Tubestationatmidnight Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Crazy that Everton turned down about 90m for stones and lukaku and could end up getting 120m for the pair! A defender who isn't great at defending and a striker who is good but with a dodgy touch and worth nowhere near that. Can certainly get 2 better players than them for 100m. Or even 4 25m players for that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 It's not crazy, it's the new going rate with the Sky money. Clubs' income has increased dramatically so transfer fees will logically follow suit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Crazy that Everton turned down about 90m for stones and lukaku and could end up getting 120m for the pair! A defender who isn't great at defending and a striker who is good but with a dodgy touch and worth nowhere near that. Can certainly get 2 better players than them for 100m. Or even 4 25m players for that Should have accepted a packet of crisps for the two of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Yeah fair dos I get some stick for wanting us to take a reasonable fee for players who I don't rate that much and haven't contributed a great deal for us but you can't tell me you couldn't get at least 3 better players than them with the 97m which they have reportedly rejected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Crazy that Everton turned down about 90m for stones and lukaku and could end up getting 120m for the pair! A defender who isn't great at defending and a striker who is good but with a dodgy touch and worth nowhere near that. Can certainly get 2 better players than them for 100m. Or even 4 25m players for that Should have accepted a packet of crisps for the two of them. In his first year for Everton Lukaku scored 16 goals, then the next year 20 then the year after 25. While he may not be Aguero he is still only 23 and is improving. Ludicrous to call him anything other than one of the best strikers in the premier league before he's even reached his prime. Yes his touch is questionable which may stop him being truly top class, but he's guaranteed goals at very high level and Everton should be demanding a hefty fee for him. Stones clearly has loads and loads of potential, Martinez has made him go backwards though. (I do agree that the amount of money some clubs has seems to have made them get incredibly lazy with scouting, there will be better value, albeit higher risk elsewhere) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Fair point yeah. That's what I was mainly getting at that there will definitely be better value elsewhere. If you sell a decent player for a over inflated fee such as 30m then there will be two 15m players out there who will be even better. I like Ranieris attitude to transfers it's basically that, if he loses someone he says it's no big deal as they can be replaced and the game goes on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Crazy that Everton turned down about 90m for stones and lukaku and could end up getting 120m for the pair! A defender who isn't great at defending and a striker who is good but with a dodgy touch and worth nowhere near that. Can certainly get 2 better players than them for 100m. Or even 4 25m players for that Should have accepted a packet of crisps for the two of them. In his first year for Everton Lukaku scored 16 goals, then the next year 20 then the year after 25. While he may not be Aguero he is still only 23 and is improving. Ludicrous to call him anything other than one of the best strikers in the premier league before he's even reached his prime. Yes his touch is questionable which may stop him being truly top class, but he's guaranteed goals at very high level and Everton should be demanding a hefty fee for him. Stones clearly has loads and loads of potential, Martinez has made him go backwards though. (I do agree that the amount of money some clubs has seems to have made them get incredibly lazy with scouting, there will be better value, albeit higher risk elsewhere) How has Martinez made Stones go backwards when he was the one that brought him forward in the PL? That gave him a chance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Crazy that Everton turned down about 90m for stones and lukaku and could end up getting 120m for the pair! A defender who isn't great at defending and a striker who is good but with a dodgy touch and worth nowhere near that. Can certainly get 2 better players than them for 100m. Or even 4 25m players for that Should have accepted a packet of crisps for the two of them. In his first year for Everton Lukaku scored 16 goals, then the next year 20 then the year after 25. While he may not be Aguero he is still only 23 and is improving. Ludicrous to call him anything other than one of the best strikers in the premier league before he's even reached his prime. Yes his touch is questionable which may stop him being truly top class, but he's guaranteed goals at very high level and Everton should be demanding a hefty fee for him. Stones clearly has loads and loads of potential, Martinez has made him go backwards though. (I do agree that the amount of money some clubs has seems to have made them get incredibly lazy with scouting, there will be better value, albeit higher risk elsewhere) How has Martinez made Stones go backwards when he was the one that brought him forward in the PL? That gave him a chance? Can't coach defending though. In fairness under any other manager Stones would've been dropped long before he was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Leazes_End_Mag Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 