Guest bimpy474 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 God Pardew really is one boring fucktard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Pards got the tactics spot on today IMO - the same tactics that saw us beat Swansea last year and win 4 on the bounce just this season. The players let him down today, and the luck went against us and a bad referee too. FWIW on another day we'd have nicked this 1-0. Krul let us down. Let's just get behind Pards and hope for a reaction to the end of this glorious run and a wave too. The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins... I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns. Yep, happened in one game involving 2 different teams that madras saw so we can discount it happening before our eyes as "the natural way of things" in almost every game under Pardew in which we've taken the lead. i used a recent game many would have saw as an example, you don't think it's natural that a team after going a goal down pushes on a bit more ? we saw that we did tonight got caught doing it but we did. Of course it happens to a degree but as usual you're treating situations as black and white, one or the other. When we have a lead we regularly go from playing some very decent football indeed to not being able/willing to string 2 passes together, switching to hoofing as the only means of defending, sitting 10 yards further back, and generally inviting pressure. There's no way it's a coincidence that this happens to the extent that it does under Pardew as you suggest, and I'm basing that on 20 years of watching football matches including NUFC ones and seeing trends rather than 1 game in the Midlands. naturally you know I'm basing it on longer, to my mind it;s a mix of things, the team going a goal down will want to push, the other team will be expecting this, it's not a tactic. hoofing was a problem last year but watch other teams, they do it aswell when under pressure. fwiw i do think we suffer from struggling to handle the pressure that other teams naturally put on after going a goal down, also why we struggle after going a goa l behind but it's not necessarily tactical, it's the players being quite one paced in that they can't up the tempo for longer periods that are needed. I wasn't trying to have a competition on who had watched football longer, i.e. who's older. I just think you're wrong, I think certainly you'll encounter more of a backlash when you go in front but under Keegan, Robson and even the likes of Roeder at times there'd be plenty of games where we'd go in front then go on to win the game comfortably, generally playing in a similar way from start to finish. Pardew has been here 3 years and if I thought really hard I could probably only give you a handful of times when that's occurred, tops. But nah, it's not a tactic. I understand what you mean...........but (you knew that was coming didncha ?) I don't think he'd use a tactic which has failed so often for him, then what, what if it's the players ? why do you think we struggle when we go a goal down, are the tactics still to defend ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I understand what you mean...........but (you knew that was coming didncha ?) I don't think he'd use a tactic which has failed so often for him, then what, what if it's the players ? why do you think we struggle when we go a goal down, are the tactics still to defend ? If it is the players then it's the managers job to do something about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I understand what you mean...........but (you knew that was coming didncha ?) I don't think he'd use a tactic which has failed so often for him, then what, what if it's the players ? why do you think we struggle when we go a goal down, are the tactics still to defend ? If it is the players then it's the managers job to do something about it. aye to a point, increasingly though they are having less say and are becoming de facto head coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew? 15 times in 112 league matches. How many times have we won by two goals or more. ? Howay, I'm not that bored. worth a try. I am that bored. 18 times in 112 league games. How many times had we won by 2 goals or more in the preceding 112 premier league games? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew? 15 times in 112 league matches. How many times have we won by two goals or more. ? Howay, I'm not that bored. worth a try. I am that bored. 18 times in 112 league games. How many times had we won by 2 goals or more in the preceding 112 premier league games? Don't care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew? 15 times in 112 league matches. How many times have we won by two goals or more. ? Howay, I'm not that bored. worth a try. I am that bored. 18 times in 112 league games. How many times had we won by 2 goals or more in the preceding 112 premier league games? 