Wullie Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Righto. I'll follow my own advice and fuck off. I'm off down Neutrinos-Online.org to act like a complete arsehole for giggles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Righto. I'll follow my own advice and fuck off. I'm off down Neutrinos-Online.org to act like a complete arsehole for giggles. Goodo. Better luck actually following the thread next time I suppose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Arsenal have consistently been in the top 4 for decades, spanning various eras of the premiership inducing the current Russian/Sheik billionaire era, their transfer policy is completely irrelevant It's relevant to them staying in the top 4 and winning titles with a ludicrously low, and frequently negative, transfer spend, while their direct rivals spent huge sums, including sums of other peoples' money, just to keep up. Jesus fucking Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 But the squad has improved loads while we've been doing this! It's happened, right in front of you. Much better players than we had 3 years ago. Playing nasty Pardew football, but undeniably much better players. We've done that without spending. So if you extrapolate that, what happens? We continue to make money, we continue to accumulate better players. It might not happen, I don't know, but so far it undeniably, categorically has, hasn't it? We're way off topic here, since this is more of an Ashley / board issue than a Pardew one, but hey If the squad is much better than it was 3 years ago, why were we 9th then (3 years ago today) and are 9th now? What's gone wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 1) Our form has fluctuated and 2) It's really hard to finish higher than 7th / 8th Come on Mick. Look at the squad then and now. Are you seriously trying to question the idea that it's gotten stronger? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Squad is better, the football is still shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I dont even think our squad is better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 We have a better squad (or potential starting XI) now than the one that we came up from the Championship with, it would take some fucking effort for it not to be Not sure how we're on course to do an Arsenal like. We'd probably need a time machine to go back to when "doing an Arsenal" was actually possible, or spend about £500m on playing staff, management staff and facilities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 1) Our form has fluctuated and 2) It's really hard to finish higher than 7th / 8th Come on Mick. Look at the squad then and now. Are you seriously trying to question the idea that it's gotten stronger? So maybe, just maybe, we need a manager who is capable of getting the best out of the players we have? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 1) Our form has fluctuated and 2) It's really hard to finish higher than 7th / 8th Come on Mick. Look at the squad then and now. Are you seriously trying to question the idea that it's gotten stronger? So maybe, just maybe, we need a manager who is capable of getting the best out of the players we have? There is no maybe. Fact is this will be a long drawn out pards vrs ashley. Keegan Style Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 1) Our form has fluctuated and 2) It's really hard to finish higher than 7th / 8th Come on Mick. Look at the squad then and now. Are you seriously trying to question the idea that it's gotten stronger? So maybe, just maybe, we need a manager who is capable of getting the best out of the players we have? A better manager would be great but there's no reason the improvement in playing staff has to stop. Replacing Cabaye is a big ask though. What a bargain that was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 A better manager would be great but there's no reason the improvement in playing staff has to stop. Replacing Cabaye is a big ask though. What a bargain that was You've claimed that our squad is much stronger than it was 3 years ago yet we're in exactly the same position now as then, why should we keep improving the playing staff if we're not seeing any improvement? Surely something is holding the "much stronger" squad back and maybe that's the area we need to strengthen first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 1) Our form has fluctuated and 2) It's really hard to finish higher than 7th / 8th Come on Mick. Look at the squad then and now. Are you seriously trying to question the idea that it's gotten stronger? So maybe, just maybe, we need a manager who is capable of getting the best out of the players we have? A better manager would be great but there's no reason the improvement in playing staff has to stop. Replacing Cabaye is a big ask though. What a bargain that was Was that all down to you then Dekka? Props to you man. Nice idea to spend your winnings from Pardles on some nice hols in Croatia. Enjoy the sun while you can! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 A better manager would be great but there's no reason the improvement in playing staff has to stop. Replacing Cabaye is a big ask though. What a bargain that was You've claimed that our squad is much stronger than it was 3 years ago yet we're in exactly the same position now as then, why should we keep improving the playing staff if we're not seeing any improvement? Surely something is holding the "much stronger" squad back and maybe that's the area we need to strengthen first. As I think I mentioned in here earlier, my determination to protect Pardew's right to a fair crack had pretty much petered out by November. If we could lay our hands on a really good manager right now I'd dump him no problem. I think the main reason we find ourselves in 8th/9th though is just that it's really really hard to push on from there. We could improve the squad a fair bit and still find it a struggle to post top 6 finishes, even with a talented manager. The competition is just that strong. There are pointers to Pardew's averageness a lot more salient than our league finishes. I don't read much into them at all as a barometer of his ability relative to other managers, arse-about-face as that may seem. I think a Moyes or a Martinez or an AVB could come in and finish 8th too. Or 5th if they have a good year, or 17th if it doesn't click, but probably about 8th. But if they have a coherent philosophy, and our playing staff keeps improving, then we'll end up in the right place. The thing that worries me most about Pardew is his lack of imagination or a clear philosophy, and a sense that he doesn't know what to do when the wheels fall off. A couple of times we've gone on good runs with some system that he has just pulled out of his arse which is lovely but... When Ancelotti or Pellegrini is your manager you know exactly how you are going to do things and that it will be quite coherent. I think Pards is like the vast majority of managers in that he just tries to do the simple things right and