2014 FIFA World Cup Brasil™ - Germany win again

[triggs]

Is this the biggest ever result in football in modern times? Not in terms of the score but in terms of surprise and in terms of how important the game itself was

[Kanj]

Second question, do PSG (Blanc) reconsider ever letting David Luiz lead the back line if Thiago is out?

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

I think most people expected Germany to win - but nobody expected Brasil to bottle it to that extent.

[Flip]

I was just shocked by the lack of shape, discipline, or tactics/adjustments by Brazil. Nothing was working, and there didn't seem a bit of clue how to get out of it. Soon as it went 1-0 down and the quick 2-0 it was curtains. Felt like watching Newcastle play, the defeated before they enter the pitch type meltdown.

 

I feel for Flip, I also feel for Brazil, I feel for myself having to not get a chance to enjoy a top football match. I also respect the f*** out of Germany for their ability to punish Brazil on every mistake they made in those 6 minutes. Whether it was a a Brazil lay-down or a German execution story is really up for debate -- what I saw last night was just an awful football match in terms of neutral, a master class of execution (many times you see teams not capitalize in those positions) by the Germans, and a poor showing and embarrassment by Brazil and their entire 23 not named Neymar last night.

 

Although Thiago Silva saved face by casually being suspended for this game. Probably knew what was going to happen.

 

Aye, forgot about Thiago - does David Luiz rely on him to organize?

 

Possibly, I don't think the game yesterday has any bearing on the qualities of the players individually, David Luiz has been excellent the whole tournament until last night. Yesterday was a freak accident. Germany would've problably won anyways, but the result is just freakish.

[Flip]

Second question, do PSG (Blanc) reconsider ever letting David Luiz lead the back line if Thiago is out?

 

Of course, why not, we've played before with him without Thiago and done good. Was all a freak accident.

[Zero]

Different perspective I would say.  What I observed was Germany was inviting Brazil to attack in order to make more effective counters.  That was Germany's tactic, and it worked --- Brazil seemed to have the control, but it was Germany which apparently had higher chance to score.

 

To be fair, Felipao, it was a no match.  It is not a shame to accept the fact that Germany outclassed Brazil in nearly EVERY position. 

[Unbelievable]

Thiago was a huge miss like, arguably more so than Neymar. I read that zonalmarking analysis and I think they got it spot on. Brazil's lack of pace allowed Germany to defend high up the pitch and saturate the midfield. Brazil on the other hand had 3 out of 4 defenders (Luiz, Maicon and Marcelo) who were more interested in going forward than in keeping it thight at the back. The Brazilians lost possession in midfield under pressure and were easily picked off on the counter as the Brazil full backs had left their stations (Marcelo being the main culprit). Scolari wants shot for not making a change or reorganising the defence until half time too.

[Flip]

Different perspective I would say.  What I observed was Germany was inviting Brazil to attack in order to make more effective counters.  That was Germany's tactic, and it worked --- Brazil seemed to have the control, but it was Germany which apparently had higher chance to score.

 

To be fair, Felipao, it was a no match.  It is not a shame to accept the fact that Germany outclassed Brazil in nearly EVERY position. 

 

They DID outclass us and they WERE better than us at EVERY position. The stadium stood up and applauded the far superior team last night, it's not like we as fans applaud anyone when we get beaten. We got beaten and beaten well and deservedly. We've not been good, I just hope the team shows what they're capable of on saturday without any pressure.

 

Thiago was a huge miss like, arguably more so than Neymar. I read that zonalmarking analysis and I think they got it spot on. Brazil's lack of pace allowed Germany to defend high up the pitch and saturate the midfield. Brazil on the other hand had 3 out of 4 defenders (Luiz, Maicon and Marcelo) who were more interested in going forward than in keeping it thight at the back. The Brazilians lost possession in midfield under pressure and were easily picked off on the counter as the Brazil full backs had left their stations (Marcelo being the main culprit). Scolari wants shot for not making a change or reorganising the defence until half time too.

 

I agree, but what can you do when you're down 5-0? Organize the defence? We played better than them early in the second half again when he put 3 central midfielders and they were unable to pass the ball as much. I had a Newcastle - Arsenal feeling for the first 10 minutes as we created two or three dangerous chances, but it was never our day and the better and probably best team in this WC beat us deservedly.

[Unbelievable]

Second question, do PSG (Blanc) reconsider ever letting David Luiz lead the back line if Thiago is out?

 

Of course, why not, we've played before with him without Thiago and done good. Was all a freak accident.

