaxed atmosphere where players can express themselves and entertain the paying fans would be the logical choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 this excuse of having nothing to play for. I've watched us for over 30 years including plenty of mid table finishes (even under SBR), but never have I seen a second half to a season like this in terms of lack of effort. there's been plenty of dreadful seasons in terms of quality - but nothing like this in terms of throwing the towel in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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