not fuck up. tl; dr... Pardew is welcome to leave in my book, mainly for reasons other than that we'll immediately shoot up the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 1) Our form has fluctuated and 2) It's really hard to finish higher than 7th / 8th Come on Mick. Look at the squad then and now. Are you seriously trying to question the idea that it's gotten stronger? So maybe, just maybe, we need a manager who is capable of getting the best out of the players we have? A better manager would be great but there's no reason the improvement in playing staff has to stop. Replacing Cabaye is a big ask though. What a bargain that was Was that all down to you then Dekka? Props to you man. Nice idea to spend your winnings from Pardles on some nice hols in Croatia. Enjoy the sun while you can! You're not very good at this, sorry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Can we have a poll in this thread? along the lines of: "Would you take a heavy defeat in the Villa game if it meant Pardew would be sacked?" Ta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 find anyone voting no and teabag them with a wrecking ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Can we have a poll in this thread? along the lines of: "Would you take a heavy defeat in the Villa game if it meant Pardew would be sacked?" Ta. Pretty sure that is a rhetorical question or poll I would take a drubbing and all our key players getting injured if it meant losing Pardew. Sorry to the players for saying that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 It very much depends who would come in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 http://i.imgur.com/0FZYVqo.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Honestly think he's more likely to get a bonus than to get the sack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 1) Our form has fluctuated and 2) It's really hard to finish higher than 7th / 8th Come on Mick. Look at the squad then and now. Are you seriously trying to question the idea that it's gotten stronger? So maybe, just maybe, we need a manager who is capable of getting the best out of the players we have? A better manager would be great but there's no reason the improvement in playing staff has to stop. Replacing Cabaye is a big ask though. What a bargain that was Was that all down to you then Dekka? Props to you man. Nice idea to spend your winnings from Pardles on some nice hols in Croatia. Enjoy the sun while you can! You're not very good at this, sorry On the contrary, my position didn't rely on stats or pie charts and that's probably why it hasn't changed much. I watch football for enjoyment and love for my city which makes a massive difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 As I think I mentioned in here earlier, my determination to protect Pardew's right to a fair crack had pretty much petered out by November. If we could lay our hands on a really good manager right now I'd dump him no problem. I think the main reason we find ourselves in 8th/9th though is just that it's really really hard to push on from there. We could improve the squad a fair bit and still find it a struggle to post top 6 finishes, even with a talented manager. The competition is just that strong. There are pointers to Pardew's averageness a lot more salient than our league finishes. I don't read much into them at all as a barometer of his ability relative to other managers, arse-about-face as that may seem. I think a Moyes or a Martinez or an AVB could come in and finish 8th too. Or 5th if they have a good year, or 17th if it doesn't click, but probably about 8th. But if they have a coherent philosophy, and our playing staff keeps improving, then we'll end up in the right place. The thing that worries me most about Pardew is his lack of imagination or a clear philosophy, and a sense that he doesn't know what to do when the wheels fall off. A couple of times we've gone on good runs with some system that he has just pulled out of his arse which is lovely but... When Ancelotti or Pellegrini is your manager you know exactly how you are going to do things and that it will be quite coherent. I think Pards is like the vast majority of managers in that he just tries to do the simple things right and not f*** up. tl; dr... Pardew is welcome to leave in my book, mainly for reasons other than that we'll immediately shoot up the league. I don't really rate Moyes although I think he did a good job with what he had at Everton and is better than Pardew. Martinez would piss all over Pardew with the same set of players as we've got here because I think the way he tries to play is more suited to us than launching the ball from back to front, or going back to basics as Pardew has called it. I would also take Laudrup if he was prepared to work under the constraints which we have here and that being Carr scouts the players. Pardew is hiding behind the sale of Cabaye, we played really well against Norwich when he didn't have time to tinker. The next game, when he'd had time was woeful, that's about the best description I can think of without going into a tirade of abuse about him. Pardew has been here for 150 league games and the football we played during our last few games has been as bad, probably worse than when he came in and took over the team put together by Hughton and Co. 150 league games and we're no closer to having a style of play in the first team and I've seen nothing in the younger players to make me think we're bringing them up in a way that prepares them for first team football. Pardew is a bluffer, a fraud and the mouth piece for Ashley, he's Ashley's apologist and I can't stand him personally or professionally. By that I mean as a person or as our manager, he's shit. I think we both agree he's at best holding us back, for that reason alone he should be given his P45. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 We have a better squad (or potential starting XI) now than the one that we came up from the Championship with, it would take some fucking effort for it not to be Not sure how we're on course to do an Arsenal like. We'd probably need a time machine to go back to when "doing an Arsenal" was actually possible, or spend about £500m on playing staff, management staff and facilities. All I meant by "do an Arsenal" was be successful within our means. Make a profit. Then it doesn't matter what dickhead runs the club, the club is OK. If you can do that while improving, you're going to do well in the end. Another thought - if Ashley really is thinking of selling, I'd perhaps rather Pardew stayed until that happened. The calibre of manager we'll get in the interim probably ain't great at all, the new owner would probably replace him, and it's just one more guy to pay off and one more reshuffle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Who the fuck or what the fuck is this daft cunt? The last 4 pages have read like a hammer to the head, it hurts! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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