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I didn't say everyone, but there are just enough to make reading this thread and match threads an absolute f***ing chore. He gets absolutely no credit for anything, instead there are a number of posters who will willfully ignore or misrepresent stuff that has actually occurred just to have a dig. I regularly come on here now and find myself questioning whether I watched the same match as some. If this was my only contact with our supporters I'd be questioning my own sanity.

 

And I say all this as someone who tolerates Pardew. I don't really like the man. If he left tomorrow I wouldn't be particularly upset because I think he's a pretty average coach whose grasp on the English language is infuriatingly poor.

 

Christ, do you expect everybody to hold the same opinion that you hold?

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Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got s*** for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus.

 

It's not impossible at all. Of course some people are vehemently against him, but that doesn't mean everyone is and lumping everyone together with the strongest single viewpoint (and in many cases attributing statements that nobody at all have made) does nothing to advance the debate. In fact it's that kind of thing that drags it all down.

 

Exactly, i'm in a postion of seeing better football, a definite plus point. But still seeing the same defensive mindset in 2nd halfs if we're winning, and virtually knowing we wont come from behind if we concede first, some thing we've had with him from the very start. In that it's more the never looking like coming back that irks me.

 

Aligned with his constant talking down of the club and team, constant transfer talk bollocks, his 'lets win for Mike' disgraceful comment. It's not just one thing with him, it's more than just the football.

 

Tbf to Toon Pack, he said he didn't care about that stuff as long we're winning. I can't agree with that point of view at all. But we have a theme on here of, you love him or hate him. No middle ground.

 

I'm in the middle ground tbh

 

I see signs of improvement, I see no current reason to change, other than for changes sake and that has served us (and other clubs) so well in the past hasn't it.

 

I wanted his head on a spike after the mackems and Liverpool at home last season, I really thought there was no coming back from that, even Blyth bloody Spartans shouldn't lose 6-0 at home to a Liverpool without Suarez. This season says I was wrong.

 

I hated him but i'm ready to admit i'm wrong as i never thought i would see a goal like our second yesterday, i really thought under him playing decent was gone. But where we differ is his mouth, i detest it. I detest fans being blamed by him (the Cardiff defeat, players not used to playing in front of so few), well that's partly his fault for treating the cups like he does, and the rank performances in the last few years. And the 'lets win for Mike' is as disgraceful as you get, and i'll never forgive that after what that cunt of an owner has done in the past.

 

But i accept he's not leaving, i want better football long term and i do hope it's under him, as strange at that might sound but i want the team to be better, like i said he's not going anywhere so i've got accept it'll only come under him while Ashley's our owner.

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I didn't say everyone, but there are just enough to make reading this thread and match threads an absolute f***ing chore. He gets absolutely no credit for anything, instead there are a number of posters who will willfully ignore or misrepresent stuff that has actually occurred just to have a dig. I regularly come on here now and find myself questioning whether I watched the same match as some. If this was my only contact with our supporters I'd be questioning my own sanity.

 

And I say all this as someone who tolerates Pardew. I don't really like the man. If he left tomorrow I wouldn't be particularly upset because I think he's a pretty average coach whose grasp on the English language is infuriatingly poor.

 

Christ, do you expect everybody to hold the same opinion that you hold?

 

Not at all, I just expect the criticism leveled at him to at least have some tenuous link to reality.

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Not at all, I just expect the criticism leveled at him to at least have some tenuous link to reality.

 

Your version of reality?  You can get 10 different people watching 10 different events totally unrelated to football ant they'll all see it in a different way.

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The best thing is, those moaning about people moaning about Pardew rather than reveling in the result are probably spending more time moaning about people moaning than reveling in the result themselves :lol:

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I am confused.  What do the stats show?

They show an aggregation of specific events that occurred during a pre defined scenario. They don't show you anything more than that. That is probably why anyone with a grasp of the subtleties of football choose to debate the things their eyes witnessed.

Personally, my eyes saw a manager bring Shola on to eschew genuine ball retention in favour of "containing" a team that had no midfield or defence. Having seen the whole game I would choose to use what i saw to form the basis of my summary. However, if I knew nowt about a sport, stats would be all I had. Were that the case, I'd probably think we had a really good manager. 

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Kevin said today Alan Pardew:

 

“But Alan’s a good lad. I know him well, he is very dedicated and he works very hard. The sad thing is that Alan is going in and is getting off on the wrong foot through no fault of his own.”

 

“The supporters won’t be resistant to Alan because of the circumstances of his appointment, though. Any criticism will be leveled at Llambias and Mike Ashley, because it is their decision.”

 

“The fans would be wrong to pick on Alan. Obviously if results don’t go well then they may start to voice discontent, but Alan is just the meat in the middle of the sandwich here.”

 

 

Rob Lee: Alan Pardew isn't my choice but he's doing a good job

 

Is Alan Pardew a good football manager?

