nufc4eva Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 "Edwards is banned from St James Park and quite rightly so" nah "there were NOT thousands of Pardew out banners or leaflets on display" there was 0 "Most sensible level headed people" s*** craic "he simply had to accept his lot at NUFC" he voluntarily signed an 8 year contract 2 years into "accepting his lot" "everything has a price and everything is for sale" despite this only Carroll, Debuchy and Cabaye were chosen to be sold "Pardew had his hands firmly tied behind his back" absolutely vile 1. that's his opinion. Edwards is banned however and as such might affect his writing. 2. Pardew Out was by all accounts weak and half-hearted. He should've received hell. 3. Agree with you. 4. He did have to accept the conditions of the job which he largely had no control of. He should've resigned though aye. He had all his eggs in De Jong's basket. 5. Ba too. Couldn't sign/keep Remy. All our standout performers during their time here. I go to the match and despised him from the beginning, others around me and mates never had that view initially but by the end they all could not stand them. Now that didn't mean they turned up at games and protested or booed for whatever reason but they could not stand how shit we were and held him as responsible as Fat Mike. Others may have been nervous about who we would possibly get when he left. I personally didn't give a fuck as I couldn't stand hearing the shit that came out of his mouth any longer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The only player I can really think of that didn't get upgraded is Cabs. I suppose Remy and Ba were not really replaced despite supposed efforts, we have ended up with Cisse, Perez and Riviere which is not really good enough at this level, however Pardew said he was quite happy with the signings we had made and felt we were strong. We do improve generally just not always in the most critical areas. Centre Half and Striker crucial as we are so weak there. We also need wingers and probably a better level of centre midfield but those 2 areas would be a great start. For wide areas hopefully Cabella and Aarons can strengthen us in those areas and we have the likes of Sissoko (If he stays), De Jong and Perez offering a decent threat going forward hopefully. I still think would could have played a better formation and tactically with more freedom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Players being sold packed in being a reasonable excuse when he refused to use others who had been bought. Cabaye sold? I know, why not use Marveaux who has played in that position before? No good? Ok why not move Sissoko into the centre and then use Ben Arfa on the right? Nah they both hate me. I'll just be an awkward moany cunt and use Dan Gosling and Shola Ameobi instead to deliberately piss everyone off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think up until January last year our squad was improving year on year tbh. The sale of Cabaye and Remy not wanting anything to do with us after the season finished has been damaging but Pardew only exasperated that by giving away Marveaux, Yanga-Mbiwa and Ben Arfa for no apparent reason. We've always had a pretty weird squad though, always missing a piece here or there, but we've always been good enough for the European places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The only player I can really think of that didn't get upgraded is Cabs. I suppose Remy and Ba were not really replaced despite supposed efforts, we have ended up with Cisse, Perez and Riviere which is not really good enough at this level, however Pardew said he was quite happy with the signings we had made and felt we were strong. We do improve generally just not always in the most critical areas. Centre Half and Striker crucial as we are so weak there. We also need wingers and probably a better level of centre midfield but those 2 areas would be a great start. For wide areas hopefully Cabella and Aarons can strengthen us in those areas and we have the likes of Sissoko (If he stays), De Jong and Perez offering a decent threat going forward hopefully. I still think would could have played a better formation and tactically with more freedom He loaned out our CB, he also loaned out two creative players we had. So he actually weakened it. Recall HBA/Marv/MYM suddely that squad looks a lot better Yip, true we would have had greater options. Still can't quite believe he kept Williamson and Taylor and loaned MYM out because he had no faith in his heading abilities Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'd forgotten about him playing Gosling. Such a cunt, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think up until January last year our squad was improving year on year tbh. The sale of Cabaye and Remy not wanting anything to do with us after the season finished has been damaging but Pardew only exasperated that by giving away Marveaux, Yanga-Mbiwa and Ben Arfa for no apparent reason. We've always had a pretty weird squad though, always missing a piece here or there, but we've always been good enough for the European places. We brought in a few in the summer