Guest firetotheworks Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I was speaking to Rob Elliot in a club last night for about 10 minutes. My God you can tell he's played under Pardew. He was having a go at the fans for turning after a few bad results. I said it's for months of s*** not just 4 games...He wasn't having any of it. I then proceeded to tell him that we've not come back from going in at half time losing in what 70 games? He then got aggressive saying that's 'total lies.' I pushed him on it and asked him when we had then? He then said we did it at Charlton under him He also lambasted HBA saying he's only set up at most 3 goals and how he's been solely responsible for 7-8 goal conceded! He said the players hate him and he has no work rate. I kept telling him that this was Pardew s**** coming out of his mouth and that he's been brainwashed. He honestly was like a Pardew drone. Unbelievable Really pleased that you stood up against his waffling shite though. Far too many people would have backed down or compromised their opinion when they shouldn't. Well done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Asking Alan Pardew to look after a load of foreign flair players is akin to asking Rose West to watch the kids while you pop down Tesco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10764683/Newcastle-supporters-are-sick-of-Alan-Pardews-excuses-and-fan-power-may-force-Mike-Ashley-to-finally-wield-axe.html Newcastle supporters are sick of Alan Pardew's excuses - and fan power may force Mike Ashley to wield axe If St James' Park offers a vocal and prolonged no confidence vote, then Mike Ashley may have to accept a new manager is needed, writes Luke Edwards By Luke Edwards8:46AM BST 14 Apr 2014 Comments5 Comments Newcastle United have supposedly had nothing to play for since accepting they were well short of the European qualification pace, but had more than enough points to stay out relegation trouble. Not anymore. After a dismal run of form moved into abject territory with the 1-0 defeat at Stoke City, Newcastle are playing to keep manager Alan Pardew in a job. The statistics are grim. At times, the performances have been even worse. Poor results are one thing, dull, unimaginative football is even worse. Newcastle have lost 12 of their last 17 games and have failed to score in 12 of those fixtures. They were knocked out of the FA Cup, at home, to Cardiff City in the Third Round and they have done all this while Pardew has offered repetitive excuses about injuries, key players more worried about being fit for the World Cup, bad luck and the sale of Yohan Cabaye to Paris Saint Germain in January. They are all valid, to an extent, but completely ignore his own role in failing to spur them on and the fact he has, for three years, offered excuses and even praise for owner Mike Ashley, despite the persistent offence he has caused. Pardew has moaned about the lack of depth in his first team squad, yet he has also publicly defended the failure to sign any players since January 2013. Pardew has performed the manager's role exactly as the owner wants him to, not the supporters. In keeping one content, he has gradually made the others resent him. The frustration in the stands is boiling over. He is the only member of the Ashley regime that supporters can funnel their anger towards. They can hurt him, they can force him to lose his job, but they cannot force Ashley to sell a club he cannot find a buyer for. Newcastle fans are tired of listening to Pardew trying to explain the team's woes. Anger and resentment has made them deaf, but they are not blind. The Newcastle team is one-paced, lacks motivation, defensive discipline, creativity and is unable to play with anything approaching the sort of passion or style that is needed to win matches. There are limitations in the squad that Pardew has acknowledged and cannot entirely be blamed for, but the team is not trying hard enough - and that is unforgiveable on Tyneside. There is lack of a creative spark, according to Pardew, without Cabaye and the injured Loic Remy, yet he ignores the fact he has fallen out with two players who could add that to the team, Hatem Ben Arfa and Sylvain Marveaux. Even a player he was responsible for signing, Gabriel Obertan, is nowhere to be seen, depriving the team of pace on the counter attack. The players should not escape blame. Some of them have been disgraceful, their lack of appreciation for what it means to play for a club like Newcastle just another punch in the stomach, but as ever it is the manager who carries the can for their actions. He responds by blaming others in the media and, inaccurately, claiming he is without 10 senior players because of injury or suspension. After just over three years of tolerating Pardew, supporters are turning in vast numbers. The Stoke game was the first time the discontent has been expressed at a match, but it has been mounting on social media and among influential fanzine writers for a long time. The home game against Swansea next weekend is a pivotal moment. Pardew needs a win, of course, but if the home support abuse him, if St James' Park offers a