Not worthy of a thread - UEFA Euro 2016 edition

[Yorkie]

The move up to 24 teams had completely passed me by until about a week prior to the tournament. It is a complete mess, like.

 

32 seems far, far too many just for Europe. The qualifiers would be absolutely pointless and there'd be some absolute wank teams in the finals, stinking up the place with relentless defense.

 

16 obviously isn't going to happen because money.

 

Fuck knows what they're gonna do with it but it can't be like this again.

[Dave]

Make the third place table ranked by goals scored first, not points.

[Yorkie]

Make the third place table ranked by goals scored first, not points.

 

I wouldn't want to see anything like that because it goes against traditional football; but that would be better than what we currently have. No way - ever - should a team be able to camp and settle for 3rd in a tournament. Not in the way Slovakia did tonight. What a pisstake.

[Wullie]

I think it has to go back down to 16.  I love having loads of games on, and I'd happily see it go up to 32 if the quality was there, but 24 teams is already really pushing it in terms of teams that are worth watching in any way. For every Netherlands that might actually manage not to fuck up getting in under that format, there's Latvia, Estonia, Armenia also getting a crack.

 

And as Yorkie says, qualification would be a farce.

[Kaizero]

Would love 32 tbh. I enjoy minnows in the group stage more than "big" nations.

[Wullie]

Everyone likes a minnow but I'd imagine they're considerably less interesting if they make up most of the tournament.

[Kaizero]

Nah, I'd watch the fuck outta Estonia - Lithuania in a tournament. I can't think of one player playing for those nations whose names I know

[SEMTEX]

The only way it seems attainable to keep 24 is to sack off the third place qualifier and give the best 4 group winners a bye.

[louistoon]

To be honest I don't mind 24 teams. It gives some of the smaller home nations a chance to compete and I think that will be good for British footie in general. 32 is too many.

 

It could be fairer I know but at the end of the day, each side of the draw has 3 group winners in it so as long as you win your group these are your competition, and the lesser teams get more of a chance of playing in the knockout stages, so really I don't think anyone is terribly disadvantaged by it. Even with 16 teams there are always some groups that are stronger than others. I'd rather play the winner of group F than Belgium. Also in some ways the fact that a team can end up on either side of the knockout stage makes it a little more interesting.

[SEMTEX]

24 teams is the reason that bumblefuck teams can set up with no interest of actually attacking. Tournament football should be difficult and should require teams to attack. There is no way in hell Albania should have a chance at qualifying.

[ponsaelius]

The teams aren't the problem so much as the format. 16 and 32 works fine, 24 is a mess.

 

8 groups of 3 would be better than this, come to think of it.

[ponsaelius]

It's a bit of a catch 22, because I do think 16 is slightly too small considering the depth of European teams there is now. But 32 is too many and makes qualifying a farce.

[Guest]

7 groups of 4. Then only 2 best 3rd placed teams. Less likely teams settle for 3rd if it's a 2 in 7 rather than 2 in 3 chance.

 

Would get rid of the Play Offs too.

[Marko NUFC]

7 groups of 4. Then only 2 best 3rd placed teams. Less likely teams settle for 3rd if it's a 2 in 7 rather than 2 in 3 chance.

 

Would get rid of the Play Offs too.

 

This is actually a very good idea. Keeps the 4-team group and makes 3rd place hard to achieve if teams want to settle for 3rd. More importantly increases number of teams from 24 to 28 which UEFA would welcome and its more fair than the current system.

[ponsaelius]

The other problem though is how the expanded tournament has made hosting it an unappealing and even unfeasible prospect for most countries. Hence why Euro 2020 is being played all over Europe, nobody was willing to give hosting it a go.

 

[Nobody]

25 teams, 5 groups of 5, three out of five teams go through with the best fourth placed team making up the last one? Moar games Would obviously be well shite that a team that finishes second last from a group of five going through, but as it would be only one, teams couldn't play for that spot the same way they have played for third place in this one.

[triggs]

Cut it to 20 teams. 4 groups of 5

[Guest]

Cut it to 20 teams. 4 groups of 5

 

And then what. Just a last 8?

 

Not keen on the idea of over half of your games in the tournament being group matches either.

[Pata]

The only way it seems attainable to keep 24 is to sack off the third place qualifier and give the best 4 group winners a bye.

 

This is the way to go or go up to 32 teams. There are still good to decent teams like Holland, Serbia, Denmark, Norway, Greece, Bosnia-Herzegovina etc. that didn't make the cut and I like that small nations get their chance too. Only top two qualifying should make the games better and I don't think the quality of football would suffer with 32 teams. Only problems are that it would make the qualifying process almost worthless and it would be a massive event to host.