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 aye to a point, increasingly though they are having less say and are becoming de facto head coaches. Give over man, even if he's the head coach it's his job to coach them to play the way he wants them to play, which he clearly is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 West Ham 3-0 Fulham Everton 4-0 Stoke West Brom 3-0 mackems Southampton 4-1 Hull Swansea 4-0 mackems Swansea 3-0 Newcastle Palace 1-4 Fulham All just from this season. You don't need to be a fantastic side to give someone the occasional hoofing. "There are no easy games in this league" - clearly there are. I could easily extend this list by including games in the Europa League and the League Cup too as we've frequently shown how disinterested we are in even giving some genuine minnows a pasting. Where did Liverpool finish last season, 7th? A decent upper-midtable side who won by 3 clear goals in the league on 9 occasions whilst we scrabble round attempting to hang onto 1 goal leads against everyone, no matter who they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Dear god those were under Fat Sam, KK (good for a bit) and JFK, Shearer. We've had some shit to shovel like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew? 15 times in 112 league matches. How many times have we won by two goals or more. ? Howay, I'm not that bored. worth a try. I am that bored. 18 times in 112 league games. How many times had we won by 2 goals or more in the preceding 112 premier league games? 17 I make it 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Pards got the tactics spot on today IMO - the same tactics that saw us beat Swansea last year and win 4 on the bounce just this season. The players let him down today, and the luck went against us and a bad referee too. FWIW on another day we'd have nicked this 1-0. Krul let us down. Let's just get behind Pards and hope for a reaction to the end of this glorious run and a wave too. The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins... I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns. Yep, happened in one game involving 2 different teams that madras saw so we can discount it happening before our eyes as "the natural way of things" in almost every game under Pardew in which we've taken the lead. i used a recent game many would have saw as an example, you don't think it's natural that a team after going a goal down pushes on a bit more ? we saw that we did tonight got caught doing it but we did. Of course it happens to a degree but as usual you're treating situations as black and white, one or the other. When we have a lead we regularly go from playing some very decent football indeed to not being able/willing to string 2 passes together, switching to hoofing as the only means of defending, sitting 10 yards further back, and generally inviting pressure. There's no way it's a coincidence that this happens to the extent that it does under Pardew as you suggest, and I'm basing that on 20 years of watching football matches including NUFC ones and seeing trends rather than 1 game in the Midlands. naturally you know I'm basing it on longer, to my mind it;s a mix of things, the team going a goal down will want to push, the other team will be expecting this, it's not a tactic. hoofing was a problem last year but watch other teams, they do it aswell when under pressure. fwiw i do think we suffer from struggling to handle the pressure that other teams naturally put on after going a goal down, also why we struggle after going a goa l behind but it's not necessarily tactical, it's the players being quite one paced in that they can't up the tempo for longer periods that are needed. I wasn't trying to have a competition on who had watched football longer, i.e. who's older. I just think you're wrong, I think certainly you'll encounter more of a backlash when you go in front but under Keegan, Robson and even the likes of Roeder at times there'd be plenty of games where we'd go in front then go on to win the game comfortably, generally playing in a similar way from start to finish. Pardew has been here 3 years and if I thought really hard I could probably only give you a handful of times when that's occurred, tops. But nah, it's not a tactic. I understand what you mean...........but (you knew that was coming didncha ?) I don't think he'd use a tactic which has failed so often for him, then what, what if it's the players ? why do you think we struggle when we go a goal down, are the tactics still to defend ? The tactics appear to be to nick a goal then perhaps another then defend it for our lives, cancel the game out as a spectator sport at best and come unstuck at worst. There isn't much of a Plan B when we go behind, the records show you that because we've rarely managed to turn that scenario into anything other than a loss. It's funny that you blame the players when our player turnover's been pretty high over the years that Pardew has been in charge, it's a bit of a mad coincidence that we keep buying these players that love hanging on for dear life every time they go ahead in a game. In fact I think it happened less in his first half season before he'd managed to implement his coaching methods, we actually did batter a few teams during that period. Anyway, for comparative purposes, Pardew's side vs Liverpool in 2010: Krul Simpson Jose Enrique Tiote Steven Taylor Campbell Barton Nolan Carroll Ameobi Gutierrez Pardew's side tonight: Krul Debuchy Williamson Coloccini Santon Tiote Cabaye Sissoko Gouffran Sh.Ameobi Remy Seems mad that it's the players like, when it's mainly completely different players. Krul must be influential as fuck in his insistence he wants to earn his wages each week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 aye to a point, increasingly though they are having less say and are becoming de facto head coaches. Give over man, even