vocal and prolonged no confidence vote, then Ashley, even an owner who has never seemed to care what the supporters think or feel, may have to accept a new manager is needed. When fans turn en masse, a manager's position is untenable, because no team can play in such a negative and divisive atmosphere. This is not a knee-jerk response to a slump in form and it is not, as Pardew foolishly argued on Saturday night, because the local newspapers have it in for him because they were banned in the autumn. It has been coming for weeks, if not months. The Newcastle Chronicle may have conducted a poll that revealed 86 per cent of fans wanted Pardew to be sacked last week, but they did not rig it. The Journal may have written he is a "dead man walking" but it was their columnist, one of Pardew's former players at West Ham, Don Hutchinson, who said it. You can trace the Pardew Out chants that emanated from the hard core travelling support on Saturday and the abusive banners unfurled at the Britannia Stadium back to 12 months ago. Newcastle's players also stopped playing for him at the end of last season following a Europa League quarter-final defeat to Benfica. The team were almost relegated as a result. He did well to repair the damage and, at Christmas, the Magpies were talking about a top six finish again. BOOOOOOOOOM!!!! Man, so much truth! So refreshing. Goes to show that the fans just needed to lead the way, for the press to follow suit, and report the truth of the matter. Well done to those fans who voiced their feelings at the Stoke game. Major credit to them all. At least at the very least Pardew's performance is now being scrutinized properly now, and not glossed over, as him doing a "great job". Excellent stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I don't really get the HBA work rate thing - when Pardew was picking him regularly, his work rate was absolutely fine. At the risk of starting a Ginola/Robert discussion - HBA was doing more tracking back than they ever did. And how has HBA been responsible for 7-8 goals being conceded?? I can barely think of any. He's rarely on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Hopefully we go behind to Swansea relatively early on Sat and the fans finally show what they think. Let's give the cunt hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Disgusting from Eliott, that. Seems the dressing room might be split in two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Rodgers has wanted him for a while. A manager that's probably about to win the league. Not that I want to think about him playing anywhere other than for us like, but it's obviously going to happen. Where is the evidence that Rodgers wants Ben Arfa? Are you referring to old newspaper rumours? There would have been very little stopping Liverpool putting a transfer offer in for Ben Arfa last Summer or in January. I'd imagine Ben Arfa would have put a transfer request in if he'd heard Liverpool were after him. We'll see where Ben Arfa goes in the Summer. I'll be surprised if it is Liverpool. He wouldnt get a game for them tbh Give over man, once Rodgers got his hands on him and had him running into space on the break? Steven Gerrard looked completely finished 18 months ago. This is what good managers do. Who would he drop? I've a sneaking suspicion he might use more than 11 players during a Premier League season and Champions League campaign. Don't quote me on it though. So you agree in his first choice 11 he wouldnt get a game then. All you had to say tbh What, right this second, do I think he'd change his team with four games to go in a title race to fit this Ben Arfa into it? No I don't. Well done. I hadn't realised we were discussing an impossible hypothetical scenario as opposed to the possibility of Ben Arfa being bought in the summer. It was an easy question. You are still avoiding an answer I'll answer. He would get in their team, yes. No one would get in their team right now, because doing so would be fucking mental. Next season though, under Rodgers, of course he could. Hatem's absolutely magic and we all know it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I love it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I don't really get the HBA work rate thing - when Pardew was picking him regularly, his work rate was absolutely fine. At the risk of starting a Ginola/Robert discussion - HBA was doing more tracking back than they ever did. And how has HBA been responsible for 7-8 goals being conceded?? I can barely think of any. He's rarely on the pitch. You're absolutely right. Not that I disliked either of them as well, the opposite is true. It's been debated before but Robert wouldn't have got into Pardew's team and been seen as a luxury that couldn't be afforded, despite him being one of the best players in the league under SBR. You just have to look at him under Souness to see that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I was speaking to Rob Elliot in a club last night for about 10 minutes. My God you can tell he's played under Pardew. He was having a go at the fans for turning after a few bad results. I said it's for months of