Guest neesy111 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 'hatred' ffs. Either way, it's not like. Liking him for being mad is just the football version of liking Jacob Reese-Mogg and Boris Johnson because they're whacky novelties. You are quoting the word hatred in ridicule - but you have definitely used it to express your views on Mitrovic on this forum - which is pretty weird tbh, certainly more so than people in support of him because they like his attitude. I couldn't disagree more. I dislike him as a player, no doubt, but that's the difference - it's not personal. Anyone liking him and pining for him to start because of his personality, mad antics, and supposed attitude are the weird ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 There's been plenty in here who have revelled in it when he hasn't played well for us as well mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 His team won 2-0 and their fans are happy with his performance. Why try and dig at that? Wish I could be happy at one of Joselu's performances. Where's the dig at his performance? That's exactly what we all want, I'd fucking love to end up with egg on my face. It was in response to the posts about disliking him as if right now that's something that's worthy of ridicule. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 'hatred' ffs. Either way, it's not like. Liking him for being mad is just the football version of liking Jacob Reese-Mogg and Boris Johnson because they're whacky novelties. You are quoting the word hatred in ridicule - but you have definitely used it to express your views on Mitrovic on this forum - which is pretty weird tbh, certainly more so than people in support of him because they like his attitude. I couldn't disagree more. I dislike him as a player, no doubt, but that's the difference - it's not personal. Anyone liking him and pining for him to start because of his personality, mad antics, and supposed attitude are the weird ones. Same as the freaks who big up Joey Barton and Shola as footballers because of who they are away from the pitch. So going back to the initial point, what was the narrative on show in this page again then? As far as I can see it's just people pleased that he had a good debut for Fulham and that Fulham's fans are happy with him for it. Narrative you say? I'm not so sure, but it seems like your disliking of him is as blinding as those who love him for being a mad c***. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 'hatred' ffs. Either way, it's not like. Liking him for being mad is just the football version of liking Jacob Reese-Mogg and Boris Johnson because they're whacky novelties. You are quoting the word hatred in ridicule - but you have definitely used it to express your views on Mitrovic on this forum - which is pretty weird tbh, certainly more so than people in support of him because they like his attitude. I couldn't disagree more. I dislike him as a player, no doubt, but that's the difference - it's not personal. Anyone liking him and pining for him to start because of his personality, mad antics, and supposed attitude are the weird ones. Same as the freaks who big up Joey Barton and Shola as footballers because of who they are away from the pitch. So going back to the initial point, what was the narrative on show in this page again then? As far as I can see it's just people pleased that he had a good debut for Fulham and that Fulham's fans are happy with him for it. Narrative you say? I'm not so sure, but it seems like your disliking of him is as blinding as those who love him for being a mad c***. Eh? Why would it be those things? It was in response to Disco's post. Sorry, I thought that would be obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 'hatred' ffs. Either way, it's not like. Liking him for being mad is just the football version of liking Jacob Reese-Mogg and Boris Johnson because they're whacky novelties. You are quoting the word hatred in ridicule - but you have definitely used it to express your views on Mitrovic on this forum - which is pretty weird tbh, certainly more so than people in support of him because they like his attitude. I couldn't disagree more. I dislike him as a player, no doubt, but that's the difference - it's not personal. Anyone liking him and pining for him to start because of his personality, mad antics, and supposed attitude are the weird ones. Same as the freaks who big up Joey Barton and Shola as footballers because of who they are away from the pitch. So going back to the initial point, what was the narrative on show in this page again then? As far as I can see it's just people pleased that he had a good debut for Fulham and that Fulham's fans are happy with him for it. Narrative you say? I'm not so sure, but it seems like your disliking of him is as blinding as those who love him for being a mad c***. Eh? Why would it be those things? It was in response to Disco's post. Sorry, I thought that would be obvious. I see, forgive me I thought it was aimed at the the previous posts in general. Although my point still stands that I think your hatred or disliking of him is just as blinding as those who love him just for the the more extreme sides of his personality. Two sides of the same coin, they will jump to defend him with any given opportunity, and you will jump to detract from him at any given opportunity. Both have a root in some truth, yours being that it is at least based within purely footballing reasons, and theirs in that they like the passion he shows, but both miss the mark imo and fail to address the reality which is that yes he's not perfect individually, but he's a decent footballer and people want to see him do well cause he has a infectious personality. Nothing wrong with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 KI’s agenda against Mitro is really boring like. People weren’t pining for him to start because of his personality, they were pining for him to start because Joselu is fucking awful. Fulham fans who actually watched him reckon he was class yesterday, not bad for a player who hasn’t played in months. Sure he’ll do well there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Aye, KI regularly says Mitro is placed on a pedestal by "freaks" and "Mitro fans" because he's got PASHUN, ignoring the fact people just want him playing because he's obviously better than the alternative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 If by agenda you mean being flabbergasted by the banter brigade-like lauding of a player with a terrible disciplinary record, that flails around like he's been shot to try and get opposition players sent off, and has nowhere near enough quality to offset those things, then yes I absolutely have an agenda. Pleased he played well though, it's finally something to actually hang your hat on if you're a fan of his football ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Aye, KI regularly says Mitro is placed on a pedestal by "freaks" and "Mitro fans" because he's got PASHUN, ignoring the fact people just want him playing because he's obviously better than the alternative. Nonsense. I find the idea that he's 'obviously better than the alternative' daft, it's based on nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Aye, KI regularly says Mitro is placed on a pedestal by "freaks" and "Mitro fans" because he's got PASHUN, ignoring the fact people just want him playing because he's obviously better than the alternative. Nonsense. I find