Alan '48 points' Pardew

[Gallowgate Toon]

1st game in months. Nothing seemed to have changed...

Credit to Pardew this safety first approach might keep us in the league for years to come but i can barely watch us atm. We are boring as f***.

Like watching a turtle in a tank....

 

I appreciated this post in the match thread:

 

Can't understand how some people can be happy with the football we play overall, as long as we "grind" the results out. For me football is supposed to be beautiful and enjoyable! Some, sometimes we manage 30-40 minutes here and there. The rest is often f***ing dross and disjointed and clueless.

 

I don't believe anyone demands it for 90mins in every match against every opponent, but there's just so little to enjoy about our football IMO. Even when we do find form the manager draws it back.

 

I think that second one's a bit harsh, we've played some pretty nice stuff, this season. Nothing amazing but some enjoyable spells and good movement.

 

That's the point though, we're clearly capable of it. Even the manager's capable of it. We're so needlessly negative.

 

Aye, but it's a bit OTT to say 'there's just so little to enjoy', isn't it? We're playing just as well as we are nervily, considering we seemingly perform in halves.

 

I don't think there's anywhere near enough enjoyable football considering the players we have and some of the opposition in this league.

 

Fair enough, game of opinions and all that. I've just not found it as poor as you, but do want improvement.

[Guest bimpy474]

How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew?

 

15 times in 112 league matches.

 

How many times have we won by two goals or more. ?

 

Howay, I'm not that bored.

 

worth a try.

 

I am that bored.

 

18 times in 112 league games.

 

Well done sir, and thank you 

[Dave]

Won by 3 goals or more 5 times in 112 league games. dat comfort

[Guest bimpy474]

God Pardew really is one boring fucktard.

[madras]

Pards got the tactics spot on today IMO - the same tactics that saw us beat Swansea last year and win 4 on the bounce just this season.

 

The players let him down today, and the luck went against us and a bad referee too. FWIW on another day we'd have nicked this 1-0. Krul let us down.

 

Let's just get behind Pards and hope for a reaction to the end of this glorious run and a wave too.

 

 

 

 

 

The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins...

I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns.

 

Yep, happened in one game involving 2 different teams that madras saw so we can discount it happening before our eyes as "the natural way of things" in almost every game under Pardew in which we've taken the lead.

i used a recent game many would have saw as an example, you don't think it's natural that a team after going a goal down pushes on a bit more ? we saw that we did tonight got caught doing it but we did.

 

Of course it happens to a degree but as usual you're treating situations as black and white, one or the other.

 

When we have a lead we regularly go from playing some very decent football indeed to not being able/willing to string 2 passes together, switching to hoofing as the only means of defending, sitting 10 yards further back, and generally inviting pressure.  There's no way it's a coincidence that this happens to the extent that it does under Pardew as you suggest, and I'm basing that on 20 years of watching football matches including NUFC ones and seeing trends rather than 1 game in the Midlands.

naturally you know I'm basing it on longer, to my mind it;s a mix of things, the team going a goal down will want to push, the other team will be expecting this, it's not a tactic. hoofing was a problem last year but watch other teams, they do it aswell when under pressure. fwiw i do think we suffer from struggling  to handle the pressure that other teams naturally put on after going a goal down, also why we struggle after going a goa l behind but it's not necessarily tactical, it's the players being quite one paced in that they can't up the tempo for longer periods that are needed.

 

I wasn't trying to have a competition on who had watched football longer, i.e. who's older.

 

I just think you're wrong, I think certainly you'll encounter more of a backlash when you go in front but under Keegan, Robson and even the likes of Roeder at times there'd be plenty of games where we'd go in front then go on to win the game comfortably, generally playing in a similar way from start to finish.  Pardew has been here 3 years and if I thought really hard I could probably only give you a handful of times when that's occurred, tops.  But nah, it's not a tactic.

I understand what you mean...........but (you knew that was coming didncha ?) I don't think he'd use a tactic which has failed so often for him, then what, what if it's the players ? why do you think we struggle when we go a goal down, are the tactics still to defend ?

[Mick]

I understand what you mean...........but (you knew that was coming didncha ?) I don't think he'd use a tactic which has failed so often for him, then what, what if it's the players ? why do you think we struggle when we go a goal down, are the tactics still to defend ?

 

If it is the players then it's the managers job to do something about it.

[madras]

I understand what you mean...........but (you knew that was coming didncha ?) I don't think he'd use a tactic which has failed so often for him, then what, what if it's the players ? why do you think we struggle when we go a goal down, are the tactics still to defend ?

