Guest neesy111 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Oldham chairman has now apparently quit. Denied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexumaster Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Who thinks it's a good idea to drive over and have sex with a drunk girl their mate has just pulled? Honestly, if a girl is off her face just don't have sex with her, it's not f***ing difficult. What this all boils down to basically; have some fucking decorum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Wasn't he in a taxi on his way home, then got the text and re-directed the driver etc. If he was sober then there's an aboslute morality question (besides the crime). If he was impaired by drink himself then I think tit's a different argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Wasn't he in a taxi on his way home, then got the text and re-directed the driver etc. If he was sober then there's an aboslute morality question (besides the crime). If he was impaired by drink himself then I think tit's a different argument. He was in a taxi on his way to bail his other mate out of nick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heake Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Who thinks it's a good idea to drive over and have sex with a drunk girl their mate has just pulled? Honestly, if a girl is off her face just don't have sex with her, it's not f***ing difficult. Clearly not, but if you're young bloke, tanked up & there's a bird in your room who looks like shes "up for it" & you fancy your chances, then it can easily be a case of... That's not to say if she`s of her face or rejecting your advances its still ok, though from what I`ve read, it appears she may not have been (putting it tactfully). far too many people "casting the first stone" in this case for my liking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The judge's comments indicate that his verdict has come down to individual opinion. Obviously there was more to it than that, but he specifically uses the CCTV footage in his sentencing remarks and emphasises that it's in fact just an opinion. The jury would have had there own opinions too, which apparently matched the judges. It's still an opinion though, "was she drunk enough to consent going by this CCTV footage?" No, as i said above, that is not what he is saying at all. Of course opinion gets involved. It almost always does in legal cases. It is an opinion formed after seeing all the evidence, listening to questioning, and applying the law as exists. That's how juries work, too. That is how the legal system works. There is a massive difference between a few people discussing a legal case on a football forum, and a court of law with a judge and jury. A high court judge, a jury, having sat through the trial, having seen all the evidence, decided that Evans was guilty "beyond all reasonable doubt". As did the second judge who rejected the appeal. His comments also don't suggest it has "all come down to his personal opinion", either. He was found guilty by a jury. My point about it coming down to opinion is that there is no (as far as I'm aware) single solid piece of evidence that suggests guilt. It comes down to things like the CCTV footage which are open to individual interpretation. I'm not doubting the jury or their decision, they wouldn't have taken the task lightly, but I don't believe there's anything to suggest that the decision is 100% correct, without any doubt. It seems impossible given the evidence. If there was something I've missed then fair enough. FWIW I'm not saying that I think he's innocent, or that he shouldn't have served his sentence once found guilty. I just cannot ever be 100% sure despite the jury's verdict. i honestly can't see how you get to "reasonable doubt" when it's essentially a case of 2 people's word against each other - he said she consented, she said she doesn't remember a thing which cannot be verified but that statement in itself (plus some selected CCTV footage i guess) led a jury to decide that she was unable to consent it's lucky people don't lie i suppose, otherwise we'd need evidence and s*** And that is the key to me here. The law is clear that to be found guilty you must be proved beyond reasonable doubt. There is way too much doubt here to return a guilty verdict IMO. Not that I don't think Evans is a f***ing idiot, or indeed did commit the crime, there's just not enough evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt he did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Dunno if this is Giggs but have heard he has signed! Apprently Oldham said no. So he got them drunk and signed anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The deal's off mate - SSN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The deal's off mate - SSN. He was making a rape joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 'Ched Evans has served his time' - and other common misconceptions about the convicted rapist footballer A handy rebuttal guide http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/ched-evans-has-served-his-time--and-other-misconceptions-about-the-convicted-rapist-footballer-9957849.