with Janmaat (Good signing), Perez (Looks outstanding value), Cabella (Starting to get there?), De Jong (Hopefully decent when fit). Striker was the big one needed and they got Riviere (Who Pardew endorsed) and is not really good enough. But that's there plan 4 that could improve and 1 that probably won't retain the value. Pardew can't complain with the quality of at least Janmaat and Perez after all Colback was probably his signing and he likes players like Dummet and Williamson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 'Hands tied behind his back' Aye it is a terrible comment, no matter which way you twist it. He did. But that wasn't his problem. No he didn't. It's nonsense. Where have you been man? Managers with their hands tied behind their backs don't defend, praise and dedicate wins to the person that's supposedly tying them. They don't defend the appointment of Joe Kinnear, or tell everyone that Mike Ashley is the best boss that they've ever had and tell the club's fans that they should be thankful to Mike Ashley for not selling the club's best players. He runs with the hare and hunts with the hound, man. There's nothing more to it than that. He says whatever suits his own self preservation, that's it. His hands weren't tied in the slightest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The only players we've sold (for money) under Pardew were Carroll, Nolan, Routledge, Enrique, Best, Forster, Ba, Perch, Cabaye and Debuchy. Also Lua-Lua, Amalfitano and Tavernier but for pennies. Nowhere near as bad as Pardew would have us believe. Ben Arfa Cabaye Ba (free) Marveaux (free) Abeid Obertan Santon Elliot Cisse Amalfitano Bigi Good Anita Debuchy Yanga-Mbiwa Gouffran Haidara Sissoko Mbabu Kemen Remy (loan) De Jong Perez Colback (free) De Jong Cabella Riviere Janmaat Ferreyra Darlow (loaned) Lascelles (loaned) Interesting contrast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Players being sold packed in being a reasonable excuse when he refused to use others who had been bought. Cabaye sold? I know, why not use Marveaux who has played in that position before? No good? Ok why not move Sissoko into the centre and then use Ben Arfa on the right? Nah they both hate me. I'll just be an awkward moany c*** and use Dan Gosling and Shola Ameobi instead to deliberately p*ss everyone off. love this post. its so painfully true and correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'd love to see Alan Pardew with his hands literally tied behind his back like, shortly before being rolled in tarpaulin, weighed down with concrete and hoyed off a bridge. After Bimpy's wife shat on his head. Poor Bimpy's wife. She'll always be here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 After Jose Enrique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 God damn, hope he doesn't get him. Fuck off Pardew! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 "everything has a price and everything is for sale" despite this only Carroll, Debuchy and Cabaye were chosen to be sold The only players we've sold (for money) under Pardew were Carroll, Nolan, Routledge, Enrique, Best, Forster, Ba, Perch, Cabaye and Debuchy. Also Lua-Lua, Amalfitano and Tavernier but for pennies. Nowhere near as bad as Pardew would have us believe. If you look at the non-fringe list of those we sold, Nolan, Enrique, Debuchy were all replaced by equal or superior players (Cabaye, Santon, Janmaat) during the same transfer window. Ba and Carroll were also adequately replaced in subsequent windows with Remy and Ba. You could also argue that Perez could be better than Remy so that is Remy replaced too. So that leaves only Cabaye and to be honest Pardew got Colback instead who is who he wanted. We even replaced Ben Arfa with Cabella if you consider HBA was surplus to requirements. So the only good player we haven't adequately replaced is MYM and Pardew thought he was shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 "everything has a price and everything is for sale" despite this only Carroll, Debuchy and Cabaye were chosen to be sold The only players we've sold (for money) under Pardew were Carroll, Nolan, Routledge, Enrique, Best, Forster, Ba, Perch, Cabaye and Debuchy. Also Lua-Lua, Amalfitano and Tavernier but for pennies. Nowhere near as bad as Pardew would have us believe. If you look at the non-fringe list of those we sold, Nolan, Enrique, Debuchy were all replaced by equal or superior players (Cabaye, Santon, Janmaat) during the same transfer window. Ba and Carroll were also adequately replaced in subsequent windows with Remy and Ba. You could also argue that Perez could be better than Remy so that is Remy replaced too. So that leaves only Cabaye and to be honest Pardew got Colback instead who is who he wanted. We even replaced Ben Arfa with Cabella if you consider HBA was surplus to requirements. So the only good player we haven't adequately replaced is MYM and Pardew thought he was shite. There's also De Jong, Ferreyra and Riviere. 