 

If it is the players then it's the managers job to do something about it.

aye to a point, increasingly though they are having less say and are becoming de facto head coaches.

[Happy Face]

How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew?

 

15 times in 112 league matches.

 

How many times have we won by two goals or more. ?

 

Howay, I'm not that bored.

 

worth a try.

 

I am that bored.

 

18 times in 112 league games.

 

How many times had we won by 2 goals or more in the preceding 112 premier league games?

[Dave]

How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew?

 

15 times in 112 league matches.

 

How many times have we won by two goals or more. ?

 

Howay, I'm not that bored.

 

worth a try.

 

I am that bored.

 

18 times in 112 league games.

 

How many times had we won by 2 goals or more in the preceding 112 premier league games?

 

Don't care.

[madras]

How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew?

 

15 times in 112 league matches.

 

How many times have we won by two goals or more. ?

 

Howay, I'm not that bored.

 

worth a try.

 

I am that bored.

 

18 times in 112 league games.

 

How many times had we won by 2 goals or more in the preceding 112 premier league games?

17

[Mick]

aye to a point, increasingly though they are having less say and are becoming de facto head coaches.

 

Give over man, even if he's the head coach it's his job to coach them to play the way he wants them to play, which he clearly is.

[Wullie]

West Ham 3-0 Fulham

Everton 4-0 Stoke

West Brom 3-0 mackems

Southampton 4-1 Hull

Swansea 4-0 mackems

Swansea 3-0 Newcastle

Palace 1-4 Fulham

 

All just from this season. You don't need to be a fantastic side to give someone the occasional hoofing. "There are no easy games in this league" - clearly there are.

 

I could easily extend this list by including games in the Europa League and the League Cup too as we've frequently shown how disinterested we are in even giving some genuine minnows a pasting.

 

Where did Liverpool finish last season, 7th? A decent upper-midtable side who won by 3 clear goals in the league on 9 occasions whilst we scrabble round attempting to hang onto 1 goal leads against everyone, no matter who they are.

[Guest bimpy474]

Dear god those were under Fat Sam, KK (good for a bit) and JFK, Shearer.

 

We've had some shit to shovel like.

[Happy Face]

How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew?

 

15 times in 112 league matches.

 

How many times have we won by two goals or more. ?

 

Howay, I'm not that bored.

 

worth a try.

 

I am that bored.

 

18 times in 112 league games.

 

How many times had we won by 2 goals or more in the preceding 112 premier league games?

17

 

I make it 14

[Interpolic]

Pards got the tactics spot on today IMO - the same tactics that saw us beat Swansea last year and win 4 on the bounce just this season.

 

The players let him down today, and the luck went against us and a bad referee too. FWIW on another day we'd have nicked this 1-0. Krul let us down.

 

Let's just get behind Pards and hope for a reaction to the end of this glorious run and a wave too.

 

 

 

 

 

The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins...

I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns.

 

Yep, happened in one game involving 2 different teams that madras saw so we can discount it happening before our eyes as "the natural way of things" in almost every game under Pardew in which we've taken the lead.

i used a recent game many would have saw as an example, you don't think it's natural that a team after going a goal down pushes on a bit more ? we saw that we did tonight got caught doing it but we did.

 

Of course it happens to a degree but as usual you're treating situations as black and white, one or the other.

 

When we have a lead we regularly go from playing some very decent football indeed to not being able/willing to string 2 passes together, switching to hoofing as the only means of defending, sitting 10 yards further back, and generally inviting pressure.  There's no way it's a coincidence that this happens to the extent that it does under Pardew as you suggest, and I'm basing that on 20 years of watching football matches including NUFC ones and seeing trends rather than 1 game in the Midlands.

naturally you know I'm basing it on longer, to my mind it;s a mix of things, the team going a goal down will want to push, the other team will be expecting this, it's not a tactic. hoofing was a problem last year but watch other teams, they do it aswell when under pressure. fwiw i do think we suffer from struggling  to handle the pressure that other teams naturally put on after going a goal down, also why we struggle after going a goa l behind but it's not necessarily tactical, it's the players being quite one paced in that they can't up the tempo for longer periods that are needed.

 

I wasn't trying to have a competition on who had watched football longer, i.e. who's older.

 

I just think you're wrong, I think certainly you'll encounter more of a backlash when you go in front but under Keegan, Robson and even the likes of Roeder at times there'd be plenty of games where we'd go in front then go on to win the game comfortably, generally playing in a similar way from start to finish.  Pardew has been here 3 years and if I thought really hard I could probably only give you a handful of times when that's occurred, tops.  But nah, it's not a tactic.

