James Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 "everything has a price and everything is for sale" despite this only Carroll, Debuchy and Cabaye were chosen to be sold The only players we've sold (for money) under Pardew were Carroll, Nolan, Routledge, Enrique, Best, Forster, Ba, Perch, Cabaye and Debuchy. Also Lua-Lua, Amalfitano and Tavernier but for pennies. Nowhere near as bad as Pardew would have us believe. If you look at the non-fringe list of those we sold, Nolan, Enrique, Debuchy were all replaced by equal or superior players (Cabaye, Santon, Janmaat) during the same transfer window. Ba and Carroll were also adequately replaced in subsequent windows with Remy and Ba. You could also argue that Perez could be better than Remy so that is Remy replaced too. So that leaves only Cabaye and to be honest Pardew got Colback instead who is who he wanted. We even replaced Ben Arfa with Cabella if you consider HBA was surplus to requirements. So the only good player we haven't adequately replaced is MYM and Pardew thought he was shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 "everything has a price and everything is for sale" despite this only Carroll, Debuchy and Cabaye were chosen to be sold The only players we've sold (for money) under Pardew were Carroll, Nolan, Routledge, Enrique, Best, Forster, Ba, Perch, Cabaye and Debuchy. Also Lua-Lua, Amalfitano and Tavernier but for pennies. Nowhere near as bad as Pardew would have us believe. If you look at the non-fringe list of those we sold, Nolan, Enrique, Debuchy were all replaced by equal or superior players (Cabaye, Santon, Janmaat) during the same transfer window. Ba and Carroll were also adequately replaced in subsequent windows with Remy and Ba. You could also argue that Perez could be better than Remy so that is Remy replaced too. So that leaves only Cabaye and to be honest Pardew got Colback instead who is who he wanted. We even replaced Ben Arfa with Cabella if you consider HBA was surplus to requirements. So the only good player we haven't adequately replaced is MYM and Pardew thought he was shite. There's also De Jong, Ferreyra and Riviere. 2 of them haven't worked out but they still might under a manager who is a human being. Though it could be argued the 2 strikers have replaced Shola and L. De Jong very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 James post is up there for worst of the year. Ba replaced Ba? Santon as good as Enrique? Perez as is - good as Remy. Because Pardew likes Colback its okay that you think he's Cabaye's replacement? Jesus wept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Ba replaced Carroll. Remy replaced Ba. But yeh it's a stretch on Cabaye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 James post is up there for worst of the year. Ba replaced Ba? Santon as good as Enrique? Perez as is - good as Remy. Because Pardew likes Colback its okay that you think he's Cabaye's replacement? Jesus wept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 The only gripe and excuse Pardew can have is that we're constantly playing catchup from window to window because the club wants to operate on the cheap (e.g. Ba being signed the summer after Carroll and Cisse basically a year later). But that wears thin after a while and any decent manager should be able to change things to find a system that fits the players that are left (without 'going back to basics' and then proceeding to lose every game). Even the mildly detestable Brendan Rodgers has found something that seems to be working, however many weird formations it's taken to get there. Pardew is just a bang average manager who plays shit football and is constantly up his own arse depsite having no achievements whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 James post is up there for worst of the year. Ba replaced Ba? Santon as good as Enrique? Perez as is - good as Remy. Because Pardew likes Colback its okay that you think he's Cabaye's replacement? Jesus wept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 No way was Ba meant to replace Carroll. I'm certain Cisse signed a whole year after Carroll left was meant to be his replacement. Ba was initially meant to be a stop-gap but he over delivered. If he was meant to be a Carroll replacement he wouldn't have that low release fee. Ba was meant to be replaced by Remy that same window. We didn't sign him in the end and when we did - it was just stop gap for a season. Santon's never been as good for us as Enrique was. Not close. We've been fortunate this season that Colback and especially Perez are better than expected. We've effectively replaced a French International striker with a French Walters and pulled it off because the lad from Segunda B looks a top talent. For my money De Jong was meant to be replace Cabaye's goals last season. Can't compare Liverpool to us man. They've sold - at the most - 2 players against their will in 5 years. We've sold 5 or 6. They're constantly building, we are constantly re-building. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Mozy's last line is correct though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 James post is up there for worst of the year. Ba replaced Ba? Santon as good as Enrique? Perez as is - good as Remy. Because Pardew likes Colback its okay that you think he's Cabaye's replacement? Jesus wept. It was a comment against the pro-pardew comments that players weren't replaced. Regardless on what we think, pardew hand picked Colback to replace Cabaye. So Pardew can not say he wasn't allowed to replace Cabaye, because he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I use Liverpool as an example because they are in exactly the same position we have been after losing Carroll, Ba, Cabaye. The only difference is for some reason Pardew's main tactic is to make one man the focal point of the entire team and then predictably it goes to shit when that player isn't there. That just shows a basic ability to recognise the obvious over who your best player is. But anyway, Rodgers has had to mess around with personnel and formations to try and find something that fits with his new players. That's what good managers do, they have good plan B's, C's, D's etc. What they don't do is elevate every clogger in the squad onto a pedestel and give them undroppable status. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 They've sold 1 player they didn't want to over the last 4 years. They have a negative net spend by 10's of millions - it's a team with significant investment. And they're 6 places down from last season. 