Aleksandar Mitrović

[Mole_Toonfan]

Our team right now has multiple players in it who at one time Rafa didn't trust enough to start.

 

It's not an impossible scenario where Mitrovic or anyone else can gain that trust, he's not an arrogant man who refuses to change if he sees better alternatives.

[Crumpy Gunt]

Delighted Fulham won.

 

Villa goosed. Will they be daft enough to pay decent wedge for Mitro.

[thenige]

If he signs for Fulham in the summer would be very tempted to put him in my fantasy team. Think he’d score more goals for Fulham next year in the Prem than any of our strikers got last season.

[Ketsbaia]

If he signs for Fulham in the summer would be very tempted to put him in my fantasy team. Think he’d score more goals for Fulham next year in the Prem than any of our strikers got last season.

Oh yeah, easily. He'll be straight in mine.

[Ankles Bennett]

Got to keep Mitro on our books until after WC.  His value could increase significantly if he has a good WC.

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[Guest chopey]

Got to keep Mitro on our books until after WC.  His value could increase significantly if he has a good WC.

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Unless he gets injured

[Crumpy Gunt]

Got to keep Mitro on our books until after WC.  His value could increase significantly if he has a good WC.

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Unless he gets injured

 

...or people actually realise he is top notch shit

[Twinport53]

Got to keep Mitro on our books until after WC.  His value could increase significantly if he has a good WC.

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Unless he gets injured

 

...or people actually realise i'm top notch shit

 

FYP.

[Scoot]

Can't believe how much people are underselling him. He's scored at a ridiculous rate in the championship, arguably the reason Fulham got promoted, scored in the PL, and scored internationally, he's only 23 and we should sell him for below 20m? Ross McCormack went for 12m ffs.

 

General consensus from the pundits is he's playing way below his level, it's seemingly only our own fans who don't rate him.

 

And Rafa.

[mrmojorisin75]

ah they've got rid of the guy at fulham that was fucking things up for them then

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/27/slavisa-jokanovic-fulham-options-craven-cottage-promotion-premier-league

 

btw meant to ask in another thread, what's happened to bruce in the last 6 months i'd missed?  traumatic?

[Rebellious]

ah they've got rid of the guy at fulham that was fucking things up for them then

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/27/slavisa-jokanovic-fulham-options-craven-cottage-promotion-premier-league

 

btw meant to ask in another thread, what's happened to bruce in the last 6 months i'd missed?  traumatic?

 

I think I heard during the match his mum and dad died.

[mrmojorisin75]

oh holy fuck, wow

[Rebellious]

oh holy fuck, wow

 

Yeah just googled it. One then the other or something close apart.

[mrmojorisin75]

oh holy fuck, wow

 

Yeah just googled it. One then the other or something close apart.

 

poor bastard

[Teasy]

Should be looking to get the best part of £40m for our strikers (Mitro, Gayle, Joselu & Armstrong) in the summer.

 

Blow it all on one imo.

 

With our generous credit terms when we sell players Rafa would be lucky to get £8million of that. Might as well keep Joselu!

 

it's starting to kill me this installments thing, and i've been guilty of it as well, but f*** me yeah let's sell £40m worth of players from an already s****, small squad then give rafa 25% of that to spend on replacing them (if he's f***ing lucky)

 

we're such a shithouse club man

 

Considering how we sell in installments and buy outright and have been doing it for many years now we should have a constant stream of transfer cash every year.  Because we've built up a load of installments getting paid to use every year and have no installments going out.  So at this point "we can't spend X from the sale of a player because of installments" is just another shite excuse.

 

i'd be amazed if it amounted to say £40m or whatever people think we're gonna bring in from sales personally

 

You mean if the installments we receive every season amounted to £40m?, probably not.  We could probably work out roughly what we get each year I suppose.  These kind of deals are usually paid in equal payments over the course of a players contract length.

[mrmojorisin75]

Should be looking to get the best part of £40m for our strikers (Mitro, Gayle, Joselu & Armstrong) in the summer.

 

Blow it all on one imo.

 

With our generous credit terms when we sell players Rafa would be lucky to get £8million of that. Might as well keep Joselu!

