Kaizero Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 And you got that from your mother's friend's butcher's auntie's bit on the side who sells pies there? Claude Puel is Leicester’s manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footsoldier Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Wasn't that last year and it never happened? He's the wrong side of 30now so we'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Wasn't that last year and it never happened? He's the wrong side of 30now so we'll see. They didn't sell Mahrez and PSG still wanted money. He's on a free now. 2+2=4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footsoldier Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Aye I've been fooled by that 2+2 = 4 more than once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 2+2 is always 4 mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Is enjoyment a return? Are dreams? What price joy, Footsoldier, what price freedom? I want players who are good consistently, not brilliant one game in 10 if you are lucky. I would've loved him to be a top player but he wasn't. No work ethic unfortunately. Forgetting other clubs BUT for us he was brilliant far more than just 1 in 10. He had a good goals+assists ratio too so there was an end product, wasn't just lush viewing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Yeah, one game in ten is bollocks. When given a run in the side he was consistently one of our best players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Yeah, one game in ten is bollocks. When given a run in the side he was consistently one of our best players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Yeah, one game in ten is bollocks. When given a run in the side he was consistently one of our best players. Definitely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 It's complete revisionism and considering it was only a few years ago it's pretty impressive that your view could be that warped. He was consistently streets ahead of anyone else on the pitch. He would literally have a 'bad' 45 minutes and be dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 It was always a bit telling that the people who hated Ben Afra were the same people who saw Pardew through to the very end too like (Ian excluded). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 It was always a bit telling that the people who hated Ben Afra were the same people who saw Pardew through to the very end too like (Ian excluded). How many people actually 'hated' him though? Most of his critics, self included, would have loved to have seen him fulfil his talent, and felt very exasperated when it didn't happen. The difference is whether you see the problem as being with Ben Arfa, or with the various managers that he's fallen out with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 It was always a bit telling that the people who hated Ben Afra were the same people who saw Pardew through to the very end too like (Ian excluded). How many people actually 'hated' him though? Most of his critics, self included, would have loved to have seen him fulfil his talent, and felt very exasperated when it didn't happen. The difference is whether you see the problem as being with Ben Arfa, or with the various managers that he's fallen out with. Do you think Ben Arfa was more to 'blame' for how his Newcastle career went or Pardew? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Same people who didn't like Ben Arfa are mainly the same people who didn't like Robert because he was lazy I've found. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Same people who didn't like Ben Arfa are mainly the same people who didn't like Robert because he was lazy I've found. Not really. Many don't mind a player not tracking back etc if he's good enough when we have the ball, Robert and Ginola fit this. It's always pissed me off when anyone questioned Ben Arfa's work it's his defensive work that's always brought up, his work rate when WE had the ball was the problem as he just didn't give a shit unless the ball was in his immediate vacinity and too often he'd take on and beat 3 players only to run the ball out or leave too tight an angle to get an effective ball in to get away with it. As a fan I loved watching his skill but I can see why not many managers wanted him and why his career has went as it has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 It was always a bit telling that the people who hated Ben Afra were the same people who saw Pardew through to the very end too like (Ian excluded). How many people actually 'hated' him though? Most of his critics, self included, would have loved to have seen him fulfil his talent, and felt very exasperated when it didn't happen. The difference is whether you see the problem as being with Ben Arfa, or with the various managers that he's fallen out with. The problem is obviously with Ben Arfa, which still doesn't excuse Pardew of the ridiculous way he utilised him on a match day. He was easily our best player and when he played regularly he won us games. He was dropped for Ryan Taylor, Shola Ameobi, and Cisse on the wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Same people who didn't like Ben Arfa are mainly the same people who didn't like Robert because he was lazy I've found. Not really. Many don't mind a player not tracking back etc if he's good enough when we have the ball, Robert and Ginola fit this. It's always pissed me off when anyone questioned Ben Arfa's work it's his defensive work that's always brought up, his work rate when WE had the ball was the problem as he just didn't give a shit unless the ball was in his immediate vacinity and too often he'd take on and beat 3 players only to run the ball out or leave too tight an angle to get an effective ball in to get away with it. As a fan I loved watching his skill but I can see why not many managers wanted him and why his career has went as it has. But this was highly effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Same people who didn't like Ben Arfa are mainly the same people who didn't like Robert because he was lazy I've found. Not really. Many don't mind a player not tracking back etc if he's good enough when we have the ball, Robert and Ginola fit this. It's always pissed me off when anyone questioned Ben Arfa's work it's his defensive work that's always brought up, his work rate when WE had the ball was the problem as he just didn't give a shit unless the ball was in his immediate vacinity and too often he'd take on and beat 3 players only to run the ball out or leave too tight an angle to get