quayside Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It really shows how much interest Ashley has lost. He sacked Fat Sam because the football was awful, hires KK and treats him like s*** and wonders why he got stick. Got luckyish with Hughton getting us up. Appoints this idiot and doesn't care what the football is like now. Not sure about that, I always thought Allardyce got the sack because of the dross he bought in the previous transfer window. Very little residual value and all that. I genuinely doubt Ashley could tell the difference between the football styles of Guardiola and Pulis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It really shows how much interest Ashley has lost. He sacked Fat Sam because the football was awful, hires KK and treats him like s*** and wonders why he got stick. Got luckyish with Hughton getting us up. Appoints this idiot and doesn't care what the football is like now. Not sure about that, I always thought Allardyce got the sack because of the dross he bought in the previous transfer window. Very little residual value and all that. I genuinely doubt Ashley could tell the difference between the football styles of Guardiola and Pulis. Ashley didn't sack Allardyce, he just agreed to him being peddled and it had nothing to do with transfers and everything to do with results. It's just a pity we don't sack for the same reason now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I thought he sacked him as he was trying to buy players which were to expensive etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It would take Ashley to actually watch a match to decipher what kind of football we play. We know he only uses us as a billboard for his shitty brand but surely he'd rather have his brand displayed on a decent billboard and not a shit stained rag hanging in NE1? There's got to be some kind of corroboration between brand and quality (not that his brand has any) but it's hardly a glowing illustration of his business acumen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I don't think he really displayed his business acumen buying us at all really. Unless he stays put for a very long time, and he still won't make Ashley levels of money. He just displayed his impulsivity and love of a gamble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It would take Ashley to actually watch a match to decipher what kind of football we play. We know he only uses us as a billboard for his shitty brand but surely he'd rather have his brand displayed on a decent billboard and not a shit stained rag hanging in NE1? There's got to be some kind of corroboration between brand and quality (not that his brand has any) but it's hardly a glowing illustration of his business acumen. It wouldn't matter a jot if he watched us play more regular because as we've seen with his decisions, what Ashley knows about football you could fit on a postage stamp and still have room for the Lord's prayer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It really shows how much interest Ashley has lost. He sacked Fat Sam because the football was awful, hires KK and treats him like s*** and wonders why he got stick. Got luckyish with Hughton getting us up. Appoints this idiot and doesn't care what the football is like now. Not sure about that, I always thought Allardyce got the sack because of the dross he bought in the previous transfer window. Very little residual value and all that. I genuinely doubt Ashley could tell the difference between the football styles of Guardiola and Pulis. I'm sure it was for the crap football, and losing football. At the time i think that's why he went for KK. He had the 90's style and results in his mind. I'm only guessing at that but it did seem at the time Ashley was into it. Then imo he surrounded himself with people like Wise and it went tits up (as it was always going to, as it was a dumass decision). Now he's bitter about the stick he got and is as resentful as you can get. It's just my opinion on it tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It would take Ashley to actually watch a match to decipher what kind of football we play. We know he only uses us as a billboard for his shitty brand but surely he'd rather have his brand displayed on a decent billboard and not a s*** stained rag hanging in NE1? There's got to be some kind of corroboration between brand and quality (not that his brand has any) but it's hardly a glowing illustration of his business acumen. It wouldn't matter a jot if he watched us play more regular because as we've seen with his decisions, what Ashley knows about football you could fit on a postage stamp and still have room for the Lord's prayer. Tbf Stevie Wonder could see how toothlessly shite we are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I tell you what i'm worried about this summer, we need at least 5 players imo. Now whether Ashley will allow that is obviously debatable. But my massive worry is if we let this fucking idiot choose the players. I'm 100% certain he would prefer, James Tompkins over MYM etc. I truly dread to think what players would come in if he had his way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I tell you what i'm worried about this summer, we need at least 5 players imo. Now whether Ashley will allow that is obviously debatable. But my massive worry is if we let this fucking idiot choose the players. I'm 100% certain he would prefer, James Tompkins over MYM etc. I truly dread to think what players would come in if he had his way. Of course he would. He prefers Steven Taylor and Mike Williamson over MYM so I'd say it's a given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Assuming Pardew isn't going anywhere, which would be preferable? A. Continue to bring in foreign players he is unwilling or unable to use correctly in the hope things click. eg Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. B. Bring in more players with domestic experience, almost certainly of lower quality but that he can probably work with effectively. eg James Tomkins. Genuine question, because I'm not sure. Obviously as a general rule I want to see more talented players, but what's the point if they don't play or just play badly and we're losing matches left, right and centre? