The College Dropout Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Janmaat is a slight upgrade on Elmohamady. Neither are fullbacks. Lack the pace or trickery to be wingers so make decent wing back options at best. On a good day they can look quality. He can't even get a regular start at Watford under 3 managers. When you have shit managers, sometimes you can over-rate the players when they show glimpses of ability. When we first signed him I was really impressed. He looks a player technically and is fairly big for FB. However, he can't fucking jump, got beaten by smaller men at the back post again and again. And was always sleeping defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 On 24/03/2018 at 13:04, The College Dropout said: Janmaat is a slight upgrade on Elmohamady. Neither are fullbacks. Lack the pace or trickery to be wingers so make decent wing back options at best. On a good day they can look quality. He can't even get a regular start at Watford under 3 managers. When you have shit managers, sometimes you can over-rate the players when they show glimpses of ability. He's started 13 of the last 15 games for Watford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Janmaat is a decent player and was generally good for us until the last few months Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 On 24/03/2018 at 13:07, joeyt said: Quote Janmaat is a slight upgrade on Elmohamady. Neither are fullbacks. Lack the pace or trickery to be wingers so make decent wing back options at best. On a good day they can look quality. He can't even get a regular start at Watford under 3 managers. When you have shit managers, sometimes you can over-rate the players when they show glimpses of ability. He's started 13 of the last 15 games for Watford Ok this new one seems to like him. Point remains, he's a bang average footballer all things considered. A poor full back. Wouldn't get in the England squad. ANd was a bad player for us when he was here most importantly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Of course he wouldn't get in the England squad, I don't think anyone would argue he is better than Trippier, Clyne or Walker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Bolasie's a good player but I will never forget how he tore Daryl apart in the 5-1 that day. Then I realised, the lad would be sleeping week in week out defensively. When the wind blew, Janmaat would fall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Genuine question. Are you more interested in just contradicting me or do you actually rate Janmaat - specifically regarding his time at NUFC as a fullback? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Shut up, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 I thought Janmaat was a good attacker but a poor defender for us. I'd be surprised if anyone thinks he'd get in a fully fit England squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Janmaat is shit. He was shit for us for the most part and has continued his shitness. Anyone arguing different just to be arseholey to TCD is being arseholey themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 On 24/03/2018 at 13:34, George Bailey said: Janmaat is shit. He was shit for us for the most part and has continued his shitness. Anyone arguing different just to be arseholey to TCD is being arseholey themselves. He was very good in his first season for us. The second season he was poor defensively but was one of our best players going forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Love a good old TCD lecture. With the inclusion of random stats, teams or players to back up his pointless patter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 On 24/03/2018 at 13:15, The College Dropout said: Bolasie's a good player but I will never forget how he tore Daryl apart in the 5-1 that day. Then I realised, the lad would be sleeping week in week out defensively. When the wind blew, Janmaat would fall. Course you'll never forget that 5-1. That will be in the vaults of the old wank bank won't it? You'll be feeling Glad all over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 If I had to use one emoji on this forum to describe England and it's away support it would be this one: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Mine would be :meh: They'll get their heads kicked in by some Russian ultras soon enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Holland are like England as it stands; a footballing nation not to be taken seriously. They were appalling last night and looking at their pool of players to choose from there is nothing to brag about. Dutch are living off old greats at this stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 TBF as I've said before on here it's more surprising that a European country like the Netherlands of ~15 million people has been consistently successful than it is shocking that they are finally having a duff generation. They're closer to the likes of Belgium, Czech Republic and Romania (who have had huge peaks and troughs in terms of player production) than they are the likes of England, France and Germany. Population obviously isn't everything, but it's a factor that gives them some leeway. They're long overdue this slump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollof rice and pea Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Kluivert, De Ligt and Frenkie are meant to be huge talents tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 On 24/03/2018 at 21:52, ponsaelius said: TBF as I've said before on here it's more surprising that a European country like the Netherlands of ~15 million people has been consistently successful than it is shocking that they are finally having a duff generation. They're closer to the likes of Belgium, Czech Republic and Romania (who have had huge peaks and troughs in terms of player production) than they are the likes of England, France and Germany. Population obviously isn't everything, but it's a factor that gives them some leeway. They're long overdue this slump. Of course, and it’s no surprise it’s coincided with their league turning to utter shite as the CL marches on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 I don’t entirely buy the population thing. Suriname is a nation of half a million with a wider diaspora. For 20 years straight Surinamese (is that right?) descendants have been good footballers as a disproportionate rate. Now it’s stopped. The a mean was the previous output imo. This is a slump not a return to the mean. Netherlands overall were a top nation for 30-40 straight years more or less. They can’t be compared to Belgium. Netherlands have been good for too many generations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 They were also absolutely shite pre-1974. Smaller nations are always more liable to come a cropper eventually, and their declines are more obvious. When Germany had their slump that caused them to rip apart their whole system there was still enough there to make a World Cup final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Is there a country that has punched above their weight population-wise more than Uruguay historically? Crazy there's only 3.5m live there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Netherlands didn't enter the WC in 1950, 1954 and didn't qualify for the World Cup in 1958, 1962, 1966, 1970, 1982, 1986, 2002 and now 2018. That's a lot of missed World Cup's for a footballing powerhouse. No they're a smaller country that has massively punched above its weight, and has now regressed slightly after some great success. It's just they have achieved so much, and produced so many fantastic players, that expectations are above and beyond. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 On 24/03/2018 at 22:38, Interpolic said: Is there a country that has punched above their weight population-wise more than Uruguay historically? Crazy there's only 3.5m live there. No, although they’ve had their shite times too. Saying that economics will always mean they’re in the upper half of South American teams. Massively helps in countries like Uruguay there’s no other past times aside from drinking hot drinks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 On 24/03/2018 at 22:20, The College Dropout said: I don’t entirely buy the population thing. Suriname is a nation of half a million with a wider diaspora. For 20 years straight Surinamese (is that right?) descendants have been good footballers as a disproportionate rate. Now it’s stopped. The a mean was the previous output imo. This is a slump not a return to the mean. Netherlands overall were a top nation for 30-40 straight years more or less. They can’t be compared to Belgium. Netherlands have been good for too many generations. Belgium have been to more World Cups than the Dutch. 12 vs 10. It's just their peaks haven't been so great when they've had fantastic generations. They were still runners up at the Euros in 1980 and 4th place at the World Cup in 1986. This generation hasn't finished its run yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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