alexjack Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You honestly think a manager of Rafa’s stature bases his team selections on who runs the furthest in training? He and his coaches will have data on everything - each player’s Vo2 max, resting heart rate, heart rate at maximum output etc. If the stats consistently show that he isn’t pushing himself as hard as he can in training, would you honestly advocate picking him? That kind of attitude is unacceptable! Rafa’s word is law at this club, end of. If he says he wants players giving everything in training and he can see that Mitro consistently isn’t then he can’t expect to get picked. All he had to do was work a bit harder and he would’ve been in the team. What you seem to be saying is it’s ok for players to go against the manager and that they should still be picked regardless. I can see that ending really f***ing well! You know what, when Joselu does this, you'll be right, until then you're wrong, have a nice evening Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You honestly think a manager of Rafa’s stature bases his team selections on who runs the furthest in training? He and his coaches will have data on everything - each player’s Vo2 max, resting heart rate, heart rate at maximum output etc. If the stats consistently show that he isn’t pushing himself as hard as he can in training, would you honestly advocate picking him? That kind of attitude is unacceptable! Rafa’s word is law at this club, end of. If he says he wants players giving everything in training and he can see that Mitro consistently isn’t then he can’t expect to get picked. All he had to do was work a bit harder and he would’ve been in the team. What you seem to be saying is it’s ok for players to go against the manager and that they should still be picked regardless. I can see that ending really f***ing well! You know what, when Joselu does this, you'll be right, until then you're wrong, have a nice evening Umm......no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footsoldier Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I think the point is that when you only have Joselu, who is an absolute dog and Gayle who is not far behind then there surely have been times when a case could be made for Mitrovic. Freezing him out seems very childish to me given our precarious situation when we need all the help we can get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You honestly think a manager of Rafa’s stature bases his team selections on who runs the furthest in training? He and his coaches will have data on everything - each player’s Vo2 max, resting heart rate, heart rate at maximum output etc. If the stats consistently show that he isn’t pushing himself as hard as he can in training, would you honestly advocate picking him? That kind of attitude is unacceptable! Rafa’s word is law at this club, end of. If he says he wants players giving everything in training and he can see that Mitro consistently isn’t then he can’t expect to get picked. All he had to do was work a bit harder and he would’ve been in the team. What you seem to be saying is it’s ok for players to go against the manager and that they should still be picked regardless. I can see that ending really f***ing well! You know what, when Joselu does this, you'll be right, until then you're wrong, have a nice evening one of his 4 goals in 25 appearances in the Championship there. Meanwhile, the universally deemed not good enough Joselu has 4 goals in 22 appearances in the Premier League. GET.HIM.IN.THE.TEAM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Would much rather a team was picked on merit/stats rather than persisting with the same players and formula constantly. See Pardew, Alan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Mitrovic isn't like Ben Arfa or even Marveaux, that should be clear to absolutely everyone. He's not a player that you can really argue for being picked on merit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Well I wish Joselu tried a bit less in training, then we'd not have to put up with him on matchday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You have three average strikers - two give their all in training one sits about eating kebabs..Who do you pick? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You honestly think a manager of Rafa’s stature bases his team selections on who runs the furthest in training? He and his coaches will have data on everything - each player’s Vo2 max, resting heart rate, heart rate at maximum output etc. If the stats consistently show that he isn’t pushing himself as hard as he can in training, would you honestly advocate picking him? That kind of attitude is unacceptable! Rafa’s word is law at this club, end of. If he says he wants players giving everything in training and he can see that Mitro consistently isn’t then he can’t expect to get picked. All he had to do was work a bit harder and he would’ve been in the team. What you seem to be saying is it’s ok for players to go against the manager and that they should still be picked regardless. I can see that ending really f***ing well! You know what, when Joselu does this, you'll be right, until then you're wrong, have a nice evening He scores a good goal then rips his top off which is a yellow card offence just for doing something daft like he often has done. Advocating playing a player who doesn't train well and does daft things which cost the team is not correct my friend. Even before you factor in the bans his total PL goals vs mins on the pitch is not as good as Gayles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You honestly think a manager of Rafa’s stature bases his team selections on who runs the furthest in training? He and his coaches will have data on everything - each player’s Vo2 max, resting heart rate, heart rate at maximum output etc. If the stats consistently show that he isn’t pushing himself as hard as he can in training, would you honestly advocate picking him? That kind of attitude is unacceptable! Rafa’s word is law at this club, end of. If he says he wants players giving everything