Mistle17 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Ben Arfa started 3 times under Chris Hughton. That name really shouldn't be consistently appearing in this thread. You also have to take into account Ben Arfa's injury (which was sustained whilst starting). I think it is fair to say that he valued Hatem a whole lot more than Pardew, as his approach/view on the game is definitely different to Pardew's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Both are negative coaches totally out of their depth in modern football management. Neither would have been hired by any club with self respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 The point you made about him playing Smith simply isn't true like. Once Tiote was in that was it. I dunno why you have such a hard on for disliking Hughton. I remember you being a lot more vocal about your dislike for him than you were of Pardew as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Both are negative coaches totally out of their depth in modern football management. Neither would have been hired by any club with self respect. I know what you're saying like, but you make it sound like most football clubs are managed by visionary football philosophers or something. I would say Pardew and Bruce (although IMO Bruce is significantly better) are more the norm than the exception. Many clubs 'with self respect' would probably employ them or their like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 The point you made about him playing Smith simply isn't true like. Once Tiote was in that was it. I dunno why you have such a hard on for disliking Hughton. I remember you being a lot more vocal about your dislike for him than you were of Pardew as well. He started with Alan Smith for the first 4 PL games back and most of the games in the Championship, but whatev. I think they're both poor managers but as people I despise Pardew and like Hughton. It was 4 years ago but I'm pretty sure I wasn't in favour of Hughton's sacking either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 The point you made about him playing Smith simply isn't true like. Once Tiote was in that was it. I dunno why you have such a hard on for disliking Hughton. I remember you being a lot more vocal about your dislike for him than you were of Pardew as well. He started with Alan Smith for the first 4 PL games back and most of the games in the Championship, but whatev. I think they're both poor managers but as people I despise Pardew and like Hughton. It was 4 years ago but I'm pretty sure I wasn't in favour of Hughton's sacking either. You regularly called him a coward mind. He did play Smith in the Championship, then again, who else was there? And despite playing shit stuff, won matches. Could be wrong, but as I remember it, we signed Routledge, Guthrie moved into the middle and we looked a million times better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eveready Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30540019 BBC Hatem Ben Arfa: Hull defender to end season-long loan deal early Hull manager Steve Bruce says midfielder Hatem Ben Arfa has played his last game for the club. Ben Arfa, 27, missed the side's 2-0 defeat by Chelsea on Saturday, with City set to terminate his season-long loan from Newcastle early when the option comes up in January. Bruce said: "Sometimes transfers don't work, especially with a loan deal." Meanwhile, Newcastle boss Alan Pardew has said Ben Arfa will not be returning to St James' Park. Hatem Ben Arfa Made his professional debut with Lyon in 2004, clocking up 64 appearances and seven goals before leaving to join Marseille in 2008. Two years later, he joined Newcastle, scoring 13 times in 76 appearances. He went out on loan to Hull in September, but has been told by Hull and Newcastle that he will not be required from January onwards. When asked about Ben Arfa's future at Newcastle, Pardew said: "He won't be coming back here, that's all I can say." Ben Arfa has played just nine times for Hull since joining the club in September and Bruce said the relationship between the club and player had run its course. "I'm disappointed more than anything," Bruce told BBC Radio Humberside. "We brought him in on a wave of publicity and there has been no fall-out or slanging match. "His views of the game are different to mine. At any club you need to have a certain work ethic to get in the team. That's the frustrating thing. "I hope Hatem takes in what I've had to say to him because his talent is there for all to see. But talent without hard work means you won't live up to your potential. "Unfortunately, to play for me you have to know you are playing for the team. To be a great you have to be a team player." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Hell of a start there, beeb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 So stupid that Pardew has ruled out taking him back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 If Ginola was picked for the team based on his attitude in training he'd never of played a game for anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 If Ginola was picked for the team based on his attitude in training he'd never of played a game for anyone. Steve howey was on total sport the other night saying ginola worked hard in training. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 If Ginola was picked for the team based on his attitude in training he'd never of played a game for anyone. Steve howey was on total sport the other night saying ginola worked hard in training. Well either Rob Lee or Howey is spouting shit then. I wonder which. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Well Rob Lee is Jack Colback with goals so you can trust him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 http://i.imgur.com/CrwOHD7.png Easiest job in the world /dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 The biggest waste of talent in french football history. What a fucking shame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 The biggest waste of talent in french football history. What a fucking shame Not but related but what a fucking shame that Laurent Robert and David Ginola only have 26 French caps between them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 The biggest waste of talent in french football history. What a fucking shame Not but related but what a fucking shame that Laurent Robert and David Ginola only have 26 French caps between them. Because they are overrated by us probably? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Probably not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Probably not. Well if it makes u feel better- underrated by the french Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Well yes, that was my point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 The biggest waste of talent in french football history. What a f***ing shame Not but related but what a f***ing shame that Laurent Robert and David Ginola only have 26 French caps between them. Ginola was scapegoated by the entire country after France defeat against Bulgaria for the WC in USA. Also, his bad relationship with Cantona didn't help him to play more regularly with the national team. Agree with you, Ginola didn't have the international career his immense talent deserved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 All Ben Arfa wants to do is play good attacking football, roaming around in attack waiting for the ball so he can run at people and score amazing goals. The difference in talent between him and Gouffran is World's apart,but because Gouffran defends (albeit poorly) he's deemed as the better footballer. Unbelievable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Probably not. Well if it makes u feel better- underrated by the french Robert yes. Not Ginola. Cantona didn't want to play with him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Never have I seen a player present the illusion of graft more than Gouffran, like. Jonas was useless and didn't do much defensively either towards the end, but at times he was useful, and was genuinely good at providing defensive cover up until 2012. Gouffran just looks like he does it, but he doesn't, at all. He's an empty suit of a player pretty much all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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