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Can the people who are for him not getting sacked explain what exactly his strengths are supposed to be? Because I genuinely can't think of any, whereas I could think of a pretty long list of his weaknesses.

 

when i ask people that question the only reply you get back is who else would come in and work under Ashley,  he's doing a good job under the circumstances etc etc

 

load of bollocks

 

It's like bending over and taking it up the arse and calling it a good job because the next rapist down the line might not use any vaseline.

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That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager.  It would be another 2nd rate appointment.

 

I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse.  Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse.  Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then.

 

How?

 

No spending in the summer

Actually asset stripping the club

Bringing in JFK as permanent manager, or any of the very large number of managers with less pedigree than Pardew

Going all-out Allardyce with the style of play, not even trying to do anything else (could argue a manager with a firm philosophy would be better though)

 

There are quite a few ways really. Not sure I agree unilaterally with the 'no point changing manager if Ashley stays' thing. If Pardew somehow manages to slip to 10th, lose the dressing room in the process etc etc then he should absolutely be invited to leave. It's uncharitable to suggest we'd definitely not bring in someone good - I think it would depend a lot on who happened to be available and to what extent they were prepared to work within certain constraints re transfers etc... But that accounts for most managerial jobs in Europe, not just us. It's only old-fashioned British managers who are used to demanding control over the transfer policy.

 

No Summer spending

Sell your best players without the slightest intention of replacing them

Bring JFK in as DoF, every football related decision at the club has to go through him.

 

That's 2013/14.

 

Your vision of 'a lot worse' doesn't sound much different to what's happened tbh. Still, if that's what you're content with...

 

That "without the slightest intention" is pure speculation, and I don't think JFK had THAT much control.

 

Not spending this summer would scare me in a way that previous windows certainly didn't.

 

Why?

 

Why wasn't it a worry last summer?

 

Why was Anita, a player Pardew would NEVER choose had he any say in it, as a sole summer signing the year before not bring any cause for worry?

 

Signing no one or no one useful to the manager the past 2 summers hasn't been a problem for you but if it happens a 3rd time it might?

 

Don't fret, i reckon you'll find a way to justify it.

 

OK I really don't want to get into this thing where I offer mitigating circumstances for our transfer activity in the last 3 years and get pounded from all angles by people who just think it's 100% bad. So I'm not - I've gone over it a lot, not many pages ago in this thread. In very basic terms, our team has improved over that period, and if we don't spend this summer it will suddenly have gotten a fair bit worse for the first time. And I'll leave it there.

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That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager.  It would be another 2nd rate appointment.

 

I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse.  Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse.  Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then.

 

How?

 

No spending in the summer

Actually asset stripping the club

Bringing in JFK as permanent manager, or any of the very large number of managers with less pedigree than Pardew

Going all-out Allardyce with the style of play, not even trying to do anything else (could argue a manager with a firm philosophy would be better though)

 

There are quite a few ways really. Not sure I agree unilaterally with the 'no point changing manager if Ashley stays' thing. If Pardew somehow manages to slip to 10th, lose the dressing room in the process etc etc then he should absolutely be invited to leave. It's uncharitable to suggest we'd definitely not bring in someone good - I think it would depend a lot on who happened to be available and to what extent they were prepared to work within certain constraints re transfers etc... But that accounts for most managerial jobs in Europe, not just us. It's only old-fashioned British managers who are used to demanding control over the transfer policy.

 

No spending in the summer

2013/14

Players In

Olivier Kemen Metz Signed 01 Jul, 2013

Loic Remy QPR 05 Aug, 2013 (loan)

 

2012/13

Gael Bigirimana Coventry £1,000,000 06 Jul, 2012

Curtis Good Melbourne H Signed 31 Jul, 2012

Vurnon Anita Ajax Signed 16 Aug, 2012

 

2011/12

Sylvain Marveaux Rennes Free 01 Jul, 2011

Yohan Cabaye Lille £4,800,000 01 Jul, 2011

Mehdi Abeid Lens Free 01 Jul, 2011

Gabriel Obertan Man Utd Signed 09 Aug, 2011

Davide Santon Inter £5,300,000 30 Aug, 2011

Rob Elliot Charlton Signed 30 Aug, 2011

 

Yep, I can see where this is going.

 

Actually asset stripping the club

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How about money lost from shit like this?

 

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Bringing in JFK as permanent manager, or any of the very large number of managers with less pedigree than Pardew

 

You think this bloke has any sort of 'pedigree' in which to be measured against?

 

The bloke lost 2 play-offs when he was at Reading, lost another at West Ham and binned after their worst run in 70 years, relegated Charlton and had them 11th the following season -

 

However, Charlton's form very quickly deteriorated and they were near the foot of the table after 8 games without a win. After an inept display in a 5–2 home defeat to Sheffield United hundreds of supporters remained for more than an hour to condemn their manager, chanting, "We want Pardew out" and "We want our club back" after Charlton had slipped into the Championship's bottom three

 

Shagging around at Southampton, low player moral and finally binned by Cortese. But oh wait, there's the Johnstones paint trophy. Yeah.