 

If that's what your football association think there is no chance you will win the 2018 World Cup, no chance. There was nothing accidental about it I'm afraid. It was a tactical shambles of the highest order.

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

gegenpressing yo!

[Guest n4e]

Pornhub pleads with users to stop uploading videos of Brazil 'getting f**ked by Germany' in the World Cup

 

In the world's continuing mission to completely humiliate Brazil in the wake of its 7-1 World Cup semi-final defeat to Germany, adult site Pornhub has allegedly been flooded with highlights of the game.

 

Footage of the goals bearing the title 'Young Brazilians get f**ked by entire German soccer team' (and other more explicit variants) quickly sprang up following the game (at least according to hundreds of screen grabs on Twiter), with the site eventually asking football fans to cease with the gag while getting a swipe in at Brazil itself.

 

"Please stop uploading the game highlights to Pornhub... Our public humiliation category is full. #BrazilvsGermany," Pornhub wrote.

[Unbelievable]

Different perspective I would say.  What I observed was Germany was inviting Brazil to attack in order to make more effective counters.  That was Germany's tactic, and it worked --- Brazil seemed to have the control, but it was Germany which apparently had higher chance to score.

 

To be fair, Felipao, it was a no match.  It is not a shame to accept the fact that Germany outclassed Brazil in nearly EVERY position. 

 

They DID outclass us and they WERE better than us at EVERY position. The stadium stood up and applauded the far superior team last night, it's not like we as fans applaud anyone when we get beaten. We got beaten and beaten well and deservedly. We've not been good, I just hope the team shows what they're capable of on saturday without any pressure.

 

Thiago was a huge miss like, arguably more so than Neymar. I read that zonalmarking analysis and I think they got it spot on. Brazil's lack of pace allowed Germany to defend high up the pitch and saturate the midfield. Brazil on the other hand had 3 out of 4 defenders (Luiz, Maicon and Marcelo) who were more interested in going forward than in keeping it thight at the back. The Brazilians lost possession in midfield under pressure and were easily picked off on the counter as the Brazil full backs had left their stations (Marcelo being the main culprit). Scolari wants shot for not making a change or reorganising the defence until half time too.

 

I agree, but what can you do when you're down 5-0? Organize the defence? We played better than them early in the second half again when he put 3 central midfielders and they were unable to pass the ball as much. I had a Newcastle - Arsenal feeling for the first 10 minutes as we created two or three dangerous chances, but it was never our day and the better and probably best team in this WC beat us deservedly.

 

After the first 10-15 minutes it should have been clear to anybody with eyes that Germany were raping you down the left. Why Scolari just sat there and didn't tell Marcelo to stay back and Gustavo to help him out more on that side before that crazy 6 minute spell I will never know. Quite interested what the general consensus in Brazil is about Scolari's tactics yesterday evening. I'm flabbergasted he hasn't handed in his resignation tbh.

[Zero]

No, Felipao, you get it wrong.  What I mean is the quality of players, not their performance.  Even with Thiago Silva and Neymar, the statement still stands - Germany is much, much stronger than Brazil.  Brazil has no more playmaker once Neymar's done, while Germany is putting a 35m rated Gotze firmly on the bench.

 

Looking back, the only way for Brazil to win was to do a "Mourinho Bus".  My question, or my point is, would you, a die hard supporter for the Yellow, accept such tactic on your home ground? 

 

Scolari "got it super wrong" by trying to overpower Germany purely by emotion and home pressure and was spectacularly backfired.  The sad thing is probably he has no choice because no one can accept Brazil to play anti-football, which I think is the only way for Brazil to win last night.

[Kanj]

I don't think you come back from that drubbing man, you can't .... unless you're the king.

[Flip]

Then again you're flabbergasted by anyone that isn't van Gaal. Scolari admitted he was wrong, we all know what went wrong, but 4 goals in 6minutes in a World Cup semi-final is always a freak accident. It was a 6minute blackout, collapse, whatever you want to call it. We could've been down by one or two and then fought us back, but the players seemed confused on the pitch, nothing was going their way and Germany just kept pounding us as we were trying to understand what was actually happening.

 

gegenpressing yo!

 

 

I wonder what happened to our intensity from the Confed, apart from 10-15minutes against Chile and Colombia we haven't actually played with intensity in this tournament which made us beat the team last year in the Confed...

[Zero]

Second question, do PSG (Blanc) reconsider ever letting David Luiz lead the back line if Thiago is out?

 

Of course, why not, we've played before with him without Thiago and done good. Was all a freak accident.

 

If that's what your football association think there is no chance you will win the 2018 World Cup, no chance. There was nothing accidental about it I'm afraid. It was a tactical shambles of the highest order.

