Jack Colback (now a free agent)

[Sho Time]

We agree then. He shouldn't be in the team.

 

Not unless another player comes in, all this clamour for the amazing, sensational Mehdi Abeid to replace him is just ridiculous. If Tiote could rediscover his form I'd have Colback out and Tiote in the team in a heartbeat, but at the moment he's our best option alongside Anita unfortunately.

[Nexumaster]

He looked decent, I don't mind having him in the squad but he's by no means top class and shouldn't just start automatically.

[mozy]

I noticed three things this guy did yesterday. The foul on Mane and the two blocks at the end.

 

Can someone please let me know where he was the remainder of the game? Thanks.

 

The comparison to Anita makes me sick. Anita constantly made himself available for the ball to start off moves from the back, and constantly pressed and harried the opposition to good effect, without stupid fouls.

 

I genuinely don't understand what people are watching when they compare the two. But it's okay, we're playing Swansea next. Let's see if the improved build up play we all saw yesterday is still evident if Anita has to miss out.

 

Bloody ridiculous s*** man.

 

Your first point is pretty fucking stupid. If you only judge players by highlight reel contributions then sure, that was his performance. But if you conveniently ignore every other small contribution then hey, it fits the narrative.

 

Colback is supposed to be Alan Smith, Nicky Butt. The typical clogger who can't control a ball and spends most of the game trying to win back posession from his own giveaways.

 

Anita is supposed to be Phillip Cocu, Daley Blind. The super technical DM who lives between his own centre-backs and does nothing other than 'play the right way'.

 

The reality is that both players are a hell of a lot fucking similar than their stereotypes and do predominantly the same job in a midfield.

[triggs]

I wish Colback would get rid of the ball a bit quicker like. Yesterday he wasted time looking around before inevitably playing the simple pass. He should just take one or two touches and then play the simple pass

[KaKa]

I noticed three things this guy did yesterday. The foul on Mane and the two blocks at the end.

 

Can someone please let me know where he was the remainder of the game? Thanks.

 

The comparison to Anita makes me sick. Anita constantly made himself available for the ball to start off moves from the back, and constantly pressed and harried the opposition to good effect, without stupid fouls.

 

I genuinely don't understand what people are watching when they compare the two. But it's okay, we're playing Swansea next. Let's see if the improved build up play we all saw yesterday is still evident if Anita has to miss out.

 

Bloody ridiculous s*** man.

 

Your first point is pretty f***ing stupid. If you only judge players by highlight reel contributions then sure, that was his performance. But if you conveniently ignore every other small contribution then hey, it fits the narrative.

 

Colback is supposed to be Alan Smith, Nicky Butt. The typical clogger who can't control a ball and spends most of the game trying to win back posession from his own giveaways.

 

Anita is supposed to be Phillip Cocu, Daley Blind. The super technical DM who lives between his own centre-backs and does nothing other than 'play the right way'.

 

The reality is that both players are a hell of a lot f***ing similar than their stereotypes and do predominantly the same job in a midfield.

 

My first point is in fact not stupid, because I watched the whole game and saw none of these other little contributions he made.

 

This whole thing is really laughable to me. We'll see what happens Saturday if Anita sits out.

 

Bloody ridiculous.

[KaKa]

I wish Colback would get rid of the ball a bit quicker like. Yesterday he wasted time looking around before inevitably playing the simple pass. He should just take one or two touches and then play the simple pass

 

Apparently it makes no difference that he slows down play only to then pass it back to a defender or the midfielder right beside him.

 

It's allegedly exactly what Anita does also. They're one and the same.

 

Bullshit.

[The College Dropout]

I noticed three things this guy did yesterday. The foul on Mane and the two blocks at the end.

 

Can someone please let me know where he was the remainder of the game? Thanks.

 

The comparison to Anita makes me sick. Anita constantly made himself available for the ball to start off moves from the back, and constantly pressed and harried the opposition to good effect, without stupid fouls.

 

I genuinely don't understand what people are watching when they compare the two. But it's okay, we're playing Swansea next. Let's see if the improved build up play we all saw yesterday is still evident if Anita has to miss out.

 

Bloody ridiculous s*** man.

 

Your first point is pretty f***ing stupid. If you only judge players by highlight reel contributions then sure, that was his performance. But if you conveniently ignore every other small contribution then hey, it fits the narrative.

 

Colback is supposed to be Alan Smith, Nicky Butt. The typical clogger who can't control a ball and spends most of the game trying to win back posession from his own giveaways.