s*** not just 4 games...He wasn't having any of it. I then proceeded to tell him that we've not come back from going in at half time losing in what 70 games? He then got aggressive saying that's 'total lies.' I pushed him on it and asked him when we had then? He then said we did it at Charlton under him He also lambasted HBA saying he's only set up at most 3 goals and how he's been solely responsible for 7-8 goal conceded! He said the players hate him and he has no work rate. I kept telling him that this was Pardew s**** coming out of his mouth and that he's been brainwashed. He honestly was like a Pardew drone. Unbelievable It's good you called him out on the facts . I find it unbelievable that professional footballers and managers do not see what is right in front of their eyes, absolute shocking performances. These people must watch other teams play and see that the way we play does not compare. Other teams have a drive to them, an actual game plan, fluent football and appear setup correctly. They tend to be let down from not having a decent goalscorer or shoddy defences. We have goalscorers but don't bother giving them the chances and on paper a decent defence that look clueless and fall apart all to easy at times. Coaching, Tactics, Formation and repeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Rodgers has wanted him for a while. A manager that's probably about to win the league. Not that I want to think about him playing anywhere other than for us like, but it's obviously going to happen. Where is the evidence that Rodgers wants Ben Arfa? Are you referring to old newspaper rumours? There would have been very little stopping Liverpool putting a transfer offer in for Ben Arfa last Summer or in January. I'd imagine Ben Arfa would have put a transfer request in if he'd heard Liverpool were after him. We'll see where Ben Arfa goes in the Summer. I'll be surprised if it is Liverpool. He wouldnt get a game for them tbh Give over man, once Rodgers got his hands on him and had him running into space on the break? Steven Gerrard looked completely finished 18 months ago. This is what good managers do. Who would he drop? I've a sneaking suspicion he might use more than 11 players during a Premier League season and Champions League campaign. Don't quote me on it though. So you agree in his first choice 11 he wouldnt get a game then. All you had to say tbh What, right this second, do I think he'd change his team with four games to go in a title race to fit this Ben Arfa into it? No I don't. Well done. I hadn't realised we were discussing an impossible hypothetical scenario as opposed to the possibility of Ben Arfa being bought in the summer. It was an easy question. You are still avoiding an answer I'll answer. He would get in their team, yes. No one would get in their team right now, because doing so would be fucking mental. Next season though, under Rodgers, of course he could. Hatem's absolutely magic and we all know it. In their regular starting 11 i dont think so. The obvious anser is to replace Sterling but i dont think Rodgers would do that either. He would be a squad player nowt more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Good telegraph article. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The tracking back thing does my head in as well anyway. You wouldn't ask Tiote or Mike fucking Williamson to spend half of their time taking 3 players out of the game by being so skillful that the opposition are shit scared of you, so why the fuck should Ben Arfa spend half of his time defending? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I don't really get the HBA work rate thing - when Pardew was picking him regularly, his work rate was absolutely fine. At the risk of starting a Ginola/Robert discussion - HBA was doing more tracking back than they ever did. And how has HBA been responsible for 7-8 goals being conceded?? I can barely think of any. He's rarely on the pitch. You're absolutely right. Not that I disliked either of them as well, the opposite is true. It's been debated before but Robert wouldn't have got into Pardew's team and been seen as a luxury that couldn't be afforded, despite him being one of the best players in the league under SBR. You just have to look at him under Souness to see that. I don't want HBA to defend. I want the less capable players to cover for him and allow him the freedom to get on the ball and motivate him to push forward. Happy to score 6 and concede 5 than to score 0 and concede 4. Having HBA just hanging around in their half all game immediately draws out 2-3 of the opposition players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Wasn't our fat keeper a Pardew signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Rodgers has wanted him for a while. A manager that's probably about to win the league. Not that I want to think about him playing anywhere other than for us like, but it's obviously going to happen. Where is the evidence that Rodgers wants Ben Arfa? Are you referring to old newspaper rumours? There would have been very little stopping Liverpool putting a transfer offer in for Ben Arfa last Summer or in