 

it's starting to kill me this installments thing, and i've been guilty of it as well, but f*** me yeah let's sell £40m worth of players from an already s****, small squad then give rafa 25% of that to spend on replacing them (if he's f***ing lucky)

 

we're such a shithouse club man

 

Considering how we sell in installments and buy outright and have been doing it for many years now we should have a constant stream of transfer cash every year.  Because we've built up a load of installments getting paid to use every year and have no installments going out.  So at this point "we can't spend X from the sale of a player because of installments" is just another shite excuse.

 

i'd be amazed if it amounted to say £40m or whatever people think we're gonna bring in from sales personally

 

You mean if the installments we receive every season amounted to £40m?  We could probably work it out in a rough kind of way I suppose.  These kind of deals are usually paid in equal payments over the course of a players contract length.

 

yeah, what i'm saying is that people are still going "lets sell gayle, mitro, joselu & armstrong" for £40m then we can spend that on new striker(s) also assuming rafa is going to have a budget outwith this of say £50m from TV money

 

if we did sell them all most likely we'd get max £10m up front or something, is there £30m still to come from installments on previous sales? i don't know but i doubt it seeing at the total owed to us was £60m from the account and we owe £25m or whatever...

 

 

[Teasy]

Aye probably £30m at most is more likely (looks like there might be about £30m coming in per season but obviously some going out).  I suppose getting those four off the wage bill and securing future cash would be more important in bringing players in than the instant cash injection.  Though Ashley will probably just flip a coin to decide the transfer budget regardless "heads I win tails you lose Rafa"

[tmonkey]

Mitro was gash for us in the PL imo. He's a big target man who lacks the strength to hold off PL defenders, doesn't have notable aerial ability at all especially in build up play (barely jumps), and doesn't hold the ball up particularly well. He's also slow and has shown he's a mediocre finisher who can't be relied upon to take rare chances. The only time he made a positive impact in the PL was when he'd come off the bench and "offer something different", and that was purely by virtue of just having a different play style to Cisse/Ayoze/etc, i.e. try to win headers, hold the ball up, battle physically with defenders instead of actually being good at those things.

 

That was in the past, though. Wonder if anything has significantly improved in his game whilst with Fulham that now suggests he'd do well in the PL? Not sure scoring regularly in the Championship is a good indicator of him being good to go at PL level - he was behind Gayle for us when in the Championship because Gayle looked like Andy Cole down there, yet we all know Gayle isn't remotely good enough for the PL asides from effort, so there's only so much stock you can put on that. Come to think of it Mitro was behind Murphy too, either due to a falling out with Rafa or because Murphy was slightly better aerially/held the ball up better.

 

And maybe this isn't a consistently applicable barometer, but if Mitro looks class then you'd expect other PL clubs to be banging on the door to sign him permanently. Can understand Fulham wanting him because he's already embedded in their team, and for a newly promoted PL side they'll struggle to get a quality goalscorer. He'll  also be good should Fulham get relegated from the PL, so it's a safe gamble all round for them. But you'd expect other mid table or low end PL clubs to be seriously considering him if there's a decent chance he's a much better player than we've seen in an NUFC shirt.

 

I'd personally be inclined to sell Mitro if we get a decent offer, ideally straight after the WC in case he scores a couple of goals and his value increases. I think that'd be one of those deals where everyone wins - Fulham get an OK player, and we get rid of a player who'd at best be a bench warmer (especially since he doesn't have the mobility needed for Rafa's system and things like Shelveys passing ability). There's always going to be the risk that he develops further and becomes another Jon Dahl Tomasson type that we regret selling after misusing him (not sure that's the case with Mitro tbh, he's had plenty of games for us in his preferred position/role), but it's also just as likely that he gets found out again at PL level or does something stupid that will make noone else want him. We'd then be stuck with an unsellable player that noone really wants, taking up space/wages in the squad till his contract runs out or he gets a new contract from whichever new/desperate manager has come in and realised there's no money for replacements - basically what kept Shola here forever.

 

[xLiaaamx]

Wish we could pull a 21 year old foreigner first season in England getting 9 goals gash again like. Would have been a big help this year.

[tmonkey]

Wish we could pull a 21 year old foreigner first season in England getting 9 goals gash again like. Would have been a big help this year.

