Guest hobshobs Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Don't see why it's so hard for some to accept the perhaps hatem has come back overweight or unfit or whatever. That isn't the problem, pardew keeping him out of the squad for New Zealand and generally excluding him is. Exactly. HTM fought back from a double leg break and showed he was focussed. Then he's treated like Cisse and others because it's the Pardew way or no way. Today we're told that a fee of £8 million for Remy has been agreed with Liverpool. So either we won't stretch to £8 million for a guy who has proven he can still score goals under this managers non-sensical tactics or Remy simply doesn't believe in how we are setup, organised, whatever you want to call it. Just another to add to the list - Remy, Colo, HTM, Marveaux...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Don't see why it's so hard for some to accept the perhaps hatem has come back overweight or unfit or whatever. That isn't the problem, pardew keeping him out of the squad for New Zealand and generally excluding him is. Exactly. HTM fought back from a double leg break and showed he was focussed. Then he's treated like Cisse and others because it's the Pardew way or no way. Today we're told that a fee of £8 million for Remy has been agreed with Liverpool. So either we won't stretch to £8 million for a guy who has proven he can still score goals under this managers non-sensical tactics or Remy simply doesn't believe in how we are setup, organised, whatever you want to call it. Just another to add to the list - Remy, Colo, HTM, Marveaux...... Just on the fee, if you believe the info, Liverpool are allowed to get him for £8m as they finished in the top 4, 5th and 6th would have to pay £11m. And everyone else (us) would have to pay £15m. Probably why we're not in the chase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Don't see why it's so hard for some to accept the perhaps hatem has come back overweight or unfit or whatever. That isn't the problem, pardew keeping him out of the squad for New Zealand and generally excluding him is. Exactly. HTM fought back from a double leg break and showed he was focussed. Then he's treated like Cisse and others because it's the Pardew way or no way. Today we're told that a fee of £8 million for Remy has been agreed with Liverpool. So either we won't stretch to £8 million for a guy who has proven he can still score goals under this managers non-sensical tactics or Remy simply doesn't believe in how we are setup, organised, whatever you want to call it. Just another to add to the list - Remy, Colo, HTM, Marveaux...... Just on the fee, if you believe the info, Liverpool are allowed to get him for £8m as they finished in the top 4, 5th and 6th would have to pay £11m. And everyone else (us) would have to pay £15m. Probably why we're not in the chase. that and from day one he clearly didn't give a rats ass about playing for us, always a means to an end Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Don't see why it's so hard for some to accept the perhaps hatem has come back overweight or unfit or whatever. That isn't the problem, pardew keeping him out of the squad for New Zealand and generally excluding him is. Exactly. HTM fought back from a double leg break and showed he was focussed. Then he's treated like Cisse and others because it's the Pardew way or no way. Today we're told that a fee of £8 million for Remy has been agreed with Liverpool. So either we won't stretch to £8 million for a guy who has proven he can still score goals under this managers non-sensical tactics or Remy simply doesn't believe in how we are setup, organised, whatever you want to call it. Just another to add to the list - Remy, Colo, HTM, Marveaux...... Just on the fee, if you believe the info, Liverpool are allowed to get him for £8m as they finished in the top 4, 5th and 6th would have to pay £11m. And everyone else (us) would have to pay £15m. Probably why we're not in the chase. that and from day one he clearly didn't give a rats ass about playing for us, always a means to an end Aye, never thought his heart was in it for us, going to Q.P.R in the first place said it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Don't get how one professional and their ineptitude is a result of difficult circumstances yet issues with another are a result of his poor attitude and approach. One is given far more leeway than the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 There's a story that Hatem turned down a new contract on less money and since then he's been treated like we've seen, the club and Pardew bullshitting in other words. I'm still of the opinion he's not unfit and the club are doing what they always do when they want their own way. It's a strategy without a doubt. hence why he did the interview at the end of last season. Pardew is a weasel and wont have the balls to conduct himself properly and that imo was the final nail in his NUFC career, since then I've been of the opinion that regardless of if Pardew is sacked or not HBA is done here probably best for all parties that he moves on, he's not going to get a look in under pardew and the higher ups don't seem to disagree with that opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Don't get how one professional and their ineptitude is a result of difficult circumstances yet issues with another are a result of his poor attitude and approach. One is given far more leeway than the other. Are implying Hatem/Remy type thing, with Remy it was the taking more money from Q.P.R and in interviews while playing for us that he wanted to play for a Champions League team, hence his heart wasn't really here. Completely different situation to Hatem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 There's a story that Hatem turned down a new contract on less money and since then he's been treated like we've seen, the club and Pardew bullshitting in other words. I'm still of the opinion he's not unfit and the club are doing what they always do when they want their own way. It's a strategy without a doubt. hence why he did the interview at the end of last season. Pardew is a weasel and wont have the balls to conduct himself properly and that imo was the final nail in his NUFC career, since then I've been of the opinion that regardless of if Pardew is sacked or not HBA is done here probably best for all parties that he moves on, he's not going to get a look in under pardew and the higher ups don't seem to disagree with that opinion. Why would the higher ups disagree with Pardew when he accommodates their low risk profit strategy no questions asked? It's hardly an endorsement of Pardew's judgement, just a case of showing their puppet some token support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I don't think the club have treated Jonas very well either - all because they don't want to honour a contract they agreed in the first place. Whether he can still do a job for us or not, he has always been an excellent professional for the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 No more the pardew/hatem comparison bimpy I was getting at although you apply to many of the inferior players picked