January. I'd imagine Ben Arfa would have put a transfer request in if he'd heard Liverpool were after him. We'll see where Ben Arfa goes in the Summer. I'll be surprised if it is Liverpool. He wouldnt get a game for them tbh Give over man, once Rodgers got his hands on him and had him running into space on the break? Steven Gerrard looked completely finished 18 months ago. This is what good managers do. Who would he drop? I've a sneaking suspicion he might use more than 11 players during a Premier League season and Champions League campaign. Don't quote me on it though. So you agree in his first choice 11 he wouldnt get a game then. All you had to say tbh What, right this second, do I think he'd change his team with four games to go in a title race to fit this Ben Arfa into it? No I don't. Well done. I hadn't realised we were discussing an impossible hypothetical scenario as opposed to the possibility of Ben Arfa being bought in the summer. It was an easy question. You are still avoiding an answer I'll answer. He would get in their team, yes. No one would get in their team right now, because doing so would be f***ing mental. Next season though, under Rodgers, of course he could. Hatem's absolutely magic and we all know it. In their regular starting 11 i dont think so. The obvious anser is to replace Sterling but i dont think Rodgers would do that either. He would be a squad player nowt more Well, I completely disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Ofcourse Elliott would stand up for Pardew, he's the one who brought him here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 He's a PR master, no doubt about it. Only if the recipient is brain dead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Ben Arfa wouldn't get into Liverpool's 11 at the moment, but he'd defo make the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 If as Elliott says, the players hate Hatem, and don't think he works hard enough, it's because Pardew has convinced them all of this, by blaming Ben Arfa for all of his inadequacies. Funny thing is though, they're even worse without him in the side, and so the players are going to start feeling pretty stupid, when it becomes clear that having a bunch of track backers isn't making much of a difference to their horrendous form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Rodgers has wanted him for a while. A manager that's probably about to win the league. Not that I want to think about him playing anywhere other than for us like, but it's obviously going to happen. Where is the evidence that Rodgers wants Ben Arfa? Are you referring to old newspaper rumours? There would have been very little stopping Liverpool putting a transfer offer in for Ben Arfa last Summer or in January. I'd imagine Ben Arfa would have put a transfer request in if he'd heard Liverpool were after him. We'll see where Ben Arfa goes in the Summer. I'll be surprised if it is Liverpool. He wouldnt get a game for them tbh Give over man, once Rodgers got his hands on him and had him running into space on the break? Steven Gerrard looked completely finished 18 months ago. This is what good managers do. Who would he drop? I've a sneaking suspicion he might use more than 11 players during a Premier League season and Champions League campaign. Don't quote me on it though. So you agree in his first choice 11 he wouldnt get a game then. All you had to say tbh What, right this second, do I think he'd change his team with four games to go in a title race to fit this Ben Arfa into it? No I don't. Well done. I hadn't realised we were discussing an impossible hypothetical scenario as opposed to the possibility of Ben Arfa being bought in the summer. It was an easy question. You are still avoiding an answer I'll answer. He would get in their team, yes. No one would get in their team right now, because doing so would be f***ing mental. Next season though, under Rodgers, of course he could. Hatem's absolutely magic and we all know it. In their regular starting 11 i dont think so. The obvious anser is to replace Sterling but i dont think Rodgers would do that either. He would be a squad player nowt more Well, I completely disagree. Fair enough, at least you offered an answer. Its all opinion at the end of the day, just dont think he will get a chance too often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Ben Arfa wouldn't get into Liverpool's 11 at the moment, but he'd defo make the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Even Sterling has been rotated out recently. HBA would get in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Ben Arfa wouldn't get into Liverpool's 11 at the moment, but he'd defo make the bench. Ben Arfa would definitely play, and even start some games. More importantly he'd be amazing in that team, whenever he did feature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Even Sterling has been rotated out recently. HBA would get in. Yup Rodgers has regularly alternated between Sterling and Coutinho. He does a good job of playing them all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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