4 down from their objective position. They've looked better in recent weeks but it's a poor example. Rodgers is better than Pardew - that is true. Colback/Pardew - If Colback would have cost any money he wouldn't be here. Pardew "hand picked" a free transfer. It's just a disgusting bias that the man can do nothing positive. If it's negative, it's his fault. If it's positive, it's luck or someone else virtue. If it where up to Pardew - he wouldn't sell Cabaye for 20m and replace him with a free transfer. The idiocy from some here makes me sound like I'm fond of Pardew. Overall he was disappointing for the fans and average at best from a senior leadership position. But when we act as if he's Carver, we'll end up looking stupid if he does some positive things at Palace - which he's very capable of doing as he did some decent work here at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Stahp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 There isn't really a conscious decision to 'replace' anyone, because that notion services the idea that the players are signed with the primary focus of playing football for NUFC. That isn't the case and we know that; we know why they're really here: to generate income. Every player is an expendable asset and we fill the roster up as and when we need to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 You think this thread can't get any worse, then it does so good coming back in here these days, i just don't care anymore see he's signed sanogo on loan, is he a big useless lump of shit to fill the shola-shaped hole in alan's life? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 There isn't really a conscious decision to 'replace' anyone, because that notion services the idea that the players are signed with the primary focus of playing football for NUFC. That isn't the case and we know that; we know why they're really here: to generate income. Every player is an expendable asset and we fill the roster up as and when we need to. Yep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Liverpool have sold one key player but the premise is the same in that they only sold one player but it was their best player and heartbeat of the side, both excuses that Pardew used. It's a myth that we haven't signed players, numbers wise that's been proved in this very thread. Ultimately, if he had any shred of contempt about the transfer sitauation then he would have said it in public. He's a negative, bullshitting cunt who preaches prehistoric football that's generally just about good enough to stay in the division. If that can be called good or positive by some then so be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I really miss him already, great manager just misunderstood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Cabaye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 After Jose Enrique. Makes sense. The buffoon is incapable of identifying his own targets, still using our scouting system to do the work for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Liverpool have sold one key player but the premise is the same in that they only sold one player but it was their best player and heartbeat of the side, both excuses that Pardew used. It's a myth that we haven't signed players, numbers wise that's been proved in this very thread. Ultimately, if he had any shred of contempt about the transfer sitauation then he would have said it in public. He's a negative, bullshitting c*** who preaches prehistoric football that's generally just about good enough to stay in the division. If that can be called good or positive by some then so be it. They're 5 places down from last season. Their a crap example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 They're Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Gino14 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 What I'm seeing in this thread are just more reasons that Pardew is an absolute stain on the history of this Football club. He's talked us down in the media so much that everyone believes he has had nothing to work with. You'd believe from the media he has no players, we don't replace anyone and we lack the squad to achieve even a mid table finish. That couldn't be further from the truth. The reality is that we don't replace people quickly enough and we are relatively tight with our money considering the wealth of the owner. However, in relation to our sales and the way we operate, we're still a good club to manage in comparison with a lot of clubs that get lauded at the moment. Everyone is busy praising Swansea, but they sell Bony without a second thought. Yes they have Gomis already, but he won't replace Bony adequately in the end. They appointed a no experience coach from within as well. Monk has done alright, but that wasn't a sure thing. If they go out and spend all that 28m I'll stand corrected, but they're on a standard self sufficient business model as well. Not a better club to manage than Newcastle, yet have attracted good managers for years. They have more ambition than us relative to wealth but not more overall ambition. The same can be said for Southampton. They sell half their team, get tipped for relegation and yet attract Koeman. They've spent to replace, but considering they got about 100m in and spent about 40m, it doesn't scream mass ambition. They've perhaps got their scouting right, or been a bit fortunate and have had a lot of the new players do well. Those players will be sold in a heart beat again though should a big club come in. Again, more ambitious than us relative to wealth, but really with a main ambition of trying to do okay relative to their means. There's a lot of faults with the club like the cup policy and the Europa policy. In terms of squad, what we're likely to achieve with a good coach and everything else though, we're not actually a bad prospect to take on and manage, especially with the attraction of a good size club in the premier league. There's a talented squad here with potential and we shouldn't be struggling and playing awful Pardew style Football. There's a real chance for a good coach to do something here and make a name. Pardew has literally persuaded people that because we've had the likes of him, it's the best we can do, whereas people see Swansea and Southampton as attractive because they try and get good managers in consistently. The only thing Pardew is a master of is negativity and draining a club of its very life force. Our owner is a dick like a lot of owners, but we're still a good job if we just try for a good manager. Pardew has talked us down so his mates in the media lap it up. If you listen to them you'd believe we're a much worse job than many in the league. It simply isn't the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning_Linguist Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 To be honest, I don't know why this thread isn't just locked and we forget about this cupid stunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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