I understand what you mean...........but (you knew that was coming didncha ?) I don't think he'd use a tactic which has failed so often for him, then what, what if it's the players ? why do you think we struggle when we go a goal down, are the tactics still to defend ?

 

The tactics appear to be to nick a goal then perhaps another then defend it for our lives, cancel the game out as a spectator sport at best and come unstuck at worst.  There isn't much of a Plan B when we go behind, the records show you that because we've rarely managed to turn that scenario into anything other than a loss.

 

It's funny that you blame the players when our player turnover's been pretty high over the years that Pardew has been in charge, it's a bit of a mad coincidence that we keep buying these players that love hanging on for dear life every time they go ahead in a game.  In fact I think it happened less in his first half season before he'd managed to implement his coaching methods, we actually did batter a few teams during that period.

 

Anyway, for comparative purposes, Pardew's side vs Liverpool in 2010:

 

Krul

Simpson

Jose Enrique

Tiote

Steven Taylor

Campbell

Barton

Nolan

Carroll

Ameobi

Gutierrez

 

Pardew's side tonight:

 

Krul

Debuchy

Williamson

Coloccini

Santon

Tiote

Cabaye

Sissoko

Gouffran

Sh.Ameobi

Remy

 

Seems mad that it's the players like, when it's mainly completely different players.  Krul must be influential as fuck in his insistence he wants to earn his wages each week.

[madras]

aye to a point, increasingly though they are having less say and are becoming de facto head coaches.

 

Give over man, even if he's the head coach it's his job to coach them to play the way he wants them to play, which he clearly is.

no doubt, i'm just not so sure that many of the managers we could get could do much better with what we have. i'd love us to get a a pochettino but I haven't a clue right now on up and coming euro talent.

[Foluwashola]

West Ham 3-0 Fulham

Everton 4-0 Stoke

West Brom 3-0 mackems

Southampton 4-1 Hull

Swansea 4-0 mackems

Swansea 3-0 Newcastle

Palace 1-4 Fulham

 

All just from this season. You don't need to be a fantastic side to give someone the occasional hoofing. "There are no easy games in this league" - clearly there are.

 

I could easily extend this list by including games in the Europa League and the League Cup too as we've frequently shown how disinterested we are in even giving some genuine minnows a pasting.

 

Where did Liverpool finish last season, 7th? A decent upper-midtable side who won by 3 clear goals in the league on 9 occasions whilst we scrabble round attempting to hang onto 1 goal leads against everyone, no matter who they are.

 

That's nice but aren't we above all those teams bar Everton? Although I realise looking at the league table is largely frowned upon.

 

It's always nice to deliver a good bumming, but it's not particularly important.

[madras]

Pards got the tactics spot on today IMO - the same tactics that saw us beat Swansea last year and win 4 on the bounce just this season.

 

The players let him down today, and the luck went against us and a bad referee too. FWIW on another day we'd have nicked this 1-0. Krul let us down.

 

Let's just get behind Pards and hope for a reaction to the end of this glorious run and a wave too.

 

 

 

 

 

The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins...

I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns.

 

Yep, happened in one game involving 2 different teams that madras saw so we can discount it happening before our eyes as "the natural way of things" in almost every game under Pardew in which we've taken the lead.

i used a recent game many would have saw as an example, you don't think it's natural that a team after going a goal down pushes on a bit more ? we saw that we did tonight got caught doing it but we did.

 

Of course it happens to a degree but as usual you're treating situations as black and white, one or the other.

 

When we have a lead we regularly go from playing some very decent football indeed to not being able/willing to string 2 passes together, switching to hoofing as the only means of defending, sitting 10 yards further back, and generally inviting pressure.  There's no way it's a coincidence that this happens to the extent that it does under Pardew as you suggest, and I'm basing that on 20 years of watching football matches including NUFC ones and seeing trends rather than 1 game in the Midlands.

naturally you know I'm basing it on longer, to my mind it;s a mix of things, the team going a goal down will want to push, the other team will be expecting this, it's not a tactic. hoofing was a problem last year but watch other teams, they do it aswell when under pressure. fwiw i do think we suffer from struggling  to handle the pressure that other teams naturally put on after going a goal down, also why we struggle after going a goa l behind but it's not necessarily tactical, it's the players being quite one paced in that they can't up the tempo for longer periods that are needed.

 

I wasn't trying to have a competition on who had watched football longer, i.e. who's older.