[Hanshithispantz]

Think 8 groups of 3 is a good idea tbh.

[sbnufc]

Just had a look at the qualifying to see which teams would be added if it was 32.  From the top 4 teams of each quali group, minus all the teams who are actually at this Euros, the teams who would also be there are:

Netherlands

Bosnia-Herzegovina

Israel

Belarus

Scotland

Estonia

Finland

Montenegro

Norway

Bulgaria

Denmark

Serbia

 

That would take it to 36 though so 4 would have to be cut.  Either way I wouldnt be a fan of seeing all that in the groups. It's bad enough with some of the dross that is there already

 

 

 

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After these you're literally getting into the likes of Faroe Islands, San Marino, Cyprus & Liechtenstein

[Nobody]

Interesting read on the Croatia protests and why they are doing it

http://www.ultras-tifo.net/news/4392-torcida-explained-why-did-croatian-ultras-throw-flares-at-euro.html

Tempers flare at EURO 2016

 

In the light of recent events, it is our prerogative (being the first organized supporters group in Europe) to tackle the source of misbehaving of Croatian fans, during the last match of the European Championship. Do not be mistaken, they are CROATIAN FANS, maybe more so than those who accuse them today. Croatian fans live their emotions and consider the national team to be sacred, but are at the same time ready to hurt their teams’ chances for progress in search of international help. Clutching your fist at your own kin is the hardest thing to do, but when all other options are depleted, it is the only way to seek justice. This raises the question of how desperate the fans must be, when they are willing to risk high fines and prison time, just to send a message?

 

Even though the supporters group “Torcida” was not in any way related to this emotional outburst, we couldn’t in all truth say it was not expected. For the past five years we have been warning all government and football officials, about the massive dissatisfaction and miss agreement with where our national football is heading. Our Football Federation is crippled with affairs, infested with criminals and run by marionettes and dirty money.

 

Zdravko Mamić , who is the current executive director of our Football federation, is at the moment pending criminal charges for misuse of position and authority, bribery and embezzling , of over 15.1 million Euros. This all happened while he was Executive Director of GNK Dinamo, a position he kept up until the court gave him a banning order to conduct any executive work, while the trial and investigation are taking place. He was charged for embezzling money in the following way: at the time of a players transfer, he would sign an annex to the professional contract in which the player would have the right to 50% of the total amount of future transfer fees, even though in reality the player did not have any claim to that money. The club would then pay that money to the player, and the player would return the money in cash to Zdravko Mamic or other members of his family. Also, his brother who is the current manager of GNK Dinamo was charged for taking over 3.1 million Euros in loans from GNK Dinamo in a two year span. Charges indicate that he had returned those loans by taking 50% of players transfer fees and returning the money to GNK Dinamo, while keeping the rest for himself. Police departments dealing with organized crime; found the testimony of Liverpool FC defender Dejan Lovren to be quite interesting. As part of the aforementioned scheme, GNK Dinamo had made a payment of 3.4 million Euros to Dejan Lovren, as a part of his fees for the transfer to Liverpool FC. According to the investigation, what actually happened was that Dejan Lovren kept only 200,000 Euros for himself, while the rest of the money he gave to Zdravko Mamic or some of his family members in cash. On a further note, Zdravko Mamic is also pending criminal charges for tax evasion of up to 1.6 mil Euros, and at the same time is charged for bribing a tax officer who did not charge any income or other local taxes to Dinamo Zagreb.

 

Zdravko Mamic has risen to power and accumulated capital during an after war period, a time in which crony capitalism and corruption were spread around Croatia. During those years he became friends or had funded numerous important people in Croatia. He is a close friend and an associate of Milan Bandic, the controversial major of Zagreb. He is also a close friend with the Head of County Court of Zagreb Ivan Turudić and has also funded the election campaign of the ruling political party in Croatia. The current President of Republic of Croatia, also had her presidential campaign funded by Zdravko Mamic. He even organized a private birthday party for her, which was placed in his villa, and attended by her and a number of other Croatian politicians. Whenever Zdravko Mamic gets indicted for something, he calls in a favor and ends up in the company of high-ranking Government officials like the current First Deputy Prime Minister Tomislav Karamarko.  Just recently, briefly after Mamic was released from custody, they have been witnessed while having a private meeting. After those meetings, somehow all his indictments tend to end up in the “back draw” of the judicial system.

 

Even the Director of the Special Intelligence Agency was relieved of duty, shortly after the President of Croatia found out that Zdravko Mamic was under surveillance in a pending investigation.