 

He started this season with us and went on loan in Jan. The few times he came on he looked kinda useless and the same as before.

 

Might be harsh, but that's why I'm asking if anything has changed.

[Bimpy474]

Does feel like Mitro gets undue stick for his first season, the poor misses didn't help.

 

Dunno if it's just me but I'm pretty sure this ground has been walked on several times 

[xLiaaamx]

Wish we could pull a 21 year old foreigner first season in England getting 9 goals gash again like. Would have been a big help this year.

 

He started this season with us and went on loan in Jan. The few times he came on he looked kinda useless and the same as before.

 

Might be harsh, but that's why I'm asking if anything has changed.

Did he? I thought in the only real run he had, against West Ham where he got about half an hour, he looked really dangerous and was causing them issues, and scored.

 

(Yes, there was the incident, but Shelvey's clearly shown those don't matter when you have the talent to help)

[HawK]

Mitro was gash for us in the PL imo. He's a big target man who lacks the strength to hold off PL defenders, doesn't have notable aerial ability at all especially in build up play (barely jumps), and doesn't hold the ball up particularly well. He's also slow and has shown he's a mediocre finisher who can't be relied upon to take rare chances. The only time he made a positive impact in the PL was when he'd come off the bench and "offer something different", and that was purely by virtue of just having a different play style to Cisse/Ayoze/etc, i.e. try to win headers, hold the ball up, battle physically with defenders instead of actually being good at those things.

 

That was in the past, though. Wonder if anything has significantly improved in his game whilst with Fulham that now suggests he'd do well in the PL? Not sure scoring regularly in the Championship is a good indicator of him being good to go at PL level - he was behind Gayle for us when in the Championship because Gayle looked like Andy Cole down there, yet we all know Gayle isn't remotely good enough for the PL asides from effort, so there's only so much stock you can put on that. Come to think of it Mitro was behind Murphy too, either due to a falling out with Rafa or because Murphy was slightly better aerially/held the ball up better.

 

And maybe this isn't a consistently applicable barometer, but if Mitro looks class then you'd expect other PL clubs to be banging on the door to sign him permanently. Can understand Fulham wanting him because he's already embedded in their team, and for a newly promoted PL side they'll struggle to get a quality goalscorer. He'll  also be good should Fulham get relegated from the PL, so it's a safe gamble all round for them. But you'd expect other mid table or low end PL clubs to be seriously considering him if there's a decent chance he's a much better player than we've seen in an NUFC shirt.

 

I'd personally be inclined to sell Mitro if we get a decent offer, ideally straight after the WC in case he scores a couple of goals and his value increases. I think that'd be one of those deals where everyone wins - Fulham get an OK player, and we get rid of a player who'd at best be a bench warmer (especially since he doesn't have the mobility needed for Rafa's system and things like Shelveys passing ability). There's always going to be the risk that he develops further and becomes another Jon Dahl Tomasson type that we regret selling after misusing him (not sure that's the case with Mitro tbh, he's had plenty of games for us in his preferred position/role), but it's also just as likely that he gets found out again at PL level or does something stupid that will make noone else want him. We'd then be stuck with an unsellable player that noone really wants, taking up space/wages in the squad till his contract runs out or he gets a new contract from whichever new/desperate manager has come in and realised there's no money for replacements - basically what kept Shola here forever.

 

 

Don't understand the agenda behind this sort of opinion being peddled out all the time. By any measure, he had a good debut season in the PL, all circumstances considered.

[Tiresias]

I think mitro has a lot of potential but think he missed the chance he had under Rafa in the championship and at the end of the day if Rafa can't trust him he has to go.

[Guest NobbyOhNobby]

I think mitro has a lot of potential but think he missed the chance he had under Rafa in the championship and at the end of the day if Rafa can't trust him he has to go.

I think that's the point. Rafa doesn't seem to think he can play his way/Mitro hasn't shown the desire and adaptability to be able to mould himself into a player who can thrive the way Rafa plays. I don't think Mitro is good enough for Rafa to completely change his footballing philosophy and style of play to better suit him. Fulham play a way that suits him - good for them. Sadly we don't. On that basis, it makes sense to sell him and buy someone who will/can do what Rafa wants.

 

Trust Rafa