if he's the head coach it's his job to coach them to play the way he wants them to play, which he clearly is. no doubt, i'm just not so sure that many of the managers we could get could do much better with what we have. i'd love us to get a a pochettino but I haven't a clue right now on up and coming euro talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 West Ham 3-0 Fulham Everton 4-0 Stoke West Brom 3-0 mackems Southampton 4-1 Hull Swansea 4-0 mackems Swansea 3-0 Newcastle Palace 1-4 Fulham All just from this season. You don't need to be a fantastic side to give someone the occasional hoofing. "There are no easy games in this league" - clearly there are. I could easily extend this list by including games in the Europa League and the League Cup too as we've frequently shown how disinterested we are in even giving some genuine minnows a pasting. Where did Liverpool finish last season, 7th? A decent upper-midtable side who won by 3 clear goals in the league on 9 occasions whilst we scrabble round attempting to hang onto 1 goal leads against everyone, no matter who they are. That's nice but aren't we above all those teams bar Everton? Although I realise looking at the league table is largely frowned upon. It's always nice to deliver a good bumming, but it's not particularly important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Pards got the tactics spot on today IMO - the same tactics that saw us beat Swansea last year and win 4 on the bounce just this season. The players let him down today, and the luck went against us and a bad referee too. FWIW on another day we'd have nicked this 1-0. Krul let us down. Let's just get behind Pards and hope for a reaction to the end of this glorious run and a wave too. The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins... I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns. Yep, happened in one game involving 2 different teams that madras saw so we can discount it happening before our eyes as "the natural way of things" in almost every game under Pardew in which we've taken the lead. i used a recent game many would have saw as an example, you don't think it's natural that a team after going a goal down pushes on a bit more ? we saw that we did tonight got caught doing it but we did. Of course it happens to a degree but as usual you're treating situations as black and white, one or the other. When we have a lead we regularly go from playing some very decent football indeed to not being able/willing to string 2 passes together, switching to hoofing as the only means of defending, sitting 10 yards further back, and generally inviting pressure. There's no way it's a coincidence that this happens to the extent that it does under Pardew as you suggest, and I'm basing that on 20 years of watching football matches including NUFC ones and seeing trends rather than 1 game in the Midlands. naturally you know I'm basing it on longer, to my mind it;s a mix of things, the team going a goal down will want to push, the other team will be expecting this, it's not a tactic. hoofing was a problem last year but watch other teams, they do it aswell when under pressure. fwiw i do think we suffer from struggling to handle the pressure that other teams naturally put on after going a goal down, also why we struggle after going a goa l behind but it's not necessarily tactical, it's the players being quite one paced in that they can't up the tempo for longer periods that are needed. I wasn't trying to have a competition on who had watched football longer, i.e. who's older. I just think you're wrong, I think certainly you'll encounter more of a backlash when you go in front but under Keegan, Robson and even the likes of Roeder at times there'd be plenty of games where we'd go in front then go on to win the game comfortably, generally playing in a similar way from start to finish. Pardew has been here 3 years and if I thought really hard I could probably only give you a handful of times when that's occurred, tops. But nah, it's not a tactic. I understand what you mean...........but (you knew that was coming didncha ?) I don't think he'd use a tactic which has failed so often for him, then what, what if it's the players ? why do you think we struggle when we go a goal down, are the tactics still to defend ? The tactics appear to be to nick a goal then perhaps another then defend it for our lives, cancel the game out as a spectator sport at best and come unstuck at worst. There isn't much of a Plan B when we go behind, the records show you that because we've rarely managed to turn that scenario into anything other than a loss. It's funny that you blame the players when our player turnover's been pretty high over the years that Pardew has been in charge, it's a bit of a mad coincidence that we keep buying these players that love hanging on for dear life every time they go ahead in a game. In fact I think it happened less in his first half season before he'd managed to implement his coaching methods, we actually did batter a few teams during that period. Anyway, for comparative purposes, Pardew's side vs Liverpool in 2010: Krul Simpson Jose Enrique Tiote Steven Taylor Campbell Barton Nolan Carroll Ameobi Gutierrez Pardew's side tonight: Krul Debuchy Williamson Coloccini Santon Tiote Cabaye Sissoko Gouffran Sh.Ameobi Remy Seems mad that it's the players like, when it's mainly completely different players. Krul must