 

Anita is supposed to be Phillip Cocu, Daley Blind. The super technical DM who lives between his own centre-backs and does nothing other than 'play the right way'.

 

The reality is that both players are a hell of a lot f***ing similar than their stereotypes and do predominantly the same job in a midfield.

 

I would agree with this. Individually both Colback & Anita had bang average games. We looked worse when ANita went off but that had more to do with Tiote totally being off the pace/being Tiote.

 

 

Anita has some advantages over Colback for sure. But some of them aren't true. Anita misplaced more passes than Colback while attempting less passes. Both of them pass sideways a lot. Neither look for a forward ball often enough. Anita moves it quicker that's about it.

[KaKa]

On the chance Wijnaldum should have scored from Sissoko's cut back. Please let me know who sent Sissoko free? Anita did.

 

Please give me one example of a forward pass like that from Colback in yet another full 90 mins he played?

[Deuce]

Many PL players don't have the ability or desire to put a shift in? I think you've been on the leaves again, Baba.

I stand by what I said. Many players do not want to work hard for the team when they don't have the ball. Many do not have the physical abilities or mental concentration to maintain hard work for 90 minutes. It is an important attribute. Whether this justifies starting Colback every single match, is a different argument.

 

I agree, it's an important attribute. It also just so happens to be Colback's only attribute.

[The College Dropout]

I wish Colback would get rid of the ball a bit quicker like. Yesterday he wasted time looking around before inevitably playing the simple pass. He should just take one or two touches and then play the simple pass

 

Apparently it makes no difference that he slows down play only to then pass it back to a defender or the midfielder right beside him.

 

It's allegedly exactly what Anita does also. They're one and the same.

 

Bullshit.

Anita passes it quicker but he makes the same passes. You would think Anita was Pirlo the way people talking about his pasing.

[KaKa]

Still waiting for an example of one forward pass from Colback.

 

Even McClaren was urging him to switch play late in the game when he kept passing it to the left side after it had become congested.

 

The guy doesn't use the ball with any intelligence at all. He's not thinking about what he's doing at all.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I think he's thinking inasmuch as he selects a pass that is within his range and is usually to an unmarked teammate. He keeps the ball in that respect, but he doesn't open up the game or provide any particular benefit to the attack.

 

TBH I don't think it's worth wasting too many more words slagging him off if he's going to play. I don't rate him but if he's going to play then we know what we're going to get.

[themanupstairs]

This board is negative as f***. He had a decent game today.

He was at worst average today, and yet we are still gifted with continuous discussion of how poor a player he is.

 

Different day, same story on this forum. They spend their time mocking him for his white skin (I am sure if his pigmentation was of a different ethnicity, they would say nowt about that) and his speech impediment, but they reserve their ire mostly for his biggest disability of all, his nationality.

 

If his name was Jaques Le Col Baque, with Ugandan origin  they would be far more tolerable. For evidence of this, see their rampant and sinister defence of Vernon Anita, by far one of the most pointless players the premier league has ever seen, but due to nefarious reasons outlined earlier, they will remorselessly defend him until the cows come home.

 

Weapons grade unfounded horse plop.

[themanupstairs]

This board is negative as f***. He had a decent game today.

He was at worst average today, and yet we are still gifted with continuous discussion of how poor a player he is.

 

Different day, same story on this forum. They spend their time mocking him for his white skin (I am sure if his pigmentation was of a different ethnicity, they would say nowt about that) and his speech impediment, but they reserve their ire mostly for his biggest disability of all, his nationality.

 

If his name was Jaques Le Col Baque, with Ugandan origin  they would be far more tolerable. For evidence of this, see their rampant and sinister defence of Vernon Anita, by far one of the most pointless players the premier league has ever seen, but due to nefarious reasons outlined earlier, they will remorselessly defend him until the cows come home.

 

 

 

This is weapons-grade retardation.

 

I reckon if he was called Lin-Con Eemp you'd reckon he was a f***ing mint poster and not at all a complete knuckle dragging fuckwit.

 

Once again, anti English xenephobia on display. I notice no one has had the grace or dignity to offer an opposition to my post, rather just decide they are offended for no justifiable reason whatsoever.

 

Accusing people of racism for no good reason is stupid and irresponsible and shows you up as an instigating WUM. Your posts on this matter don't merit any reasonable debate.

[STM]

We agree then. He shouldn't be in the team.

 

Probably not. Close between him and Anita. That's not the issue though.