2 of them haven't worked out but they still might under a manager who is a human being. Though it could be argued the 2 strikers have replaced Shola and L. De Jong very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 James post is up there for worst of the year. Ba replaced Ba? Santon as good as Enrique? Perez as is - good as Remy. Because Pardew likes Colback its okay that you think he's Cabaye's replacement? Jesus wept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Ba replaced Carroll. Remy replaced Ba. But yeh it's a stretch on Cabaye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 James post is up there for worst of the year. Ba replaced Ba? Santon as good as Enrique? Perez as is - good as Remy. Because Pardew likes Colback its okay that you think he's Cabaye's replacement? Jesus wept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 The only gripe and excuse Pardew can have is that we're constantly playing catchup from window to window because the club wants to operate on the cheap (e.g. Ba being signed the summer after Carroll and Cisse basically a year later). But that wears thin after a while and any decent manager should be able to change things to find a system that fits the players that are left (without 'going back to basics' and then proceeding to lose every game). Even the mildly detestable Brendan Rodgers has found something that seems to be working, however many weird formations it's taken to get there. Pardew is just a bang average manager who plays shit football and is constantly up his own arse depsite having no achievements whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 James post is up there for worst of the year. Ba replaced Ba? Santon as good as Enrique? Perez as is - good as Remy. Because Pardew likes Colback its okay that you think he's Cabaye's replacement? Jesus wept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 No way was Ba meant to replace Carroll. I'm certain Cisse signed a whole year after Carroll left was meant to be his replacement. Ba was initially meant to be a stop-gap but he over delivered. If he was meant to be a Carroll replacement he wouldn't have that low release fee. Ba was meant to be replaced by Remy that same window. We didn't sign him in the end and when we did - it was just stop gap for a season. Santon's never been as good for us as Enrique was. Not close. We've been fortunate this season that Colback and especially Perez are better than expected. We've effectively replaced a French International striker with a French Walters and pulled it off because the lad from Segunda B looks a top talent. For my money De Jong was meant to be replace Cabaye's goals last season. Can't compare Liverpool to us man. They've sold - at the most - 2 players against their will in 5 years. We've sold 5 or 6. They're constantly building, we are constantly re-building. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Mozy's last line is correct though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 James post is up there for worst of the year. Ba replaced Ba? Santon as good as Enrique? Perez as is - good as Remy. Because Pardew likes Colback its okay that you think he's Cabaye's replacement? Jesus wept. It was a comment against the pro-pardew comments that players weren't replaced. Regardless on what we think, pardew hand picked Colback to replace Cabaye. So Pardew can not say he wasn't allowed to replace Cabaye, because he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I use Liverpool as an example because they are in exactly the same position we have been after losing Carroll, Ba, Cabaye. The only difference is for some reason Pardew's main tactic is to make one man the focal point of the entire team and then predictably it goes to shit when that player isn't there. That just shows a basic ability to recognise the obvious over who your best player is. But anyway, Rodgers has had to mess around with personnel and formations to try and find something that fits with his new players. That's what good managers do, they have good plan B's, C's, D's etc. What they don't do is elevate every clogger in the squad onto a pedestel and give them undroppable status. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 They've sold 1 player they didn't want to over the last 4 years. They have a negative net spend by 10's of millions - it's a team with significant investment. And they're 6 places down from last season. 4 down from their objective position. They've looked better in recent weeks but it's a poor example. Rodgers is better than Pardew - that is true. Colback/Pardew - If Colback would have cost any money he wouldn't be here. Pardew "hand picked" a free transfer. It's just a disgusting bias that the man can do nothing positive. If it's negative, it's his fault. If it's positive, it's luck or someone else virtue. If it where up to Pardew - he wouldn't sell Cabaye for 20m and replace him with a free transfer. The idiocy from some here makes me sound like I'm fond of Pardew. Overall he was disappointing for the fans and average at best from a senior leadership position. But when we act as if he's Carver, we'll end up looking stupid if he does some positive things at Palace - which he's very capable of doing as he did some decent work here at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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