 

 

Going all-out Allardyce with the style of play, not even trying to do anything else (could argue a manager with a firm philosophy would be better though)

 

Since early in the season, Newcastle United have consistently been the biggest long-ball side in the Premier League. With a long ball (over 25 yards) average of 16.1% after 32 games, they lead Stoke (16.0%), Reading (16.0%) and West Ham (14.9%).

 

At the other extreme, the teams with the lowest percentage are Manchester City (8.1%), Arsenal (8.2%), Manchester United (9.9%) and Swansea (10.1%).

 

In Newcastle United’s first 32 games of the season, Newcastle United were the bigger long ball side in 27 of those games to five for the opposition. Whilst Newcastle United’s long ball average was 16.1%, the average of all opposition was only 11.8%.

 

Much has been said about Alan Pardew’s formations, with most fans seemingly preferring a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 formation over a 4-4-2. This season however, Newcastle United have played managed to play ‘route one’ football in ALL of those formations.

 

 

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Stupidly, I've gone and replied in-line:

That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager.  It would be another 2nd rate appointment.

 

I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse.  Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse.  Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then.

 

How?

 

No spending in the summer

Actually asset stripping the club

Bringing in JFK as permanent manager, or any of the very large number of managers with less pedigree than Pardew

Going all-out Allardyce with the style of play, not even trying to do anything else (could argue a manager with a firm philosophy would be better though)

 

There are quite a few ways really. Not sure I agree unilaterally with the 'no point changing manager if Ashley stays' thing. If Pardew somehow manages to slip to 10th, lose the dressing room in the process etc etc then he should absolutely be invited to leave. It's uncharitable to suggest we'd definitely not bring in someone good - I think it would depend a lot on who happened to be available and to what extent they were prepared to work within certain constraints re transfers etc... But that accounts for most managerial jobs in Europe, not just us. It's only old-fashioned British managers who are used to demanding control over the transfer policy.

 

No spending in the summer

***I meant this summer. In previous years the team has always improved.

 

 

Actually asset stripping the club

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images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQUyKRFJiJq4pMHJN8EmE5B-z5QbJrMfIDUSaDHJArDB4tYtc-N

 

How about money lost from shit like this?

***As above, as long as the team improves I don't give a monkeys whether we spend every penny we receive, in fact it's good to make a profit. If we don't spend this summer, the team will have gotten worse, so I'll be upset.

 

Bringing in JFK as permanent manager, or any of the very large number of managers with less pedigree than Pardew

 

You think this bloke has any sort of 'pedigree' in which to be measured against?

 

The bloke lost 2 play-offs when he was at Reading, lost another at West Ham and binned after their worst run in 70 years, relegated Charlton and had them 11th the following season -

 

However, Charlton's form very quickly deteriorated and they were near the foot of the table after 8 games without a win. After an inept display in a 5–2 home defeat to Sheffield United hundreds of supporters remained for more than an hour to condemn their manager, chanting, "We want Pardew out" and "We want our club back" after Charlton had slipped into the Championship's bottom three

 

Shagging around at Southampton, low player moral and finally binned by Cortese. But oh wait, there's the Johnstones paint trophy. Yeah.

 

***He was in those playoffs to begin with, which is a far better measure of performance. In those examples, about par. He's clearly got a pedigree than a lot of other managers who have never been anywhere near playoffs or indeed the Premier League. That's just too obvious to argue about.

 

Going all-out Allardyce with the style of play, not even trying to do anything else (could argue a manager with a firm philosophy would be better though)

 

Since early in the season, Newcastle United have consistently been the biggest long-ball side in the Premier League. With a long ball (over 25 yards) average of 16.1% after 32 games, they lead Stoke (16.0%), Reading (16.0%) and West Ham (14.9%).

 

At the other extreme, the teams with the lowest percentage are Manchester City (8.1%), Arsenal (8.2%), Manchester United (9.9%) and Swansea (10.1%).

 

In Newcastle United’s first 32 games of the season, Newcastle United were the bigger long ball side in 27 of those games to five for the opposition. Whilst Newcastle United’s long ball average was 16.1%, the average of all opposition was only 11.8%.

 

Much has been said about Alan Pardew’s formations, with most fans seemingly preferring a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 formation over a 4-4-2. This season however, Newcastle United have played managed to play ‘route one’ football in ALL of those formations.

 

***He's varied his style at times, and there have been times when we've been vaguely good to watch, whatever % of long balls we happen to have played over the period. One of my main gripes about him is that he pulls strategies out of his arse and doesn't appear to care about any particular way of playing. What he certainly isn't is a long-ball fundamentalist like Pulis or Allardyce. I'd almost prefer it if he was tbh.

 

...with apologies for the bold / not bold mess. Anti-Pardew views are so extreme on here that anyone positioning themselves remotely to the moderate side ends up in the role of Pardew Defender, which is not where I want to be at all. So let's just recap my original point, which is simply that things could be worse than they are, and step calmly away.

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Ofcourse he isn't. Who would want to be in a cup final? No value in the cups don't you know.

 

Exactly, and derby games are so overrated.

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Think of all the team building that could have been done in that cup run though http://www.splbassx.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/fap.gif

 

Naa, the team building in Dubai worked so much better!

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