an effective ball in to get away with it. As a fan I loved watching his skill but I can see why not many managers wanted him and why his career has went as it has. But this was highly effective. I disagree and would say if it was as effective as you think his career wouldn't have panned out as it has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 The 1 on 10 thing is just a lie that people who didn't like him repeated until they believed it. HBA either scored or assisted in 1 in 3.5 games for us, which 1. was by far the highest rate we had from anyone in our squad when he left, including the likes of Sissoko and Gouffran who played consistently, 2. Was miles ahead of the likes of Ryan Taylor, Obertan, SAmeobi, etc who played ahead of him, and 3. was around equal with Juan Mata at the time, who went on to be sold to Man United for daft money despite being viewed as a defensive liability. I can dig up the stats for anyone who still insists it was 1 in 10, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Same people who didn't like Ben Arfa are mainly the same people who didn't like Robert because he was lazy I've found. Not really. Many don't mind a player not tracking back etc if he's good enough when we have the ball, Robert and Ginola fit this. It's always pissed me off when anyone questioned Ben Arfa's work it's his defensive work that's always brought up, his work rate when WE had the ball was the problem as he just didn't give a shit unless the ball was in his immediate vacinity and too often he'd take on and beat 3 players only to run the ball out or leave too tight an angle to get an effective ball in to get away with it. As a fan I loved watching his skill but I can see why not many managers wanted him and why his career has went as it has. But this was highly effective. I disagree and would say if it was as effective as you think his career wouldn't have panned out as it has. You can disagree, but it's still wrong purely because he WAS highly effective. He was by far the most effective player in our squad and the goals, assists, and match winning goals back that up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Same people who didn't like Ben Arfa are mainly the same people who didn't like Robert because he was lazy I've found. Not really. Many don't mind a player not tracking back etc if he's good enough when we have the ball, Robert and Ginola fit this. It's always pissed me off when anyone questioned Ben Arfa's work it's his defensive work that's always brought up, his work rate when WE had the ball was the problem as he just didn't give a shit unless the ball was in his immediate vacinity and too often he'd take on and beat 3 players only to run the ball out or leave too tight an angle to get an effective ball in to get away with it. As a fan I loved watching his skill but I can see why not many managers wanted him and why his career has went as it has. But this was highly effective. I disagree and would say if it was as effective as you think his career wouldn't have panned out as it has. You can disagree, but it's still wrong purely because he WAS highly effective. He was by far the most effective player in our squad and the goals, assists, and match winning goals back that up. That good and never got a sniff at the bigger clubs. Wonder why that was ? Blame Pardew all you want and he does shoulder a fair bit, but Ben Arfa wasn't blameless and his career bares that out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 pardew's scapegoat. hba had a decent run of performances on the right - got switched to the left and had a bad 45 minutes.... and that was it. this was also at a time where he was nowhere near the worst and the least hard-working player on the pitch. this bloke was expected to win games on his own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Same people who didn't like Ben Arfa are mainly the same people who didn't like Robert because he was lazy I've found. Not really. Many don't mind a player not tracking back etc if he's good enough when we have the ball, Robert and Ginola fit this. It's always pissed me off when anyone questioned Ben Arfa's work it's his defensive work that's always brought up, his work rate when WE had the ball was the problem as he just didn't give a shit unless the ball was in his immediate vacinity and too often he'd take on and beat 3 players only to run the ball out or leave too tight an angle to get an effective ball in to get away with it. As a fan I loved watching his skill but I can see why not many managers wanted him and why his career has went as it has. But this was highly effective. I disagree and would say if it was as effective as you think his career wouldn't have panned out as it has. You can disagree, but it's still wrong purely because he WAS highly effective. He was by far the most effective player in our squad and the goals, assists, and match winning goals back that up. That good and never got a sniff at the bigger clubs. Wonder why that was ? Blame Pardew all you want and he does shoulder a fair bit, but Ben Arfa wasn't blameless and his career bares that out. That's a completely different point to the one you originally made. And also based on a strawman argument I never made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 It's always the same Ben Arfa wasn't that effective/was a 1 in 10 player. You're wrong, here's why. Oh aye, couldn't get a game at (Title winning, Champions League challenging, world's richest club) PSG though could he!? Can't be as good as you say! (i.e. Better than everyone else in our squad) Can't blame Pardew for everything! ( i.e. Playing Ryan Taylor, SAmeobi, Obertan etc ahead of the best player in our squad) Completely ignoring the much more comparable Nice, where he ripped it up. The arguments are just daft. Everyone knows he's a knacker. Him being a knacker at PSG is completely different to him being a knacker at Nice or Newcastle. Therefore yes, Pardew is to blame for choosing far, far worse players ahead of him and effectively hamstringing the team regardless of ability and output. I've said it a million times, but it sums it up that Ben Arfa was MOTM against Stoke - hit the woodwork twice, won a penalty, assisted in a 5-1 demolition and Pardew dropped him for the next match. I'm sure Ben Arfa's partly responsible though. :eyeroll: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 I thought he still deserved to play and didn't do much wrong on the pitch, but he didn't appear to look after himself too well off it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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