 

I just think you're wrong, I think certainly you'll encounter more of a backlash when you go in front but under Keegan, Robson and even the likes of Roeder at times there'd be plenty of games where we'd go in front then go on to win the game comfortably, generally playing in a similar way from start to finish.  Pardew has been here 3 years and if I thought really hard I could probably only give you a handful of times when that's occurred, tops.  But nah, it's not a tactic.

I understand what you mean...........but (you knew that was coming didncha ?) I don't think he'd use a tactic which has failed so often for him, then what, what if it's the players ? why do you think we struggle when we go a goal down, are the tactics still to defend ?

 

The tactics appear to be to nick a goal then perhaps another then defend it for our lives, cancel the game out as a spectator sport at best and come unstuck at worst.  There isn't much of a Plan B when we go behind, the records show you that because we've rarely managed to turn that scenario into anything other than a loss.

 

It's funny that you blame the players when our player turnover's been pretty high over the years that Pardew has been in charge, it's a bit of a mad coincidence that we keep buying these players that love hanging on for dear life every time they go ahead in a game.  In fact I think it happened less in his first half season before he'd managed to implement his coaching methods, we actually did batter a few teams during that period.

 

Anyway, for comparative purposes, Pardew's side vs Liverpool in 2010:

 

Krul

Simpson

Jose Enrique

Tiote

Steven Taylor

Campbell

Barton

Nolan

Carroll

Ameobi

Gutierrez

 

Pardew's side tonight:

 

Krul

Debuchy

Williamson

Coloccini

Santon

Tiote

Cabaye

Sissoko

Gouffran

Sh.Ameobi

Remy

 

Seems mad that it's the players like, when it's mainly completely different players.  Krul must be influential as f*** in his insistence he wants to earn his wages each week.

i thought you were a stalwart of the pardew has no say brigade ?

 

why would he employ the same tactics all the time even when they fuck up, no matter how bad you think he is surely he'd think, "thats not worked week after week, change it a bit" ?

[Mick]

no doubt, i'm just not so sure that many of the managers we could get could do much better with what we have. i'd love us to get a a pochettino but I haven't a clue right now on up and coming euro talent.

 

Fair enough, we're not miles apart, I just don't know why you defend him when you will be watching the games that I do.

[Wullie]

West Ham 3-0 Fulham

Everton 4-0 Stoke

West Brom 3-0 mackems

Southampton 4-1 Hull

Swansea 4-0 mackems

Swansea 3-0 Newcastle

Palace 1-4 Fulham

 

All just from this season. You don't need to be a fantastic side to give someone the occasional hoofing. "There are no easy games in this league" - clearly there are.

 

I could easily extend this list by including games in the Europa League and the League Cup too as we've frequently shown how disinterested we are in even giving some genuine minnows a pasting.

 

Where did Liverpool finish last season, 7th? A decent upper-midtable side who won by 3 clear goals in the league on 9 occasions whilst we scrabble round attempting to hang onto 1 goal leads against everyone, no matter who they are.

 

That's nice but aren't we above all those teams bar Everton? Although I realise looking at the league table is largely frowned upon.

 

It's always nice to deliver a good bumming, but it's not particularly important.

 

Er yeah we are. That was my point, that most teams should be able to manage it, and most mid-table sides do. I can list Chelsea, Liverpool's, Man United's and Man City's if you like? It's a canny bit longer mind.

[Mick]

 

That's nice but aren't we above all those teams bar Everton? Although I realise looking at the league table is largely frowned upon.

 

It's always nice to deliver a good bumming, but it's not particularly important.

 

Of course it's important.

[Interpolic]

Pards got the tactics spot on today IMO - the same tactics that saw us beat Swansea last year and win 4 on the bounce just this season.

 

The players let him down today, and the luck went against us and a bad referee too. FWIW on another day we'd have nicked this 1-0. Krul let us down.

 

Let's just get behind Pards and hope for a reaction to the end of this glorious run and a wave too.

 

 

 

 

 

The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins...

I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns.

 

Yep, happened in one game involving 2 different teams that madras saw so we can discount it happening before our eyes as "the natural way of things" in almost every game under Pardew in which we've taken the lead.

i used a recent game many would have saw as an example, you don't think it's natural that a team after going a goal down pushes on a bit more ? we saw that we did tonight got caught doing it but we did.

 

Of course it happens to a degree but as usual you're treating situations as black and white, one or the other.

