Guest firetotheworks Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I can't blame any of the players for being s**** under this manager. There's a good team in there somewhere. I would have completely agreed with you this time a year ago. It doesn't feel like that now. There's nowhere near the same quality to be seen in Cabella, Janmaat, Colback and Riviere as there was in Ben Arfa, Debuchy, Cabaye and Remy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 "Pardewed" ? I struggle to see what he has offered us since day 1. Yesterday Obertan was much better with his direct approach getting crosses in the box and giving us width. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I'm going to defend him too much but what i will say is, our complete lack of movement means he has to hold onto the ball a lot longer than you can see is natural to him. Given the way Pardew sets his teams out, he was a poor buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I can't blame any of the players for being s**** under this manager. There's a good team in there somewhere. I would have completely agreed with you this time a year ago. It doesn't feel like that now. There's nowhere near the same quality to be seen in Cabella, Janmaat, Colback and Riviere as there was in Ben Arfa, Debuchy, Cabaye and Remy. Agreed big time. The 25 odd goals lost is huge. We would do well to get half from those 3's replacements by the looks of things. Turn some of those narrow wins to draws & losses and we are whereabouts I expected us to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I'm sure there's a good player in there, but it still baffles me that we would rather spend £12m on him than use Ben Arfa for free. What is it exactly he does better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 There were people after the city game saying he was better than Ben Arfa. (Not on here) He looked lively against City without actually producing anything, but since then he's been anonymous. But to me Ben Arfa was physically stronger, actually went past players and was a genuine goal threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Agree with pretty much everything Kid Icarus is saying apart from maybe Janmaat isn't as far behind Debuchy as the other players mentioned. To compare Ben Arfa and Cabella is like comparing caviar with dogshit. And it is way too early to write the kid off, particularly during the current shitness, but so far he looks massively out of his depth. I'm amazed Pardew put all his eggs in this basket, actually no I'm not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Don't know why people were ecstatic with him signing. Absolutely s***. Don't keep using the 'new player, new country, s*** manager' excuses anymore. HBA just went and did his job straight away. Yeah, let's give up on every foreign player after half a dozen games because Ben Arfa scored on his debut. Atleast give him time to settle in in a system that suits him before calling him s***, man. Nah, not having that excuse anymore. A really quality player would stand out in a shit system, under a shit manager, with shit players around him. Not giving up on the guy all together, but will not expect exceptional things from him either. The least he should do is practice taking free kicks and corners, or not to take them. Absolute horrendous delivery and that has nothing to do with not settling in the system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Don't know why people were ecstatic with him signing. Absolutely s***. Don't keep using the 'new player, new country, s*** manager' excuses anymore. HBA just went and did his job straight away. Yeah, let's give up on every foreign player after half a dozen games because Ben Arfa scored on his debut. Atleast give him time to settle in in a system that suits him before calling him s***, man. Nah, not having that excuse anymore. A really quality player would stand out in a s*** system, under a s*** manager, with s*** players around him. Not giving up on the guy all together, but will not expect exceptional things from him either. The least he should do is practice taking free kicks and corners, or not to take them. Absolute horrendous delivery and that has nothing to do with not settling in the system. You mean players like Tevez and Mascherano? I'm not saying he's been good, but I do wonder why we seems to consistently have players that can't whip in a corner or free kick. Even Cabaye was shit at corners. Weirdly Guthrie was the last player I remember us having he consistently whipped in excellent corners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 How the f*** has Janmaat been thrown into this? Do people not remember having their knives out for Debuchy? Janmaat looks twice the player Debuchy does in attack by the way - he's a better dribbler, better crosser, and has just as canny a shot. He's nearly scored or had a good attempt on goal in every PL match he's played in tbh. Cabella has MUCH to lean, he's clearly got to get rid of the ball sooner or use more intelligence in the way he gets by players - he's not going to do it with pace, he's got to do with it his passing and movement - ah wait, what kind of movement do we have? There are small class players all over the PL, they've need the proper movement and system around them to create space. We don't have any of it b/c we have statues all around them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 It was more that as a group of players they're not a patch on the one before them. Janmaat is the closest to that level but he's still nowhere near Debuchy, despite being similarly a bit shit at defending, but good going forward/on the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 One thing that was slightly more encouraging is that he was getting clattered a fair bit yesterday but he was picking himself up and getting on with it instead of looking like he'd lost a leg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I did think there was a period in the first half where he was starting to understand the league better. That little dribble and ball to Riviere is the sort thing he can do. Just seemed to lose whatever confidence he may have had, after half an hour or so. His style of dribbling is interesting. His best work comes when he receives the ball at pace and then commits players or when wriggling through a crowd. It's all about drawing players in and using his footwork to get around them. However, when the onus is on him to speed the play up then he's not so good as he lacks the necessary acceleration. In a ponderous set up like ours, he's not well suited. Ironically, I think going 4-4-2 and having a striker that can combine with him in the channels would help his game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Cabella has had a poor start but I really do feel sorry for him. He's managed by Pardew and the fans aren't giving him a chance whatsoever, he needs time to get used to the league and that's going to take longer with Pardew in charge. Always bringing up HBA isn't going to help things either, HBA had some appalling games but not much was said due to him being HBA. There is absolutely no movement from our players and when the likes of Cabella and Sissoko get the ball, the rest of the team just stop dead and expect a miracle, no help whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Fully expect to see him benched tomorrow. Cockface has already said he'll make changes and he's the one who'll cop it. "hasn't quite adapted, needs more time, take him out of the firing line" etc. New scapegoat basically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Fully expect to see him benched tomorrow. Cockface has already said he'll make changes and he's the one who'll cop it. "hasn't quite adapted, needs more time, take him out of the firing line" etc. New scapegoat basically. Made this exact point at work today. Obertan in, Cabella out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 As poor as cabella has been, I'd rather play with ten men than drop him for Obertan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 would rather drop gouf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Said the same this week too - Squidward for Cabella. He will probably keep Gouffran and Riviere in. And Colback as well obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 May even bench Riviere for Cisse too. Won't make any difference in the slightest but he'll spin it as him trying different options, being flexible, reacting to performances, 'doing something about it'. It'll just be a slightly different shade of shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 How the f*** has Janmaat been thrown into this? Do people not remember having their knives out for Debuchy? Janmaat looks twice the player Debuchy does in attack by the way - he's a better dribbler, better crosser, and has just as canny a shot. He's nearly scored or had a good attempt on goal in every PL match he's played in tbh. Cabella has MUCH to lean, he's clearly got to get rid of the ball sooner or use more intelligence in the way he gets by players - he's not going to do it with pace, he's got to do with it his passing and movement - ah wait, what kind of movement do we have? There are small class players all over the PL, they've need the proper movement and system around them to create space. We don't have any of it b/c we have statues all around them. Nah, hes already too skinny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Set to start for France later on according to the Ronny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Set to start for France later on according to the Ronny. Good enough for FRA but not Obertan enough for NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Set to start for France later on according to the Ronny. Good enough for FRA but not Obertan enough for NUFC. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 He does need to shave his head, I think we can all agree on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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