in training and he can see that Mitro consistently isn’t then he can’t expect to get picked. All he had to do was work a bit harder and he would’ve been in the team. What you seem to be saying is it’s ok for players to go against the manager and that they should still be picked regardless. I can see that ending really f***ing well! You know what, when Joselu does this, you'll be right, until then you're wrong, have a nice evening one of his 4 goals in 25 appearances in the Championship there. Meanwhile, the universally deemed not good enough Joselu has 4 goals in 22 appearances in the Premier League. GET.HIM.IN.THE.TEAM Would be interesting to lose the term ‘appearances’ and change it to minutes played, a more accurate reflection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Mitro has suddenly become a goalmachine, maverick Ben Arfa type 2 days he's been gone Some posters on this forum, man. The dude fucking sucked balls for us. If he was a goalmachine, even if he'd not trained, Rafa would've started him every game. As would have every other manager. But he's a young lad who struggled with the pace of the league. He's best suited to another country where the pace is slower. I don't know why people are acting as if he was 100% the best striker at the club when even when he actually started, he wasn't any better than Joselu or Gayle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 If you google his name and red cards you will find he has a history of daftness btw. His two seasons before joining us are a hoot. How many games would he have missed if they were in PL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footsoldier Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You have three average strikers - two give their all in training one sits about eating kebabs..Who do you pick? Clearly neither Joselu or Gayle can score a goal between them. Kebabs or no kebabs, if Mitrovic coiuld’ve scored a few goals to keeps us in the premier league then give him the ones with extra meat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You have three average strikers - two give their all in training one sits about eating kebabs..Who do you pick? Exactly. You'd think Mitrovic was head and shoulders above the others reading some of the responses to that article, when all the evidence is that he's not. He's got more potential I'd say, but if he can't be arsed then he's got no right to complain. I wasn't being flippant when I said I hope this loan makes him buck his ideas up and we benefit from it next season. Doubt it but you never know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You have three average strikers - two give their all in training one sits about eating kebabs..Who do you pick? Clearly neither Joselu or Gayle can score a goal between them. Kebabs or no kebabs, if Mitrovic coiuld’ve scored a few goals to keeps us in the premier league then give him the ones with extra meat. So our last relegation season completely didn't happen now. His consistent, constant, legendary misses that relegated us have been excised from collective memory by Men in Black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You honestly think a manager of Rafa’s stature bases his team selections on who runs the furthest in training? He and his coaches will have data on everything - each player’s Vo2 max, resting heart rate, heart rate at maximum output etc. If the stats consistently show that he isn’t pushing himself as hard as he can in training, would you honestly advocate picking him? That kind of attitude is unacceptable! Rafa’s word is law at this club, end of. If he says he wants players giving everything in training and he can see that Mitro consistently isn’t then he can’t expect to get picked. All he had to do was work a bit harder and he would’ve been in the team. What you seem to be saying is it’s ok for players to go against the manager and that they should still be picked regardless. I can see that ending really f***ing well! You know what, when Joselu does this, you'll be right, until then you're wrong, have a nice evening one of his 4 goals in 25 appearances in the Championship there. Meanwhile, the universally deemed not good enough Joselu has 4 goals in 22 appearances in the Premier League. GET.HIM.IN.THE.TEAM Would be interesting to lose the term ‘appearances’ and change it to minutes played, a more accurate reflection. Be my guest dude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You have three average strikers - two give their all in training one sits about eating kebabs..Who do you pick? Is the one most likely to score, the right answer? Or the one most likely to work hardest? Or, to most precisely comply with his tactical brief? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I don't think Mitro is head and shoulders ahead of the other two but after seeing how shit those two are you can't deny Mitro deserves much more chance than he got. And I don't think people are saying he is our new HBA - I just think people who trying hard to defend Rafa are portraiting Mitro as super dog shit which clearly he isn't. The problem is on Rafa. I don't get it. Criticising Rafa doesn't mean want him replaced. Why can't just accept Rafa got some decisions wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Mitrovic is quite comfortably a better striker than Joselu like, we've seen that with our own eyes. He wasn't good enough, Joselu is just genuinely fucking awful. It sounds like it's his own fault but if we get relegated I think it's fair to say not playing him at all in favour of Joselu was a ridiculous call. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Mitrovic is quite comfortably a better striker than Joselu like, we've seen that with our own eyes. He wasn't good enough, Joselu is just genuinely fucking awful. It sounds like it's his own fault but if we get relegated I think it's fair to say not playing him at all in favour of Joselu was a ridiculous call. Spot on, incredible that anyone tries to dispute it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You honestly think a manager of Rafa’s stature bases his team selections on who runs the furthest in training? He and his coaches will have data on everything - each player’s Vo2 max, resting heart rate, heart rate at maximum output etc. If the stats consistently show that he isn’t pushing himself as hard as he can in training, would you honestly advocate picking him? That kind of attitude is unacceptable! Rafa’s word is law at this club, end of. If he says he wants players giving everything in training and he can see that Mitro consistently isn’t then he can’t expect to get picked. All he had to do was work a bit harder and he would’ve been in the team. What you seem to be saying is it’s ok for players to go against the manager and that they should still be picked regardless. I can see that ending really f***ing well! You know what, when Joselu does this, you'll be right, until then you're wrong, have a nice evening one of his 4 goals in 25 appearances in the Championship there. Meanwhile, the universally deemed not good enough Joselu has 4 goals in 22 appearances in the Premier League. GET.HIM.IN.THE.TEAM Would be interesting to lose the term ‘appearances’ and change it to minutes played, a more accurate reflection. Be my guest dude. Mitro - 4 goals and 6 assists in 1122 minutes as a bit part player, rarely starting 2 games in a row Joselu - 4 goals and 1 assist in 1562 minutes with 19 starts Looks totally different compared to the skewed figures you tried to use. Joselu has what? 1 goal in his last 9 appearances. I dont care less if Mitro turns up every day to training in stockings and heels, he’s still a better striker and we’d have been better off with him in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Aye, incredible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You honestly think a manager of Rafa’s stature bases his team selections on who runs the furthest in training? He and his coaches will have data on everything - each player’s Vo2 max, resting heart rate, heart rate at maximum output etc. If the stats consistently show that he isn’t pushing himself as hard as he can in training, would you honestly advocate picking him? That kind of attitude is unacceptable! Rafa’s word is law at this club, end of. If he says he wants players giving everything in training and he can see that Mitro consistently isn’t then he can’t expect to get picked. All he had to do was work a bit harder and he would’ve been in the team. What you seem to be saying is it’s ok for players to go against the manager and that they should still be picked regardless. I can see that ending really f***ing well! You know what, when Joselu does this, you'll be right, until then you're wrong, have a nice evening one of his 4 goals in 25 appearances in the Championship there. Meanwhile, the universally deemed not good enough Joselu has 4 goals in 22 appearances in the Premier League. GET.HIM.IN.THE.TEAM Would be interesting to lose the term ‘appearances’ and change it to minutes played, a more accurate reflection. Be my guest dude. Mitro - 4 goals and 6 assists in 1122 minutes as a bit part player, rarely starting 2 games in a row Joselu - 4 goals and 1 assist in 1562 minutes with 19 starts Joselu has what? 1 goal in his last 9 appearances. I dont care less if Mitro turns up every day to training in stockings and heels, he’s still a better striker and we’d have been better off with him in the team. I can't even be arsed tbh. I find the whole pandering for Mitrovic thing proper weird and alien. No one will ever convince me that he should have been playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You honestly think a manager of Rafa’s stature bases his team selections on who runs the furthest in training? He and his coaches will have data on everything - each player’s Vo2 max, resting heart rate, heart rate at maximum output etc. If the stats consistently show that he isn’t pushing himself as hard as he can in training, would you honestly advocate picking him? That kind of attitude is unacceptable! Rafa’s word is law at this club, end of. If he says he wants players giving everything in training and he can see that Mitro consistently isn’t then he can’t expect to get picked. All he had to do was work a bit harder and he would’ve been in the team. What you seem to be saying is it’s ok for players to go against the manager and that they should still be picked regardless. I can see that ending really f***ing well! You know what, when Joselu does this, you'll be right, until then you're wrong, have a nice evening one of his 4 goals in 25 appearances in the Championship there. Meanwhile, the universally deemed not good enough Joselu has 4 goals in 22 appearances in the Premier League. GET.HIM.IN.THE.TEAM Would be interesting to lose the term ‘appearances’ and change it to minutes played, a more accurate reflection. Be my guest dude. Mitro - 4 goals and 6 assists in 1122 minutes as a bit part player, rarely starting 2 games in a row Joselu - 4 goals and 1 assist in 1562 minutes with 19 starts Joselu has what? 1 goal in his last 9 appearances. I dont care less if Mitro turns up every day to training in stockings and heels, he’s still a better striker and we’d have been better off with him in the team. I can't even be arsed tbh. I find the whole pandering for Mitrovic thing proper weird and alien. No one will ever convince me that he should have been playing. If Gayle and Joselu had been adequate there'd be no Mitrovic discussion. As it turns out, they'll be lucky to match combined this season what Mitrovic has scored in the Premier league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Mitrovic is quite comfortably a better striker than Joselu like, we've seen that with our own eyes. He wasn't good enough, Joselu is just genuinely fucking awful. It sounds like it's his own fault but if we get relegated I think it's fair to say not playing him at all in favour of Joselu was a ridiculous call. Spot on, incredible that anyone tries to dispute it. But we got relegated. With Mitro as our main striker. Incredible anyone tries to dispute that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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