 

This is a question I have been asked once or twice over the years. It’s a difficult one for me to answer.

 

After some consideration I would say that, yes, on the whole he is a good manager. His overall results make a strong case for this assertion.

 

Pardew is a good organiser of a team. We rarely get battered, although it has happened, and everyone seems to know their jobs.

 

His first full season was an unqualified success. The fans and media loved him. He was voted manager of the year by his peers.

 

Last time out was more difficult, although much of that was down to the lack of transfer business.

 

And this season has been more than OK. It’s always a bumpy road that Newcastle United wander down. It’s never smooth.

 

He has handled most of it really well and yet there are many supporters who just can’t take to him.

 

Some back him, but I would guess the majority will never like the guy no matter what he does, and the rest can’t make up their mind.

 

That’s down to the actual club and where we stand right now.

 

Because the fans don’t like the owner and quite a lot of what has happened in and around Newcastle United in recent months, this ill feeling is defected onto Pardew and it’s hardly his fault.

 

I do feel sorry for him to a degree.

 

Pardew has to keep the fans happy, as well as Mike Ashley. Now considering those two parties seem to be constantly bickering, how does one man keep the two factions onside at the same time?

 

That’s nigh on an impossible job for a human being.

 

Pardew also has a third task, to win football games. His hands are pretty full.

 

Managing Newcastle United is a wonderful honour, but is also bloody difficult.

 

So I take my hat off to anyone – well nearly anyone – who takes on that job.

 

I have a feeling that we are going to have a good season and if that were to happen, much of the success comes down on the manager.

 

I know we say every season that it’s a strange league, but this year really is. We have a chance of doing really well and nobody will be more pleased than me.

 

But no matter what, Pardew will never win over them all.

 

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"The stats are there for all to see" :lol:

 

That's what I'm saying is bollocks.

 

I haven't even critisised Shola's introduction, so I'm not sure why you're lumping me in with that opinion? I just find the argument of "we had more shots on target after the sub" pretty hilarious.

 

I never said that, we actually created way more chances than WHU after the sub, between the 60th and 90th minutes, having created none between the 47th and 60th ergo we regained control having lost it.

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I am confused.  What do the stats show?

They show an aggregation of specific events that occurred during a pre defined scenario. They don't show you anything more than that. That is probably why anyone with a grasp of the subtleties of football choose to debate the things their eyes witnessed.

Personally, my eyes saw a manager bring Shola on to eschew genuine ball retention in favour of "containing" a team that had no midfield or defence. Having seen the whole game I would choose to use what i saw to form the basis of my summary. However, if I knew nowt about a sport, stats would be all I had. Were that the case, I'd probably think we had a really good manager. 

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"The stats are there for all to see" :lol:

 

That's what I'm saying is bollocks.

 

I haven't even critisised Shola's introduction, so I'm not sure why you're lumping me in with that opinion? I just find the argument of "we had more shots on target after the sub" pretty hilarious.

 

I never said that, we actually created way more chances than WHU after the sub, between the 60th and 90th minutes, having created none between the 47th and 60th ergo we regained control having lost it.

 

You cant ignore the fact they were pushing on trying to get an equaliser. Shola was brought on to help defend set pieces not create more chances tbf. They're the worst team i've seen in the league, i really hope they go down.

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I think a major factor behind our failure to kill teams off is our lack of ability to hit teams on the break, and that comes down to poor technical ability amongst too many players. Quite often, we win possession on a turnover and then waste precious seconds with passes that are designed to keep the ball rather than move it forward into threatening positions. As a result, players don't really charge forward with confidence in that situation because they've no confidence that they'll get the ball.

 

The chief culprit here is Tiote. The guy always seems to need two or three extra touches before he's able to release the ball, and his passes are rarely of a defence-splitting nature. I just feel his presence plays its part in ensuring a comfortable mid-table position, but he also limits how much this team can progress.

 

I don't agree with the view that the squad is under-achieving because of Pardew's tactics. If anything, he's making the most out of what he's got. Whether he should share responsibility for the state of the squad is another point - a lot of people at our club have a finger in that particular pie.

 

Utter lunacy. The transfer values of our squad players individually blows that ludicrous theory out of the water.

 

I'd say we were the 8th best side in the division and we're in our rightful place.

 

Of the 11 who started yesterday, I'd say only one - Cabaye - had real technical ability. We are a well organised, athletic team rather than a skilful one, and that limits how far we can progress from this point. The usual complaint is he doesn't start Ben Arfa, but given Ben Arfa's erratic play and poor defensive work, it's not exactly a clear cut decision.

 

We need to strike gold by unearthing one or two uncut diamonds, either through the youth development side, or by signing an underdeveloped talent from abroad. We can't compete with the bigger clubs for the top players of proven ability. Not yet anyway.

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