 

I think what Felipao means was the "Luiz Explosion" was a freak accident, not the result.

 

That said, whether David Luiz is a good defender is extremely controversial already.

[Unbelievable]

No, Felipao, you get it wrong.  What I mean is the quality of players, not their performance.  Even with Thiago Silva and Neymar, the statement still stands - Germany is much, much stronger than Brazil.  Brazil has no more playmaker once Neymar's done, while Germany is putting a 35m rated Gotze firmly on the bench.

 

Looking back, the only way for Brazil to win was to do a "Mourinho Bus".  My question, or my point is, would you, a die hard supporter for the Yellow, accept such tactic on your home ground? 

 

Scolari "got it super wrong" by trying to overpower Germany purely by emotion and home pressure and was spectacularly backfired.  The sad thing is probably he has no choice because no one can accept Brazil to play anti-football, which I think is the only way for Brazil to win last night.

 

I disagree that Brazil's squad wasn't good enough to win this World Cup. Up there with the best imho in terms of individual players' quality, and certainly much better than ours.

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

I think without a little bit of help from the refs alarm bells should have been ringing for Brasil a lot sooner in the tournament. There was a reason you could get Brasil 4/1 for the match against Germany and I would deep those odds too short. I don't think Neymar & T.Silva would have made that much difference - I still think Germany would have won it by 3. There's a gap in ability, a huge gap in tactical advancement but most of all I think the Germans had an almost machine like mindfulness - casually stroking balls across the box in a world cup semi final for f***s sake.

[Flip]

No, Felipao, you get it wrong.  What I mean is the quality of players, not their performance.  Even with Thiago Silva and Neymar, the statement still stands - Germany is much, much stronger than Brazil.  Brazil has no more playmaker once Neymar's done, while Germany is putting a 35m rated Gotze firmly on the bench.

 

Looking back, the only way for Brazil to win was to do a "Mourinho Bus".  My question, or my point is, would you, a die hard supporter for the Yellow, accept such tactic on your home ground? 

 

Scolari "got it super wrong" by trying to overpower Germany purely by emotion and home pressure and was spectacularly backfired.  The sad thing is probably he has no choice because no one can accept Brazil to play anti-football, which I think is the only way for Brazil to win last night.

 

Ah fair enough, yeah they're a better team on paper but not becasue they left £35m Götze on the bench, I mean we left £30m Willian on the bench. They're just a much better team that has played competitive football together for 6 years or so now, while we have been stuck with friendlies.

 

 

[Froggy]

If it's level near the end of extra time and Van Gaal has a sub left do we think he's going for Krul again?

 

I do think it's going to penalties as well. 1-1 in normal time.

[Unbelievable]

If it's level near the end of extra time and Van Gaal has a sub left do we think he's going for Krul again?

 

I do think it's going to penalties as well. 1-1 in normal time.

 

He's already said so.

[Flip]

I think without a little bit of help from the refs alarm bells should have been ringing for Brasil a lot sooner in the tournament. There was a reason you could get Brasil 4/1 for the match against Germany and I would deep those odds too short. I don't think Neymar & T.Silva would have made that much difference - I still think Germany would have won it by 3. There's a gap in ability, a huge gap in tactical advancement but most of all I think the Germans had an almost machine like mindfulness - casually stroking balls across the box in a world cup semi final for f***s sake.

 

Possibly, but let's not forget Barcelona got shell-shocked by Bayern over two legs and then Bayern got the same treatment by Real Madrid. People are trying to analyse a game that is quite impossible to understand. It just happens, this is what makes football, football. Horrible feeling to be Brazilian, but at the same time I'm proud to say that at least the stadium and the attitude towards the German team and German fans was excellent yesterday. People congratulating them and they being able to walk around safely after a loss, something you probably wouldn't even see in a league game in many places around the world.

[triggs]

Khedira was absolutely outstanding last night

[Flip]

Khedira was absolutely outstanding last night

 

He was, but so was the whole team, even Özil had a very good game until his missed one on one.

[Pata]

I think without a little bit of help from the refs alarm bells should have been ringing for Brasil a lot sooner in the tournament. There was a reason you could get Brasil 4/1 for the match against Germany and I would deep those odds too short. I don't think Neymar & T.Silva would have made that much difference - I still think Germany would have won it by 3. There's a gap in ability, a huge gap in tactical advancement but most of all I think the Germans had an almost machine like mindfulness - casually stroking balls across the box in a world cup semi final for f***s sake.

 

 

You must have made a fortune.