That's Costa staying at Chelsea then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deckard 13 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 I do find it quite amusing seeing the fees thrown about for forwards that we've clearly pursued over the years and for what ever reason (probably not paying enough) didn't get them. Off the top of my head there is Gamiero who has went for €35M, Lyon are turning down €40M for Lacazette, god knows how much Aubameyang will eventually be sold for. Wonder when we'll see Mevlut Erdinc transferred to Man City for €60M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 75 million for Lukaku Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Gameiro (and Matuidi) was bad timing. I reckon they'd have come otherwise. Just at the time PSG came into their money. Aubameyang has said himself that financially we offered better terms than Borussia but they were too good to turn down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Sevilla getting Vietto (loan) and Ben Yedder to replace Gameiro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Crazy that Everton turned down about 90m for stones and lukaku and could end up getting 120m for the pair! A defender who isn't great at defending and a striker who is good but with a dodgy touch and worth nowhere near that. Can certainly get 2 better players than them for 100m. Or even 4 25m players for that Should have accepted a packet of crisps for the two of them. In his first year for Everton Lukaku scored 16 goals, then the next year 20 then the year after 25. While he may not be Aguero he is still only 23 and is improving. Ludicrous to call him anything other than one of the best strikers in the premier league before he's even reached his prime. Yes his touch is questionable which may stop him being truly top class, but he's guaranteed goals at very high level and Everton should be demanding a hefty fee for him. Stones clearly has loads and loads of potential, Martinez has made him go backwards though. (I do agree that the amount of money some clubs has seems to have made them get incredibly lazy with scouting, there will be better value, albeit higher risk elsewhere) How has Martinez made Stones go backwards when he was the one that brought him forward in the PL? That gave him a chance? Can't coach defending though. In fairness under any other manager Stones would've been dropped long before he was He did get dropped quite a lot last season. He basically looked mint when fresh from reserves coaching and then declined. I honestly would probably dissmiss him except for a few games I saw where it was absolutely clear he had twice the technical ability of anyone around him. His head needs sorting though and Martinez has not helped him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Regarding our near misses, 2007 and Ashleys takeover came at the wrong time for us. Around 2004-06 us and Spurs were the main attraction to players after Arsenal Chelsea manure Liverpool. In the past we would of been in for and got the likes of Modric and bale. Criminal how we fell from being in the top 6 clubs to 2 relegations not long later due to lack of ambition and bad transfer mistakes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Regarding our near misses, 2007 and Ashleys takeover came at the wrong time for us. Around 2004-06 us and Spurs were the main attraction to players after Arsenal Chelsea manure Liverpool. In the past we would of been in for and got the likes of Modric and bale. Criminal how we fell from being in the top 6 clubs to 2 relegations not long later due to lack of ambition and bad transfer mistakes 2006ish we were signing Sibierski, re-signing Bernard & Srnicek, loaning Onyewu & Rossi...let's not rewrite history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Maybe 2005 then. Fact is us and Spurs were round the same level if not us ahead of them in 2005. We had been in the top 5 the last few seasons and like I say other than manure Chelsea and Arsenal maybe Liverpool we were a more attractive club to go too than the rest of the league and a real chance to push on. Then like you say we signed a load of dross the year after and Spurs got a load of great players and we have been on oppisote paths ever since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 The takeover came at exactly the right time though, it was just the wrong bloke. We were on the decline by the time Shepherd's reign was up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest neesy111 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Maybe 2005 then. Fact is us and Spurs were round the same level if not us ahead of them in 2005. We had been in the top 5 the last few seasons and like I say other than manure Chelsea and Arsenal maybe Liverpool we were a more attractive club to go too than the rest of the league and a real chance to push on. Then like you say we signed a load of dross the year after and Spurs got a load of great players and we have been on oppisote paths ever since. 2004 yes, not 2005. A year of souness set us back at least 4 years of progress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Sick of seeing those fake quotes photos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 We went and appointed Souness and Liverpool went and appointed Rafa... That's when it all went wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 I fucking love those fake quotes photos Fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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