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Dunno if this is Giggs but have heard he has signed! Apprently Oldham said no. So he got them drunk and signed anyway Ladies and gentelman, by Slim's own assertion if he gets shot by some terrorists he's not deserving of any real sympathy. Nah they don't deserve to be killed and I don't care about the Muslim stuff at all. But joking about kidnapped raped babys makes me have a lot less sympathy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Dunno if this is Giggs but have heard he has signed! Apprently Oldham said no. So he got them drunk and signed anyway Ladies and gentelman, by Slim's own assertion if he gets shot by some terrorists he's not deserving of any real sympathy. Nah they don't deserve to be killed and I don't care about the Muslim stuff at all. But joking about kidnapped raped babys makes me have a lot less sympathy I also blame God for all this. He is a fucking prick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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UV Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 'Ched Evans has served his time' - and other common misconceptions about the convicted rapist footballer A handy rebuttal guide http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/ched-evans-has-served-his-time--and-other-misconceptions-about-the-convicted-rapist-footballer-9957849.html "How nice it would have been if the whole sorry saga of Ched Evans had been left in 2014." Says journalist writing an article about it. Anyone who tries to make an argument that because he doesn't believe what he did constitutes rape means "HE MIGHT DO IT AGAIN!" is clearly point scoring and not trying to make legitimate arguments. After what's happened, unless he's psychotic, he's going to avoid any kind of situation where any shadow of doubt could be cast for the rest of his life. Meanwhile here's some lifestyle advice from the same moral guardian: I write this shortly after emerging from a rather jolly lunchtime spent in the pub, which came at the end of a particularly merry December. In fact, now I come to think about it, the last time I went for more than two days without a proper drink was when I had the flu. In this, I'd wager I'm not all that different from any other adult human, and like most people I fully intend to give my liver a rest at some point in the coming year. But if there’s one thing guaranteed to have me reaching for the nearest bottle of tequila, it’s the self-satisfaction of signed-up “Dry January” participants, waving their sponsorship forms, comparing recipes for kale smoothies, braying about their newly glowing skin, and the ease of their ten mile morning jogs. Because the only thing more boring than not drinking is talking about not drinking. Here are some good things about giving up alcohol: you will save a shed load of cash, you will probably lose a few pounds, and you won’t accidentally declare undying love to a colleague. But here is a bad thing: you may well become such a dreadful judgemental bore that no one will want to spend any time with you. Because, like it or not, booze is the social lubricant that makes our lives go round. In moderation, it eases first dates and facilitates first shags; it commiserates lost jobs and toasts new friends. “Can you have a dry January?” we’re asked. Well, yes, but why the hell would you want to? Don't be boring and sober, go out and get pissed girls, you might get a new year shag! Wahey! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The deal's off mate - SSN. He was making a rape joke. No way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 supposing we signed him, we would get a goal scorer for nothing, 52000 would still turn up every week, Wonga may or may not dissapear and additionally we wouldn't lose many sponsorship deals, and here's the clincher Ashley may depart even quicker, on second thoughts for SD there is no such thing as bad publicity. Feel free to comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 he's shit though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 he's shit though The main flaw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 he's s*** though can't be worse than some of the dreggs we have at the mo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Dunno about you, but I love seeing the 7 second clip of Ched Evans walking to his car in the car park that keeps playing on SSN Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 he's s*** though can't be worse than some of the dreggs we have at the mo. I dunno like. He's pretty shit. 1 goals in every 4.3 championship matches. Only started scoring when he went down to the third tier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Ched Evans now saying that he called the deal off, not Oldham. 'I have withdraw from talks with Oldham Athletic. I would like to thank the club, and those who have supported me in my lawful quest to find work.' Says he did so because of the 'mob rule' tactics employed by society, and that the constant media reporting had the desired influence on some sponsors and that the club would face significant financial pressure if he joined them. Does seem to be something of a PR campaign on his part to turn the tide (as it were) Judging by his last comments - no genuine remorse there, as he comes over as feeling very hard done to. Prick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/pfa-boss-sparks-fury-comparing-8409641 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Apparently hes gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Daft remark like, and I was listening to the interview live and he sounded like a total creep, but why does everyone have to be hounded out of their jobs everytime they cock up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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