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15 minutes ago, LFEE said:


Scholes has become a myth. A player that was underrated a tad at the time leading to then became massively overrated by those saying he was underrated :lol:

 

He was never a regular for Man Utd and England for a reason. Very good player but not sure he was even a CM.


You’re thinking of Nicky Butt.

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36 minutes ago, Curva Sud Milano said:

 

I agree... In Italy we all know that Totti was infinitely better than Del Piero but I'm convinced that many "foreigners" consider Del Piero a better player.

Perhaps we Italians make the same mistake considering Scholes better than Gerrard.

 

Totti is a God. Scholes was a better footballer than Gerrard. Gerrard was an effective player, as was Lampard but they both had quite clear limitations at the highest level. Scholes controlled games of football from midfield. 

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56 minutes ago, Curva Sud Milano said:

 

I agree... In Italy we all know that Totti was infinitely better than Del Piero but I'm convinced that many "foreigners" consider Del Piero a better player.

Perhaps we Italians make the same mistake considering Scholes better than Gerrard.


Now do Italy :) 

 

the first 2 are easy.

 

1. Pirlo

 

2. De Rossi 

 

3. Verrati? Gattuso? I was probably too young to appreciate Berti in his prime.

 

edit: Albertini? Same comment as Berti.

 

 

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Can we discuss who was the worst tackler? Scholes just couldn’t, Gerrard was a snide, dirty cunt and Lampard avoided. They all had different strengths, I’d probably go Gerrard. It’d be interesting what other Premier League players of the that era think. 
 

Further back Gazza was, well Gazza. Bryan Robson; now there was a complete midfielder.

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1 hour ago, Interpolic said:

 

Eh?! He was first choice, wasn't he? 

 

For England he was shifted out to the left under Eriksson to accommodate Gerrard and Lampard. 

Nope. Often dropped for the big games as Fergie knew the midfield would get overrun.

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1 hour ago, Fak said:

Eh?

Yep.

1 hour ago, Kimbo said:


You’re thinking of Nicky Butt.

 

Nope.

 

Like I say history has been rewritten on his career. He was regularly a bench player.

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16 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Nope. Often dropped for the big games as Fergie knew the midfield would get overrun.

 

He was dropped for some big games when they wanted to play another DM with Keane. Not many iirc. 

 

I'll have a look but would be amazed if I'm far wrong cos I was paying A LOT of attention at that age. 

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Just now, Interpolic said:

 

He was dropped for some big games when they wanted to play another DM with Keane. Not many iirc. 

 

I'll have a look but would be amazed if I'm far wrong cos I was paying A LOT of attention at that age. 


Don’t get me wrong. He will of very good appearance rate. Fergie seemed to trust him more later in his career and clearly rated him. 
 

However he was slow and physically not strong and quite hot headed with a ridiculous tackling style.

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1 hour ago, McCormick said:


Now do Italy :) 

 

the first 2 are easy.

 

1. Pirlo

 

2. De Rossi 

 

3. Verrati? Gattuso? I was probably too young to appreciate Berti in his prime.

 

edit: Albertini? Same comment as Berti.

 

 

 

 

I'm not a big fan of Verratti. Gattuso had stamina and aggression out of this world but was technically very limited. Albertini was highly overrated and Berti was an atypical midfielder, I wouldn't call him a CM. I really liked Dino Baggio (Dino not Roberto), especially during his years at Parma...he knew how to do everything and he did it well.

To find CM dominants, however, you have to go back to the 1980s... Tardelli, Oriali, and Ancellotti were three beasts. In Tonali, for example, I see a lot of Tardelli and a bit of De Rossi... not Pirlo or Gattuso.

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16 minutes ago, Lordshola said:

Like fuck he was [emoji38]

142 out of 718 between 1994-2013 Vs Giggs 160 out of 963 1991-2014.

 

Giggs was a winger most of his career also which you’d expect to be rotated more. There were times Giggs even played ahead of Scholes in midfield late on iirc.

 

Excellent technical player. Not world class for me and not strictly CM for me also. 

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, LFEE said:

142 out of 718 between 1994-2013 Vs Giggs 160 out of 963 1991-2014.

 

Giggs was a winger most of his career also which you’d expect to be rotated more. There were times Giggs even played ahead of Scholes in midfield late on iirc.

 

Excellent technical player. Not world class for me and not strictly CM for me also. 

 

 

 

 

 

How is that “regularly a bench player”??

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I think Tuchel has now moved to the right formation, with Bellingham to come back 4231 is a better fit with two sitting than 433, and he’s kept width and pace on the flanks…but that 11 is not going to trouble the best teams. 
 

Except for a couple of positions there really isn’t much elite level depth in the squad.

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Just now, Froggy said:

 

Now check how many sub appearances were directly after injuries or suspension. 

I don’t care that much frankly :lol:

 

And to give an answer to the argument Gerrard was the better CM. He could drag poorer teams along and was far more effective in a team that didn’t have the ball dominance Man Utd had. 
 

If NUFC ever had to sign one I’d of went for Gerrard. He’d make a bigger impact on a more regular basis in games. Scholes never grasped games single-handedly like Gerrard.

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11 minutes ago, Lordshola said:

How is that “regularly a bench player”??

Sub every 5th game is regular to me. Maybe not to you which is fair enough.

 

My main point however still stands that I always felt he was left out of the biggest games. Which to me goes against the theory of the greatest English CM since 1996 or whenever it was suggested.

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22 minutes ago, LFEE said:

142 out of 718 between 1994-2013 Vs Giggs 160 out of 963 1991-2014.

 

Giggs was a winger most of his career also which you’d expect to be rotated more. There were times Giggs even played ahead of Scholes in midfield late on iirc.

 

Excellent technical player. Not world class for me and not strictly CM for me also. 

 

 

 

 

 

Scholes is a player who, when he visited the Nou Camp, had as his name sang out when taken off.

 

He was serenaded off the pitch by the Barcelona fans...

 

They obviously rated him!

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