be influential as f*** in his insistence he wants to earn his wages each week. i thought you were a stalwart of the pardew has no say brigade ? why would he employ the same tactics all the time even when they fuck up, no matter how bad you think he is surely he'd think, "thats not worked week after week, change it a bit" ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 no doubt, i'm just not so sure that many of the managers we could get could do much better with what we have. i'd love us to get a a pochettino but I haven't a clue right now on up and coming euro talent. Fair enough, we're not miles apart, I just don't know why you defend him when you will be watching the games that I do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 West Ham 3-0 Fulham Everton 4-0 Stoke West Brom 3-0 mackems Southampton 4-1 Hull Swansea 4-0 mackems Swansea 3-0 Newcastle Palace 1-4 Fulham All just from this season. You don't need to be a fantastic side to give someone the occasional hoofing. "There are no easy games in this league" - clearly there are. I could easily extend this list by including games in the Europa League and the League Cup too as we've frequently shown how disinterested we are in even giving some genuine minnows a pasting. Where did Liverpool finish last season, 7th? A decent upper-midtable side who won by 3 clear goals in the league on 9 occasions whilst we scrabble round attempting to hang onto 1 goal leads against everyone, no matter who they are. That's nice but aren't we above all those teams bar Everton? Although I realise looking at the league table is largely frowned upon. It's always nice to deliver a good bumming, but it's not particularly important. Er yeah we are. That was my point, that most teams should be able to manage it, and most mid-table sides do. I can list Chelsea, Liverpool's, Man United's and Man City's if you like? It's a canny bit longer mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 That's nice but aren't we above all those teams bar Everton? Although I realise looking at the league table is largely frowned upon. It's always nice to deliver a good bumming, but it's not particularly important. Of course it's important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Pards got the tactics spot on today IMO - the same tactics that saw us beat Swansea last year and win 4 on the bounce just this season. The players let him down today, and the luck went against us and a bad referee too. FWIW on another day we'd have nicked this 1-0. Krul let us down. Let's just get behind Pards and hope for a reaction to the end of this glorious run and a wave too. The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins... I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns. Yep, happened in one game involving 2 different teams that madras saw so we can discount it happening before our eyes as "the natural way of things" in almost every game under Pardew in which we've taken the lead. i used a recent game many would have saw as an example, you don't think it's natural that a team after going a goal down pushes on a bit more ? we saw that we did tonight got caught doing it but we did. Of course it happens to a degree but as usual you're treating situations as black and white, one or the other. When we have a lead we regularly go from playing some very decent football indeed to not being able/willing to string 2 passes together, switching to hoofing as the only means of defending, sitting 10 yards further back, and generally inviting pressure. There's no way it's a coincidence that this happens to the extent that it does under Pardew as you suggest, and I'm basing that on 20 years of watching football matches including NUFC ones and seeing trends rather than 1 game in the Midlands. naturally you know I'm basing it on longer, to my mind it;s a mix of things, the team going a goal down will want to push, the other team will be expecting this, it's not a tactic. hoofing was a problem last year but watch other teams, they do it aswell when under pressure. fwiw i do think we suffer from struggling to handle the pressure that other teams naturally put on after going a goal down, also why we struggle after going a goa l behind but it's not necessarily tactical, it's the players being quite one paced in that they can't up the tempo for longer periods that are needed. I wasn't trying to have a competition on who had watched football longer, i.e. who's older. I just think you're wrong, I think certainly you'll encounter more of a backlash when you go in front but under Keegan, Robson and even the likes of Roeder at times there'd be plenty of games where we'd go in front then go on to win the game comfortably, generally playing in a similar way from start to finish. Pardew has been here 3 years and if I thought really hard I could probably only give you a handful of times when that's occurred, tops. But nah, it's not a tactic. I understand what you mean...........but (you knew that was coming didncha ?) I don't think he'd use a tactic which has failed so often for him, then what, what if it's the players ? why do you think we struggle when we go a goal down, are the tactics still to defend ? The tactics appear to be to nick a goal then perhaps another then defend it for our lives, cancel the game out as a spectator sport at best and come unstuck at worst. There isn't much of a Plan B when we go behind, the records show