Pilko Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Barkley shouldn't be in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Nah he'll be ok. Edit: about milner We had Milner here long enough to know what he's about. A very steady and reliable performer who doesn't show up in big games. Sterling has been shite this season for a team that should make it easy for him to look good. I know I'm biased but if I was going to pick one out of those two and Townsend to actually do something special in an international tournament it would be Townsend every time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 We could have had townsend sterling and vardy on the pitch if we were chasing a game or looking to counter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 ... you'd play Sturridge ahead of Kane and Vardy then.............? If Sturridge was bang in form and fully fit, I'd start him with Kane. He's a better player than Vardy. As he's not fit, hasn't played in the recent friendlies and has had a mixed season on the whole, Vardy starts. He can still be a big asset off the bench though IMO, even if not 100% fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Vardy should play against teams that are better than us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Nah he'll be ok. Edit: about milner We had Milner here long enough to know what he's about. A very steady and reliable performer who doesn't show up in big games. Sterling has been s**** this season for a team that should make it easy for him to look good. I know I'm biased but if I was going to pick one out of those two and Townsend to actually do something special in an international tournament it would be Townsend every time. Best case situation is Milner defends his wing, is sturdy & puts in a couple crosses that lead to goals. You'd think Townsends potential as someone who can affect a game independantly is much higher but yeah its not suprising is it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Given the relative seasons the players mentioned have had I think Townsend can feel a bit aggreaved. It's another case of names being chosen over form by England, again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 ... you'd play Sturridge ahead of Kane and Vardy then.............? If Sturridge was bang in form and fully fit, I'd start him with Kane. He's a better player than Vardy. As he's not fit, hasn't played in the recent friendlies and has had a mixed season on the whole, Vardy starts. He can still be a big asset off the bench though IMO, even if not 100% fit. Im gonna keep beating this drum. He's not a more dangerous player than Vardy. He has better technique, probably a better selection of shots & is more skillful yes. Defenders would fear playing Vardy more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 ... you'd play Sturridge ahead of Kane and Vardy then.............? If Sturridge was bang in form and fully fit, I'd start him with Kane. He's a better player than Vardy. As he's not fit, hasn't played in the recent friendlies and has had a mixed season on the whole, Vardy starts. He can still be a big asset off the bench though IMO, even if not 100% fit. I like Sturridge, but as you say, he's out of form, and semi injured. You say that england are making the same mistakes again by picking a player just because he's at a big team, but I would make the point that they're making the same mistake again by picking a half-injured player who is out of form, purely because of his reputation. I want form/confidence/health in my squad, and therefore Rashford is the preferable option. Although I would've been fine with bringing neither tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I would have taken Townsend fwiw but don't think Milner going is a bad thing, he's a solid player in several positions. He's not going to produce some 'magic' but you can't base all your criteria of who to take on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 People keep saying sturridge is out of form? He's been pretty effective this season when fit hasn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 His body is out of form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Or he'd be upset about NUFC and relegation having to do with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Well at least it'll be more likely that we'll keep him. How? If he was in the 23 man squad and he lit up the Euros, we'd have a harder job keeping him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 So has Barkley actually been picked for the squad? What is he going to bring to the table? I can't see him or Sterling producing when it matters. Neither of them are as good at providing end product from wide positions either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dabe Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 So has Barkley actually been picked for the squad? What is he going to bring to the table? I can't see him or Sterling producing when it matters. Neither of them are as good at providing end product from wide positions either. Seems like as with Wilshere/Sturridge they've been picked on the abstract concept of "potential". They look like they could do something and have done from a young age, forget actual performances or long stretches of absence, they have the attributes to be good...and I like Wilshere/Barkley, but if we quantified performances and chose a squad they shouldn't be in a pool of 23 selected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Less chance someone comes in for him, and he can get a good rest ahead of the season now. He did deserve to go though, so it's disappointing for him. Shame really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Dummet not going either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 ... you'd play Sturridge ahead of Kane and Vardy then.............? If Sturridge was bang in form and fully fit, I'd start him with Kane. He's a better player than Vardy. As he's not fit, hasn't played in the recent friendlies and has had a mixed season on the whole, Vardy starts. He can still be a big asset off the bench though IMO, even if not 100% fit. I like Sturridge, but as you say, he's out of form, and semi injured. You say that england are making the same mistakes again by picking a player just because he's at a big team, but I would make the point that they're making the same mistake again by picking a half-injured player who is out of form, purely because of his reputation. I want form/confidence/health in my squad, and therefore Rashford is the preferable option. Although I would've been fine with bringing neither tbh. Take your point re. Sturridge and being picked on rep/past performances. Do think he's a class act and worth the gamble though. 8 in 14 for Liverpool isn't terrible considering he's been in and out of the team and few, if any in the England squad, are capable of scoring that goal against Sevilla for my money. What annoys me re. the Rashford pick isn't that he plays for Man Utd FWIW; he's clearly a talent and has played his way into the England conversation with his performances in the second half of the season. I just can't understand how, in the space of 2 mins or however long it took him to score, he's gone from being an almost token inclusion, brought in solely for a bit of friendly experience, to being a nailed-on cert for the final squad. All because of 1 goal. Against Australia. For me, Roy's just picked him to appease the media hype and has unbalanced the squad in doing so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I think Hodgson is all over the place, 4 fullbacks and 3 CB's, and one of the 3 is carrying an injury. 5 strikers when we will start with 1 up top, and one of them is injured. Then in the midfield it's hard to see Henderson or Barkley having much impact, and Wilshere will have to be nursed through the tournament. Drinkwater and Townsend never stood a chance did they. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago_shearer Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 A bit puzzling why you'd drop a player like Townsend who actually offers something different from the bench. He could be useful after Wilshire/Henderson/Rooney produce the usual terrified, awful English tournament football and you need to change the game (before the panicked Rashford sub in the last 10 minutes). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I doubt Rashford will feature. I can see Vardy being the panic sub. Kane and Rooney starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I don't have any problem with Rashford or Sturridge, both have shown something special, but it should have been one or the other. We don't need 5 strikers, but we did need a genuine winger. Sterling is more of a wide forward, and Milner is more of a wide midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I think the 5 strikers thing is because he's thinking Rashford can play out wide and Rooney central also. Townsend is just so direct though, and unlike so many in the team can really shoot. Should have been included, no question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I'd have Townsend over Sterling any day of the week based on form and mentality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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