 

Although GNK Dinamo are the current Croatian football league champions, their title was celebrated by less than 500 people on the stands. While he was executive director of  FC Dinamo, he first placed his brother to be the sports director and soon after the manager of the club. All of this obvious corruption and nepotism drove away all the Dinamo supporters who were not satisfied with the way this publicly owned club is governed. When the manager of the Croatian national team was not obedient to him, Zdravko Mamic fired him and installed two of his “puppets”, Davor Suker as the Football Federation president, Ante Cacic, (who was at the time coach of GNK Dinamo B team called FC Lokomotiva), while at the same time naming himself as the executive director

 

Currently, a total of 16 out of 23 national team player, allegedly have usurious contracts with Zdravko Mamic, which means that he gets a cut of all earnings, salaries, bonuses and transfer fees they make.

 

 

(Zdravko Mamić in Saint Etienne during the match with Czech Republic talking with Croatian coach)

It is estimated that he gets 40.000 Euros overall from the players for every win and 20.000 Euros for every draw on EURO 2016 in France, all made as cash payments. The latest example is the world’s best midfielder Luka Modric. In the pending lawsuit against Mamic, Luka Modric testified in front of police investigators that according to the terms of his civil contract, he is obliged to make cash payments (which range from 25-30% of his total earnings) to Zdravko Mamic. Usually this is hidden from the public eye, but some players decided to resist. A good example is the former Arsenal FC striker Eduardo Da Silva. He was not willing to make cash payments to Zdravko Mamic anymore and took the whole thing to court. According to his usurious contract, he had to pay 40% of his total earnings. Due to the fact that Zdravko Mamic had through the football federation paid numerous fees for “financial consultation” to at least two County Court judges (Jasna Smiljancic and Ivica Veselic), from the very beginning it was obvious that Eduardo did not stand a chance in Croatian courts.

 

Zdravko Mamic still rules the Croatian Football Federation and gets to pick a coach as well as all the players. Remember Alen Halilovic, the 20 year old FC Barcelona “wunderkind”, who had a great year playing for Real Sporting de Gijon. He is not a part of the squad on EURO 2016, because he ended his relationship with Zdravko Mamic on bad terms and allegedly does not give him a cut of the earnings. Another good example is the aforementioned 26 year old Liverpool FC defender Dejan Lovren. A player who was in the starting line-up at this years’ UEFA Europa League final against FC Sevilla, was also not invited to EURO 2016 team, because he refused “to be obedient” and spoke out in public. It is clear to everybody in Croatia that players in rotation are called solely from GNK Dinamo for the purpose of raising their price on the international market. Remember Sammir who played in starting lineup against Cameroon in World Cup in Brazil 2014?He was later sold to Getafe FC and never called to the national team again. People in Croatia grow weary of these choices and feel we could play a much more important role in international football, only if the team selection was based on quality and not Zdravko Mamic’s private interests.

 

Croatian fans tried every democratic way to enforce some order in Croatian Football Federation. Even the Croatian parliament, which was pressured by the general public and football fans, passed a law called Sports’ Act , which was supposed to make funding and finances of all sport clubs in Croatia transparent. Croatian Football Federation and GNK Dinamo (both ruled by Zdravko Mamic) issued a statement that the government law does not apply to them and they shall not abide. Predrag Šustar, the current Minister of Sport (under whose authority this law should be enforced) does nothing, because he is a member of the Party funded by Zdravko Mamic. The president of the Republic of Croatia was also member of that same Party.

 

Concerning Davor Suker, the current President of our Football Federation, we are sad to say that the days of his glory are far behind him. A player, who was once seen as a national hero, now is nothing more than a criminal offender (convicted of stealing 25.000 Euros worth of Greek golden coins from an airplane) and a puppet of Mamic, who is looking for an easy living at the expense of our Football Federation.

 

It is sad to have the feeling that your national team is stolen from you, and that it is now in the hands of criminals who could not care less about our homeland as far as their wallets are full. This and many other reasons is why we are afraid that ignoring the symptoms created a state that is about to inflame the whole system, which will end in catharsis. Croatian Football Federation is in need of redemption to its fans, and the only solution is that all executives resign their positions and we start all over.

 

Help our fans kick criminals out of football and take back the national team!

[Pata]

Interesting read.

[sbnufc]

State of the top half of the draw man

 

http://i.imgur.com/XiCbZ6N.png

 

Croatia have a clear run to the final. The only team that might cause them trouble should be Belgium (Runner up E) in the semi finals.

 

Why are all the decent teams on one side?

[Ryan]

Looking likely that it's going to be Belgium/Croatia in the final. Heck, even Wales have got a chance.

 

We buggered up badly not winning the group.