the idea that he's 'obviously better than the alternative' daft, it's based on nothing. It's not nonsense, it's both mine and alot of other fans opinion that a young striker who represents his country and scored 9 PL goals in his first season could offer more than Joselu. It's not hard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Aye, KI regularly says Mitro is placed on a pedestal by "freaks" and "Mitro fans" because he's got PASHUN, ignoring the fact people just want him playing because he's obviously better than the alternative. Nonsense. I find the idea that he's 'obviously better than the alternative' daft, it's based on nothing. It's not nonsense, it's both mine and alot of other fans opinion that a young striker who represents his country and scored 9 PL goals in his first season could offer more than Joselu. It's not hard. No. It's nonsense that I've ignored that point, or fact as you put it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Mitro is an international striker with 9 PL goals in a debut season at the age of 21. Joselu is a tin pot Bundesliga rejected who's hit 8 PL goals at the age of 27 in his PL career to date. These are facts. The only thing up for debate is attitude, Mitro is a radjee, Joselu runs about and doesn't cause a fuss. Are either good enough, probably not. Is Mitro of higher quality than Joselu, absolutely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Mitro is an international striker with 9 PL goals in a debut season at the age of 21. Joselu is a tin pot Bundesliga rejected who's hit 8 PL goals at the age of 27 in his PL career to date. These are facts. The only thing up for debate is attitude, Mitro is a radjee, Joselu runs about and doesn't cause a fuss. Are either good enough, probably not. Is Mitro of higher quality than Joselu, absolutely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Mitro is an international striker with 9 PL goals in a debut season at the age of 21. Joselu is a tin pot Bundesliga rejected who's hit 8 PL goals at the age of 27 in his PL career to date. These are facts. The only thing up for debate is attitude, Mitro is a radjee, Joselu runs about and doesn't cause a fuss. Are either good enough, probably not. Is Mitro of higher quality than Joselu, absolutely. Those facts seem highly selective if I'm being honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 What other stats should I be selecting like? Joselu never played in Belgium, and Mitro never in Spain / Germany. That's Joselus entire PL career (over 40 games) compared to Mitros only PL season? If anything adding this season gives Mitro 6 more appearances and an extra goal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 At the age of 22ish, Joselu was hammering in 5 goals across 2 seasons for Hoffenheim? I can't be selective if Joselu is consistently s***. edit: Going by PL minutes, Joselu has roughly 600 minutes of game time remaining to score 5 more goals and get 3 more assists, otherwise Mitro is statistically more useful in both scoring and creating, at a younger age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Debut season in a different team under a different manager. A season in which he still missed shit loads of chances, had ill discipline, and (not his fault) definitely shouldn't have been our main striker. Under our current manager he's failed in the system we had in place in the Championship, never mind in the Premier League, and has continued to not work on the defensive side of his game that Rafa's instructed him to this season (as mentioned in Rafa's talk in at the Tyneside Cinema). Gayle didn't fail in the Championship and Josélu puts in the defensive work that Mitrovic doesn't. Why that would be less important to you than the season before in a completely different context, or him playing for his national team, or him being 'better' but unsuitable for the whole team's system, I dunno. He's not good enough for the whole system to change in order to accommodate him. I've even seen the whole Mitrovic/Josélu/Rafa thing compared with Ben Arfa/Raylor/Pardew situation on here, which is laughable really when you think about the chasm between the quality of the players and managers involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 "2nd season in a different team under a different manager. A season in which he still missed s*** loads of chances, ran about, and (not his fault) definitely shouldn't have been our main striker." - Joselu, 17/18 They are entirely incomparable as there is to many confounding variables like the quality of the team around him, manager etc. But the none grey area is goals, and I doubt there is anybody who could see Joselu getting 9 PL goals in what was essentially less than 25 full games, whether in Rafas or McClarens team. He's s****, Mitro is slightly less s****. I don't get why you have such a knarking problem when people say he's areet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 "2nd season in a different team under a different manager. A season in which he still missed s*** loads of chances, ran about, and (not his fault) definitely shouldn't have been our main striker." - Joselu, 17/18 They are entirely incomparable as there is to many confounding variables like the quality of the team around him, manager etc. But the none grey area is goals, and I doubt there is anybody who could see Joselu getting 9 PL goals in what was essentially less than 25 full games, whether in Rafas or McClarens team. He's s****, Mitro is slightly less s****. I don't get why you have such a knarking problem when people say he's areet Because he's not areet. He's just a different version of shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I much prefer Mitrovic to Joselu like, but I really think Joselu is an unbelievable shitcunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 A nice weekly edition of the Mitrovic conundrum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Fucking hell I don’t rate Mitrovic at all, but he pisses all over Joselu who is one of the worst forwards I’ve ever seen for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 His version of shitness is down to his personality, mad antics, and supposed attitude toward learning the defensive side of the game, I agree But maybe he'd be areet if he could sort it out. Joselu has nothing to sort, his version of shitness is non-negotiable. Mitro needs to be refined, polished, but most importantly mature, Joselu needs melting down. For me that's why Mitros in the less s*** / areet bracket. There is nowt wrong with people wanting him playing or to do well at Fulham, under the pretence he might just learn something and become the player we thought we'd poached from BvB and Porto etc. It doesn't mean there is an unfathomable Mitro love in. It's clear he has technical ability lurking somewhere, it comes out in occasional flashes when he gets assists, brings the ball down on his chest, clever lay offs etc. It's got f*** all to do with him being mental/mad from chewing pyro as a Partizan player, which is what you seem to label as peoples reason for starting him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 So Mitrovic would be ok if he got better. But how do you get better if you're not bothering with training? They are obviously both pretty crap but one does what the manager asks, the other doesnt. That's pretty much all there is to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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