 

When we have a lead we regularly go from playing some very decent football indeed to not being able/willing to string 2 passes together, switching to hoofing as the only means of defending, sitting 10 yards further back, and generally inviting pressure.  There's no way it's a coincidence that this happens to the extent that it does under Pardew as you suggest, and I'm basing that on 20 years of watching football matches including NUFC ones and seeing trends rather than 1 game in the Midlands.

naturally you know I'm basing it on longer, to my mind it;s a mix of things, the team going a goal down will want to push, the other team will be expecting this, it's not a tactic. hoofing was a problem last year but watch other teams, they do it aswell when under pressure. fwiw i do think we suffer from struggling  to handle the pressure that other teams naturally put on after going a goal down, also why we struggle after going a goa l behind but it's not necessarily tactical, it's the players being quite one paced in that they can't up the tempo for longer periods that are needed.

 

I wasn't trying to have a competition on who had watched football longer, i.e. who's older.

 

I just think you're wrong, I think certainly you'll encounter more of a backlash when you go in front but under Keegan, Robson and even the likes of Roeder at times there'd be plenty of games where we'd go in front then go on to win the game comfortably, generally playing in a similar way from start to finish.  Pardew has been here 3 years and if I thought really hard I could probably only give you a handful of times when that's occurred, tops.  But nah, it's not a tactic.

I understand what you mean...........but (you knew that was coming didncha ?) I don't think he'd use a tactic which has failed so often for him, then what, what if it's the players ? why do you think we struggle when we go a goal down, are the tactics still to defend ?

 

The tactics appear to be to nick a goal then perhaps another then defend it for our lives, cancel the game out as a spectator sport at best and come unstuck at worst.  There isn't much of a Plan B when we go behind, the records show you that because we've rarely managed to turn that scenario into anything other than a loss.

 

It's funny that you blame the players when our player turnover's been pretty high over the years that Pardew has been in charge, it's a bit of a mad coincidence that we keep buying these players that love hanging on for dear life every time they go ahead in a game.  In fact I think it happened less in his first half season before he'd managed to implement his coaching methods, we actually did batter a few teams during that period.

 

Anyway, for comparative purposes, Pardew's side vs Liverpool in 2010:

 

Krul

Simpson

Jose Enrique

Tiote

Steven Taylor

Campbell

Barton

Nolan

Carroll

Ameobi

Gutierrez

 

Pardew's side tonight:

 

Krul

Debuchy

Williamson

Coloccini

Santon

Tiote

Cabaye

Sissoko

Gouffran

Sh.Ameobi

Remy

 

Seems mad that it's the players like, when it's mainly completely different players.  Krul must be influential as f*** in his insistence he wants to earn his wages each week.

i thought you were a stalwart of the pardew has no say brigade ?

 

why would he employ the same tactics all the time even when they fuck up, no matter how bad you think he is surely he'd think, "thats not worked week after week, change it a bit" ?

 

Dunno mate, why would he?  I've given you various reasons why I think it's a tactic/instruction, you're on to the bare bones of "It doesn't work so why would he do it?"  Bringing Obertan on never works, in fact bothering with Obertan rarely has worked during the course of over 2 seasons, why does he do that?

[Mick]

i thought you were a stalwart of the pardew has no say brigade ?

 

why would he employ the same tactics all the time even when they f*** up, no matter how bad you think he is surely he'd think, "thats not worked week after week, change it a bit" ?

 

It's arrogance, he can't be wrong.

[Dave]

West Ham 3-0 Fulham

Everton 4-0 Stoke

West Brom 3-0 mackems

Southampton 4-1 Hull

Swansea 4-0 mackems

Swansea 3-0 Newcastle

Palace 1-4 Fulham

 

All just from this season. You don't need to be a fantastic side to give someone the occasional hoofing. "There are no easy games in this league" - clearly there are.

 

I could easily extend this list by including games in the Europa League and the League Cup too as we've frequently shown how disinterested we are in even giving some genuine minnows a pasting.

 

Where did Liverpool finish last season, 7th? A decent upper-midtable side who won by 3 clear goals in the league on 9 occasions whilst we scrabble round attempting to hang onto 1 goal leads against everyone, no matter who they are.

 

That's nice but aren't we above all those teams bar Everton? Although I realise looking at the league table is largely frowned upon.

 

It's always nice to deliver a good bumming, but it's not particularly important.

 

Well we were discussing taking enjoyment from the matches, including our play, positivity and confidence of the players. So yeah it matters in this context.

[Interpolic]

My post had absolutely nothing to do with Pardew's say on transfer policy btw madras, would be amazed if anybody thought it did.