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I tell you what i'm worried about this summer, we need at least 5 players imo. Now whether Ashley will allow that is obviously debatable. But my massive worry is if we let this f***ing idiot choose the players. I'm 100% certain he would prefer, James Tompkins over MYM etc. I truly dread to think what players would come in if he had his way. I can't imagine Ashley allowing Pardew to buy any players, it's not about what players we need, it's about who we can get at a knock down price with a view to making a profit. Besides Ashley has been burned by allowing the wrong people to be in charge of transfers (in his eyes) before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Assuming Pardew isn't going anywhere, which would be preferable? A. Continue to bring in foreign players he is unwilling or unable to use correctly in the hope things click. eg Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. B. Bring in more players with domestic experience of lower quality but that he can probably work with effectively. eg James Tomkins. Genuine question, because I'm not sure. Obviously as a general rule I want to see more talented players, but what's the point if they don't play or just play badly? If we go with what Pardew wants we will definitely go down. There was a reason he was a failed League One manager, he's rank bad. I think the players he's been given have kept him in the job longer than he should have been, due to their skill. You bring in bog standard cloggers like what he wants, then we will never have any of the magic he so likes. And how awful would we be to watch, we're fucking terrible now as it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I tell you what i'm worried about this summer, we need at least 5 players imo. Now whether Ashley will allow that is obviously debatable. But my massive worry is if we let this f***ing idiot choose the players. I'm 100% certain he would prefer, James Tompkins over MYM etc. I truly dread to think what players would come in if he had his way. I can't imagine Ashley allowing Pardew to buy any players, it's not about what players we need, it's about who we can get at a knock down price with a view to making a profit. Besides Ashley has been burned by allowing the wrong people to be in charge of transfers (in his eyes) before. Aye, funnily enough if we do buy i would rather Ashley went with Carr's bargains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Assuming Pardew isn't going anywhere, which would be preferable? A. Continue to bring in foreign players he is unwilling or unable to use correctly in the hope things click. eg Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. B. Bring in more players with domestic experience, almost certainly of lower quality but that he can probably work with effectively. eg James Tomkins. Genuine question, because I'm not sure. Obviously as a general rule I want to see more talented players, but what's the point if they don't play or just play badly and we're losing matches left, right and centre? A. Bring in quality, skilful foreign players that he can't/won't use and finally sack him for his incompetence and inability to improve said players whilst doing nothing but devaluing Ashley's investments. Is that an option? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Assuming Pardew isn't going anywhere, which would be preferable? A. Continue to bring in foreign players he is unwilling or unable to use correctly in the hope things click. eg Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. B. Bring in more players with domestic experience, almost certainly of lower quality but that he can probably work with effectively. eg James Tomkins. Genuine question, because I'm not sure. Obviously as a general rule I want to see more talented players, but what's the point if they don't play or just play badly and we're losing matches left, right and centre? I thought Pardew had a say with Carr over transfers, when we last made some. *resisted the urge to use ancient names to poke fun at our non existent transfer policy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I don't believe he'd be any better with the latter. His gameplan here has always been to keep it tight and bank on the talent having "magic" in their boots. Take away the magic and what's left? Literally can't think of anything worse than buying players Alan Pardew wants and I include genocide in that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Assuming Pardew isn't going anywhere, which would be preferable? A. Continue to bring in foreign players he is unwilling or unable to use correctly in the hope things click. eg Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. B. Bring in more players with domestic experience, almost certainly of lower quality but that he can probably work with effectively. eg James Tomkins. Genuine question, because I'm not sure. Obviously as a general rule I want to see more talented players, but what's the point if they don't play or just play badly and we're losing matches left, right and centre? A. I think with those we can still get 8th-ish in spite of Pardew. Go down route B. and we're going down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I don't believe he'd be any better with the latter. His gameplan here has always been to keep it tight and bank on the talent having "magic" in their boots. Take away the magic and what's left? Literally can't think of anything worse than buying players Alan Pardew wants and I include genocide in that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I don't believe he'd be any better with the latter. His gameplan here has always been to keep it tight and bank on the talent having "magic" in their boots. Take away the magic and what's left? Literally can't think of anything worse than buying players Alan Pardew wants and I include genocide in that. I laugh because such a statement must be a joke then it dawns on me I agree 100% Pardew being allowed to buy his players will relegate us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Funicide when Pardew sets up. ...Not that we can see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikri Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Assuming Pardew isn't going anywhere, which would be preferable? A. Continue to bring in foreign players he is unwilling or unable to use correctly in the hope things click. eg Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. B. Bring in more players with domestic experience, almost certainly of lower quality but that he can probably work with effectively. eg James Tomkins. Genuine question, because I'm not sure. Obviously as a general rule I want to see more talented players, but what's the point if they don't play or just play badly and we're losing matches left, right and centre? I'd rather see good players used badly than poor players used well. Just occasionally under Pardew things have clicked and the players have put together a few minutes of play that's genuinely enjoyable to watch. Italy in 2008 were a technically brilliant team that simply didn't concede goals, it was somewhat fascinating to watch players play horrible football so well but if I had watch it week after week I'd lose all interest in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 @RobScanlon_TV Interviewed Yoan Gouffran today who said Alan Pardew was as angry as he's seen him in the dressing room after the Spurs defeat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 @RobScanlon_TV Interviewed Yoan Gouffran today who said Alan Pardew was as angry as he's seen him in the dressing room after the Spurs defeat At himself, I hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 @RobScanlon_TV Interviewed Yoan Gouffran today who said Alan Pardew was as angry as he's seen him in the dressing room after the Spurs defeat At himself, I hope. Of course not. He's never to blame. Silly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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