Mick Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Teams under and over perform, yes. We were talking about reasonable expectations though, i.e; what would you say was a reasonable target for team X, and where would you generally expect them to finish. "But we finished really high once!" Yep "And we finished really low this other time!" Yep That's not really the point. At the beginning of the season I thought Pardew was going to have us in or around the bottom 3. Things have been better than that and if he was a better manager I don't see any reason to see why we couldn't be at least 3 places higher up the league than we currently are. Your target of 8th is probably 1 place off where we should be if other teams perform the way they should on paper, football isn't played on paper and Man U are poor this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 be specific? Specifically it wouldn't take an awful lot of money to break into the top 6, we did it two seasons ago and Everton look like doing it this season. And why does it bother you how much we spend? Yes we could feasibly poke our heads round the door and squeak into 4th for a year. Could definitely happen. I'm talking about having a team that'll do it every year. It bothers me because if we spunk all our money we'll end up doing badly. yeah like City/Chelsea. Honestly man, give it up I said our money, not some oligarch's. Hey, you've cracked it! We should just spend £500m and then win the league! Good man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Just when you thought this thread couldn't get worse, Trollemache turns the past few pages upside down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Maybe we could spend some money and try and compete for something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Just when you thought this thread couldn't get worse, Trollemache turns the past few pages upside down. He's posted more today than he has in a full year previously I miss those times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Teams under and over perform, yes. We were talking about reasonable expectations though, i.e; what would you say was a reasonable target for team X, and where would you generally expect them to finish. "But we finished really high once!" Yep "And we finished really low this other time!" Yep That's not really the point. At the beginning of the season I thought Pardew was going to have us in or around the bottom 3. Things have been better than that and if he was a better manager I don't see any reason to see why we couldn't be at least 3 places higher up the league than we currently are. Your target of 8th is probably 1 place off where we should be if other teams perform the way they should on paper, football isn't played on paper and Man U are poor this season. Yes, if an awesome manager came in we might've done a bit better and that would be lovely. My point was simply that I don't think Pardew has really underperformed (strictly in terms of results / league position, not style of play etc) this season, and is thus unlikely to be a) sacked or b) judged a failure by the media / neutrals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 be specific? Specifically it wouldn't take an awful lot of money to break into the top 6, we did it two seasons ago and Everton look like doing it this season. And why does it bother you how much we spend? Yes we could feasibly poke our heads round the door and squeak into 4th for a year. Could definitely happen. I'm talking about having a team that'll do it every year. It bothers me because if we spunk all our money we'll end up doing badly. yeah like City/Chelsea. Honestly man, give it up I said our money, not some oligarch's. Hey, you've cracked it! We should just spend £500m and then win the league! Good man That's basically what you've been arguing!!! FFS man! "Our" money, you mean mike Ashley's, the billionaire? How is our money different to theirs? What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't realise our coffers had been completely merged with his personal bank account. We're a business in our own right - we want to run at a profit and be ok if and when he fucks off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Yes we could feasibly poke our heads round the door and squeak into 4th for a year. Could definitely happen. I'm talking about having a team that'll do it every year. It bothers me because if we spunk all our money we'll end up doing badly. Doing badly, as in relegated? We've done that and didn't spend much to do it, I think it might have been £3 million if we're generous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 We need a donkey doctor up in here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Don't waste your time lads. Might as well discuss the issue with your gran. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Yes, if an awesome manager came in we might've done a bit better and that would be lovely. My point was simply that I don't think Pardew has really underperformed (strictly in terms of results / league position, not style of play etc) this season, and is thus unlikely to be a) sacked or b) judged a failure by the media / neutrals You are totally nuts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Keegan used to say he would spend the season ticket money the fans paid each season on improving the team and the club would run itself off the commercial income ......................Ashley doesn't even spend the hot dog money on improving the team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Don't waste your time lads. Might as well discuss the issue with your gran. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Yes, if an awesome manager came in we might've done a bit better and that would be lovely. My point was simply that I don't think Pardew has really underperformed (strictly in terms of results / league position, not style of play etc) this season, and is thus unlikely to be a) sacked or b) judged a failure by the media / neutrals You are totally nuts. Where's the nuts bit for fuck's sake? If he finishes 9th he's achieved a league position roughly in line with expectations so nobody in the press etc will get on his back. That is absolutely stone cold fucking true. The team could've played the absolute worst, most eyewatering long-ball wank all year and that would still be true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Are people confusing this with me somehow saying Pardew is a great manager who should never leave or something? It feels like that's what's happening Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Puting aside your attempt at statistics deduction, tell me that based on what you've watched with you own eyes, that an even slightly better manager could not improve our league position especially given how the other teams around us are performing this year? You either won't have the guts to say that or like Mick said, you're nuts! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Maybe we could spend some money and try and compete for something? See this is the reckless attitude that will lead us to the road of Portsmouth. You should be ashamed of yourself Caj tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Maybe we could spend some money and try and compete for something? See this is the reckless attitude that will lead us to the road of Portsmouth. You should be ashamed of yourself Caj tbh. Sorry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I would take finishing 8th with a different manager if the football was better, and we didn't have such embarrassing and gutless performances along the way. I know Ashley isn't interested but if we had a manager who had the team playing exciting football it might make him sit up and want to be more interested. (i know this is complete pie in the sky dreaming but still). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Maybe we could spend some money and try and compete for something? See this is the reckless attitude that will lead us to the road of Portsmouth. You should be ashamed of yourself Caj tbh. Sorry Exactly, what was you thinking, i mean spending money on transfers hah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Puting aside your attempt at statistics deduction, tell me that based on what you've watched with you own eyes, that an even slightly better manager could not improve our league position especially given how the other teams around us are performing this year? You either won't have the guts to say that or like Mick said, you're nuts! I said as much a couple of posts ago! I do think a better manager could maybe have squeezed a position or two out of us this year. I'm not saying Pardew has performed as well as anybody could have. I'm saying that his level of performance is going to be seen as about average, not particularly bad, and that as a result he's not going to get sacked and the press are not going to pile pressure on him. Which is true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Why are you going to such lengths to prove that point? You utter loon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Forget the press, do you think Pardew is performing par the course? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Because for some weird reason, when I originally made it, people tried to shoot me down as if I'd said something incredibly far-fetched, and I stuck around thinking it'd be a relatively straightforward process to clarify things. Silly me eh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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