Mole_Toonfan Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I wouldn't say either one is clearly more gifted than the other tbh. Cabella seems a better playmaker and is more gifted passer with better vision while Ben Arfa is quicker and is a more gifted dribbler. They are just gifted in different ways, absolute crime they are not linking up together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Such a shame it has to be about which is better rather than them playing together. Pardew's biggest crime tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Under a certain KK this lad and Ben Arfa would be first names on the team sheet, he would find a way to accommodate them and build the team around them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It doesn't take a genius to see how we could accommodate them in the same team, just stick them on either flank in a fluid 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 and let them do their thing. You probably wouldn't want to start them both away to Man City and games like that where you know you'll have to defend for large parts of the match but that's how I'd start pretty much every home game at the very least. I know it's early but Cabella seems like he has a decent work ethic and his aggression and willingness to harry players to try and win the ball back was evident against City. Such a shame we won't see it happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Cisse would look immense in front of a 3 of Cabella, De Jong, and HBA imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Moody Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Cisse would look immense in front of a 3 of Cabella, De Jong, and HBA imo. Totally agree. Hate to sound like a broken record but fuck Pardew for not letting us witness this. Fucking hate the slimy, cowardly, hypocritical, syphilitic prick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Cisse is shit man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Cisse would look immense in front of a 3 of Cabella, De Jong, and HBA imo. Totally agree. Hate to sound like a broken record but f*** Pardew for not letting us witness this. f***ing hate the slimy, cowardly, hypocritical, syphilitic prick. This is my biggest gripe with the lying fraud. He will allow us our right to watch anything like that because in his retarded mind it risks his own job. Complete and utter charlatan who doesn't deserve to be in football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Really like Cabella's energy, as someone mentioned earlier, really enjoys himself out there, and generally seems like a fun guy, also looks to get his team mates involved. Good type of character to have in the team for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Cisse is s*** man. He was very good at shooting until he was here for more than 6 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Cisse is s*** man. Whether that's true or not, I could score with Cabella, De Jong and Ben Arfa behind me for Christ's sake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Cisse is s*** man. He was very good at shooting until he was here for more than 6 months. If there was ever a case for being Pardew'd he is it. A one or two touch instictive striker being played out on the right and asked to help the full back out. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I wouldn't say either one is clearly more gifted than the other tbh. Cabella seems a better playmaker and is more gifted passer with better vision while Ben Arfa is quicker and is a more gifted dribbler. They are just gifted in different ways, absolute crime they are not linking up together. Ben Arfa can do so much with the ball most players couldn't even conceive some of it. Just look at how he strikes the ball for example. He can hit the ball so it dips, bends or swerves. His problem is his decision making, if that was better he'd be playing for Madrid not us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Cisse is s*** man. He was very good at shooting until he was here for more than 6 months. He's been shit at shooting for 2 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Moody Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Genuinely think in a quicker paced team with more creative options that Cisse would find his form again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Genuinely think in a quicker paced team with more creative options that Cisse would find his form again. I don't think he'd find that form he had when he arrived again, but he'd probably be near enough to a 1 in 2 striker IMO. Which is very good in itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 He's Fernando Torres status - finished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Cisse is s*** man. No he's not shit. He's a striker who relies on chances to be created for him in a team that is not set up to create chances. He's not a 1/2 chance snatcher/vulture of a striker like Ba, nor is he the create your own shot or space striker like Remy, he's a put the ball in the box enough times or play it into space enough and I'll score. Unfortunately he plays in a team where we take 25 yard shots, have shit crossing, 0 movement, and generally place a striker on an island. He's still our best (proven) striker on our books and until we get another Remy/Ba player or Manu/Chuck step up we are looking light in the goals department. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Cisse is s*** man. No he's not s***. He's a striker who relies on chances to be created for him in a team that is not set up to create chances. He's not a 1/2 chance snatcher/vulture of a striker like Ba, nor is he the create your own shot or space striker like Remy, he's a put the ball in the box enough times or play it into space enough and I'll score. Unfortunately he plays in a team where we take 25 yard shots, have s*** crossing, 0 movement, and generally place a striker on an island. He's still our best (proven) striker on our books and until we get another Remy/Ba player or Manu/Chuck step up we are looking light in the goals department. Sounds like Darren Bent. If you're a striker that's dependent on service, you need to be useful in build-up play/holding the ball up and bring others in. He's crap mate. His level of finishing isn't good enough. What other striker in the league fits that description and would make a good signing? Hernandez perhaps. And he's great at scrappy goals too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 If it was up to me I'd have Ba or Remy in my team and call it a day But I'm speaking about our CURRENT squad and we've got Cisse, Manu, and Chucky man. So how do we get the best out of Cisse? Put in 2 dynamic playmakers in Cabella and Ben Arfa and give them freedom to play football. You then place De Jong behind Cisse and let him link things up, build-up play and provide a bit of aerial presence and intelligence in attack. That's all I'm saying - put in 2 players who can make space and play creative balls to Cisse for which he can thrive on, and you handle his lack of build up play and linking with De Jong who can also provide goal threat. Alternatively, Manu could be a decent partner for Cisse as he could very much be a Leon Best-like worker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Cisse is s*** man. No he's not shit. He's a striker who relies on chances to be created for him in a team that is not set up to create chances. He's not a 1/2 chance snatcher/vulture of a striker like Ba, nor is he the create your own shot or space striker like Remy, he's a put the ball in the box enough times or play it into space enough and I'll score. Unfortunately he plays in a team where we take 25 yard shots, have shit crossing, 0 movement, and generally place a striker on an island. He's still our best (proven) striker on our books and until we get another Remy/Ba player or Manu/Chuck step up we are looking light in the goals department. Couldn't agree more, all valid points. Don't be surprised if he ends up being our front man again this season. He's not a top quality striker as many are keen to point out, but until we spend the money on buying one, he's as close as to one as we are likely to get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 By the same token, I can imagine Cisse's lack of intelligence in terms of offsides being a headfuck for someone like Cabella and De Jong. For Cabella, maybe having to hold on to the ball longer than wanted because Cisse hasn't timed his run, or same for De Jong when he's making a run to support Cisse but his touch is off, or offside again. Both characteristics of we've seen over the last 2 years with Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 You don't think Bent would score with those 3 behind him then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 In any case, we'll need someone getting in the box and getting on the end of chances. Last season Cisse was more likely to be that person when Remy was out, as Luuk de Jong was not really interested in scoring goals. If someone else will step up to the plate this time round all well and good, but after the first 90 mins of the season we still haven't opened our account. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 If you're a striker that's dependent on service, you need to be useful in build-up play/holding the ball up and bring others in. To be a great striker, yes; to be an efficient one, no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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