 

It's defending unnecessary abuse. He's somewhere between average and good. Doesn't mean every thread should be full of ginger cunt stuff.

[themanupstairs]

As somebody said above, he keeps us ticking over with short no nonsense passing. I would also agree that he, in reality, is no Pirlo, but we know what he does and he does it week in week out, therefore giving a sense of security and consistency in a position that in time will get an updgrade. He gives 110% which for me is decent enough, his ability is what it is and until we sign an upgrade give the lad a break...FFS!

 

He doesn't keep us ticking over at all IMO. He makes some great interceptions, and bursts forward into space where he has the chance to do something good. Then he fucks it all up by suddenly stopping, and giving a meaningless pointless sideways pass. Sometimes sideways passes are important for keeping possession and frustrating opponents. They are also sometimes completely cowardly when they slow down an attack that could potentially yield a goal scoring opportunity. If he's to improve, he needs to learn when to pass sideways, and when to take a chance and make a threatening pass forward.

 

Comparing him with Anita isn't clever at all because Anita actually has the ability and speed of thought to make the one touch first-time pass to a player better positioned than him. Colback needs too many touches, and needs to improve this side of his game.

 

The last ditch block showed high levels of fitness and concentration at the end of a match when the rest of the team was out on its arse. He single handedly prevented us from losing, and for that he earns high praise.

[Interpolic]

How can I hate the English, my mam's one.

[Parsley]

Still waiting for an example of one forward pass from Colback.

 

Even McClaren was urging him to switch play late in the game when he kept passing it to the left side after it had become congested.

 

The guy doesn't use the ball with any intelligence at all. He's not thinking about what he's doing at all.

He played a decent lofted ball down the left hand side for Haidara in the second half.

[Guest reefatoon]

You say that but Anita's passing on the most part yesterday was shit.

[STM]

Both are lightweight, both work hard, both have no outstanding qualities and both play the simple pass nine times out of ten. There alot to compare between Anita and Colback.

 

The difference is that Colback was Pardew's golden boy and Anita was ostracised by that regime. I think Anita deserves more than a fair crack at the whip.

[Dr Venkman]

 

It's all about opinions.

 

It isn't really though, is it?

[Marmoset]

In your opinion.

[themanupstairs]

Big Sam was on BeIn over the weekend and he brought up a very interesting matter. He said that most coaches in the PL, if not all, rely tremendously on statistical analysis of players' performances in matches. He said that it was a double-edge sword in that sometimes it can be used as an excuse to drop a player if his stats weren't good enough. On the other hand, players with good stats get upset if they're dropped, and the boss has to use man-management skills to explain that it was a tactical decision etc..

 

Could it be that players, who are obviously aware of this, try to use it to their advantage? Making these meaningless sideways passes surely increases a player's passing accuracy? I'm not accusing Colback of doing it. He may or may not be. He certainly has shown that he's willing to fight for the cause, but maybe this over-analysis of statistics is giving some players something to hide behind.

[Twinport53]

Big Sam was on BeIn over the weekend and he brought up a very interesting matter. He said that most coaches in the PL, if not all, rely tremendously on statistical analysis of players' performances in matches. He said that it was a double-edge sword in that sometimes it can be used as an excuse to drop a player if his stats weren't good enough. On the other hand, players with good stats get upset if they're dropped, and the boss has to use man-management skills to explain that it was a tactical decision etc..

 

Could it be that players, who are obviously aware of this, try to use it to their advantage? Making these meaningless sideways passes surely increases a player's passing accuracy? I'm not accusing Colback of doing it. He may or may not be. He certainly has shown that he's willing to fight for the cause, but maybe this over-analysis of statistics is giving some players something to hide behind.

 

He's allergic to passing forward into the final third.

[Marmoset]

Big Sam was on BeIn over the weekend and he brought up a very interesting matter. He said that most coaches in the PL, if not all, rely tremendously on statistical analysis of players' performances in matches. He said that it was a double-edge sword in that sometimes it can be used as an excuse to drop a player if his stats weren't good enough. On the other hand, players with good stats get upset if they're dropped, and the boss has to use man-management skills to explain that it was a tactical decision etc..

 

Could it be that players, who are obviously aware of this, try to use it to their advantage? Making these meaningless sideways passes surely increases a player's passing accuracy? I'm not accusing Colback of doing it. He may or may not be. He certainly has shown that he's willing to fight for the cause, but maybe this over-analysis of statistics is giving some players something to hide behind.

 

:lol: