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It's facts though.

 

The same is true of Koeman's managerial career. If Everton is the biggest club he'll ever manage (forgetting Valencia), he would consider it a failure imo.

 

Dyche made a decent comment awhile ago about players motivations. It can be anything, he just needs to know what it is. If it's getting a transfer away to a more prestigious club, he'll support it if they deliver. If it's wages, likewise. If it's praise and an arm around the shoulder etc.

 

I think it's fair. Lukaku - go and score 30 league goals and help us get into the CL and you'll get that Barca move. That's fair.  Pardew's brand of help us stay up and you'll get a move to Spurs is unacceptable. Koeman's talking the absolute pinnacle of the game. Pardew was talking anyone in the top 6.

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It's facts though.

 

The same is true of Koeman's managerial career. If Everton is the biggest club he'll ever manage (forgetting Valencia), he would consider it a failure imo.

 

Dyche made a decent comment awhile ago about players motivations. It can be anything, he just needs to know what it is. If it's getting a transfer away to a more prestigious club, he'll support it if they deliver. If it's wages, likewise. If it's praise and an arm around the shoulder etc.

 

I think it's fair. Lukaku - go and score 30 league goals and help us get into the CL and you'll get that Barca move. That's fair.  Pardew's brand of help us stay up and you'll get a move to Spurs is unacceptable. Koeman's talking the absolute pinnacle of the game. Pardew was talking anyone in the top 6.

 

So unless you manage a 'top club' then your entire managerial career is a failure? What absolute shit. Koeman could achieve (and already has achieved) a lot in his managerial career. If he won the league or got CL football consistently with Everton, I doubt his career would be seen as a failure.

 

In relation to Lukaku, rather than the shit he has sprouted, why not come out and say; 'Romelu would like CL football, we cannot currently offer him that but we've asked him to stay with us for 1 or 2 seasons to try to achieve it'. Rather than openly touting his player to other teams.

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Don't encourage him by replying to his obvious crap. Those quotes are horrific, I'd be spitting blood if I was an Everton fan.

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Koemen is simply speaking the truth here. Lukaku was touted as the next big thing when he was at Anderlecht. If he has never progressed from a top 8 team in his career, as Everton are, then he would be one of those who is remembered for not reaching their potential. If he turns around and scores 25 goals this season and goes to Arsenal for example, then he can look back on his career knowing he played for a top club.

 

Everton aren't going to reach that sort of level realistically, and Lukaku needs to leave if he is going to be what he was touted as.

 

Personally, I don't rate Lukaku that highly and think he is a perfect fit for Everton. He'll score the goals they need, but I don't think he'll be the main striker at a big club and I think he needs to be that.

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Koeman is the manager of Everton ffs. People saying that he's simply speaking the truth. :anguish: This is what it's come to, fucking pathetic.

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There is simply no excuse to openly tout your player to other clubs. No matter what level you, the player or the other club plays at.

 

You should strive to grow and achieve things with your best players rather than being happy to be a stepping stone.

 

:thup:

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There is simply no excuse to openly tout your player to other clubs. No matter what level you, the player or the other club plays at.

 

You should strive to grow and achieve things with your best players rather than being happy to be a stepping stone.

 

Spot on.

 

If Lukaku wants to move in the summer then fine. Everton name their fee and reinvest it in their squad but they shouldn't tout him about during the season.

 

Very Pardew-esqe. Thought more of Koeman.

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Lukaku's ability is undoubted, but his inconsistency sometimes and poor attitude makes me think there's more to this than Koeman just openly touting him about for the sake of the money.

 

He's clearly not all that committed to Everton and has openly said he doesn't want to stay before, as he feels he should be playing for a bigger club. Although Everton are significantly bankrolled now, it's going to take a hell of a lot of them to be a side that breaches the top 4 or mounts a challenge to be taken serious, given the teams that are finishing top 4 now appear to be gunning for the title at least until the final 12-8 weeks of the season.

 

I think it makes more sense if you're Koeman if a player wants to leave to laud him with praise in public and let him have a storming season, so he can be bought by a Chelsea/PSG team for £70m+ in the summer (providing he wants to leave), then he can reinvest the money in a player with similar(ish) ability who actually wants to be there.

 

I do see the argument that if Everton want to progress they should keep their best player, but forcing a player like Lukaku to stay against his will, will probably do more harm than good. With his apparent attitude problems it could even turn almost like the Berahino situation.

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Used this example before, but any different to Sir Bobby's comments when he sold Woodgate?

 

'It is a huge sum of money and a huge opportunity for him and we could not deny him that opportunity'.

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