you that because we've rarely managed to turn that scenario into anything other than a loss. It's funny that you blame the players when our player turnover's been pretty high over the years that Pardew has been in charge, it's a bit of a mad coincidence that we keep buying these players that love hanging on for dear life every time they go ahead in a game. In fact I think it happened less in his first half season before he'd managed to implement his coaching methods, we actually did batter a few teams during that period. Anyway, for comparative purposes, Pardew's side vs Liverpool in 2010: Krul Simpson Jose Enrique Tiote Steven Taylor Campbell Barton Nolan Carroll Ameobi Gutierrez Pardew's side tonight: Krul Debuchy Williamson Coloccini Santon Tiote Cabaye Sissoko Gouffran Sh.Ameobi Remy Seems mad that it's the players like, when it's mainly completely different players. Krul must be influential as f*** in his insistence he wants to earn his wages each week. i thought you were a stalwart of the pardew has no say brigade ? why would he employ the same tactics all the time even when they fuck up, no matter how bad you think he is surely he'd think, "thats not worked week after week, change it a bit" ? Dunno mate, why would he? I've given you various reasons why I think it's a tactic/instruction, you're on to the bare bones of "It doesn't work so why would he do it?" Bringing Obertan on never works, in fact bothering with Obertan rarely has worked during the course of over 2 seasons, why does he do that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 i thought you were a stalwart of the pardew has no say brigade ? why would he employ the same tactics all the time even when they f*** up, no matter how bad you think he is surely he'd think, "thats not worked week after week, change it a bit" ? It's arrogance, he can't be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 West Ham 3-0 Fulham Everton 4-0 Stoke West Brom 3-0 mackems Southampton 4-1 Hull Swansea 4-0 mackems Swansea 3-0 Newcastle Palace 1-4 Fulham All just from this season. You don't need to be a fantastic side to give someone the occasional hoofing. "There are no easy games in this league" - clearly there are. I could easily extend this list by including games in the Europa League and the League Cup too as we've frequently shown how disinterested we are in even giving some genuine minnows a pasting. Where did Liverpool finish last season, 7th? A decent upper-midtable side who won by 3 clear goals in the league on 9 occasions whilst we scrabble round attempting to hang onto 1 goal leads against everyone, no matter who they are. That's nice but aren't we above all those teams bar Everton? Although I realise looking at the league table is largely frowned upon. It's always nice to deliver a good bumming, but it's not particularly important. Well we were discussing taking enjoyment from the matches, including our play, positivity and confidence of the players. So yeah it matters in this context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 My post had absolutely nothing to do with Pardew's say on transfer policy btw madras, would be amazed if anybody thought it did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew? 15 times in 112 league matches. How many times have we won by two goals or more. ? Howay, I'm not that bored. Watch the match again mate, you'll be begging bimpy for more stats to look up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 no doubt, i'm just not so sure that many of the managers we could get could do much better with what we have. i'd love us to get a a pochettino but I haven't a clue right now on up and coming euro talent. Fair enough, we're not miles apart, I just don't know why you defend him when you will be watching the games that I do. i don't defend him all the time, i think he fucked up today with colo and shola which I said pre match (not post match wisdom), he has been too defensive at times, particularly last season when he was shitting himself, but too many on here play the relentless game of "everythings his fault". what i mean is i'll slag him off when i think he deserves it, i'll not slag him off because i've found a quote or whatever and i've picked it aparrt to find a way to twist it to have a go at him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 West Ham 3-0 Fulham Everton 4-0 Stoke West Brom 3-0 mackems Southampton 4-1 Hull Swansea 4-0 mackems Swansea 3-0 Newcastle Palace 1-4 Fulham All just from this season. You don't need to be a fantastic side to give someone the occasional hoofing. "There are no easy games in this league" - clearly there are. I could easily extend this list by including games in the Europa League and the League Cup too as we've frequently shown how disinterested we are in even giving some genuine minnows a pasting. Where did Liverpool finish last season, 7th? A decent upper-midtable side who won by 3 clear goals in the league on 9 occasions whilst we scrabble round attempting to hang onto 1 goal leads against everyone, no matter who they are. That's nice but aren't we above all those teams bar Everton? Although I realise looking at the league table is largely frowned upon. It's always nice to deliver a good bumming, but it's not particularly important. Bumming is of the utmost importance in life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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