ahead of him technically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 He has actual tits, why should a fat player who obviously has just been eating during the off season be taken to NZ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 No more the pardew/hatem comparison bimpy I was getting at although you apply to many of the inferior players picked ahead of him technically. Not sure i understand that sentence exactly, or i'm just reading it wrong I don't have a problem with Loic not signing for us though, the fact his heart wasn't in really moving and eventually staying with us isn't a criticism of him. I am just taking the stance that Hatem, Marv and Bigi as well to lesser extents have been treated disgustingly. And i don't believe Hatem is unfit, not in the way the club is leading everyone to believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I'm not referring to Remy at all, more that pardew, lacking professionally in so many areas in a more pivotal role; has far more leeway with many fans. Both cite being put under difficult circumstances yet in the eyes of many pardew is less culpable despite running the pigging team. Madness. Completely agree with your sentiment btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I'm not referring to Remy at all, more that pardew, lacking professionally in so many areas in a more pivotal role; has far more leeway with many fans. Both cite being put under difficult circumstances yet in the eyes of many pardew is less culpable despite running the pigging team. Madness. Completely agree with your sentiment btw. Ah right i see what you mean now I always baffled by Pardew getting sympathy, when you look at him closely over the years even before he joined us. He's a throughly unlikable nasty piece of work, 'The King', blaming youngsters, Hatem/Marv/Bigi, Headbutt, 'old cunt', slagging off the area. Even if you put stuff like that aside, his teams playing boring not very good defensive football, and that's what matters most, he's a poor football manager. But i'm in ridiculous situation of hoping we do well this season, but he doesn't. Which can't really happen can it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I don't think the club have treated Jonas very well either - all because they don't want to honour a contract they agreed in the first place. Whether he can still do a job for us or not, he has always been an excellent professional for the club. When did that happen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I don't think the club have treated Jonas very well either - all because they don't want to honour a contract they agreed in the first place. Whether he can still do a job for us or not, he has always been an excellent professional for the club. When did that happen? Isn't it the appearances thing, one more or something and he gets an automatic new contract. Something along those lines i think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I don't think the club have treated Jonas very well either - all because they don't want to honour a contract they agreed in the first place. Whether he can still do a job for us or not, he has always been an excellent professional for the club. When did that happen? I think Jonas gets another year on his contract if he plays a few more games for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 He'll repeat the same mistakes he always has and we'll finish more or less in the same position because of some talent being able to help us stumble along. He'll not change anything up beyond reactionary decisions because he lacks the capacity to reflect and progress and Ashley will be happy with that. Pardew is the key to it all; a manager happy enough to rub shoulders with the big boys and grin and play sycophant but not good enough to progress you beyond where we're already at. Nowts changed bar the faces and the fact that it's not just HBA frozen out doesn't seem to matter; in some ways he's helping them fulfil their desired prophecy because he's so high profile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 People will finally get it when Cabella is dropped/benched. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Finally get what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I don't think the club have treated Jonas very well either - all because they don't want to honour a contract they agreed in the first place. Whether he can still do a job for us or not, he has always been an excellent professional for the club. Jonas got first team football 2 years longer than it was worth even having him on the bench. The club have been far too kind to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I don't think the club have treated Jonas very well either - all because they don't want to honour a contract they agreed in the first place. Whether he can still do a job for us or not, he has always been an excellent professional for the club. Jonas got first team football 2 years longer than it was worth even having him on the bench. The club have been far too kind to him. Tbf the odd game when he was forced into a central role, he was much less useless. Hasn't been able to beat a man since Keegan left though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toondave Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Less useless, but still, ultimately, a waste of space Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Gutted by all of this tbh. Probably still the most talented player on our books. He so desperately needs the SBR arm around the shoulder and some loving from our coaching staff. He is anothor ruined by Pardews heinous and by now legendary "man management" skills. He obviously hasn't helped himself either at times. Aligning himself with fans and pandering to them will only last so long too. If he really values the fans and the club he will get his head down or move on. That being said I think its far too late and for all we know he has done this multiple times with Pardew still treating him with contempt. Hard to tell without real inside information. If we are to believe the noises coming out of the club and its not just PR spin, Ben Arfa is unpopular with the playing staff too. That tells its own story if so. Feels like the Bellamy/Souness debacle all over again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I don't think the club have treated Jonas very well either - all because they don't want to honour a contract they agreed in the first place. Whether he can still do a job for us or not, he has always been an excellent professional for the club. Jonas got first team football 2 years longer than it was worth even having him on the bench. The club have been far too kind to him. Tbf the odd game when he was forced into a central role, he was much less useless. Hasn't been able to beat a man since Keegan left though. After losing his pace Jonas was best suited moving to the middle. Still think he could have done a job for us there tbh. We will never know. He was absolutely a Pardew favourite, couldn't get him out of the team when he was playing badly. Then dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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