Wallace Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Does Pardew have any idea how to build and coach a back four? We all appreciated our solidity in the first 3-4 months of last season but it's easy to forget that was the house that Chris Hughton built in terms of the defensive unit. As I said above, those players had already been playing together pretty effectively for years. Pardew wants to go back to that solidity but with new players - does he have the first f***ing clue what he's meant to be doing with them structurally or was he taking credit for what was, in the main, someone else's work? I posted this in 2013. He's done exactly the same at Palace, lived off Pulis's defence for a year or so then after a few personnel changes and enough time, everything completely goes to s*** and his teams eventually ship 3, 4 and 5 on a regular basis. Astonishing post. I have seen posts on the Crystal Palace forum that are almost verbatim to your 2013 post.Just replacing Hughton with Pulis. He's still pulling the same tricks. What are his actual qualifications as a manager? Has he actually ever done anything in a learning capacity regarding badges etc? I also saw a post last week on one of their forums where they said that when they look back on that amazing run when he first came in, that they had a lot of luck as a lot of those games were won by one goal where the game could have gone either way. Exactly the same with our 5th season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Anything from football 365 yet, no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 We sound like Bane. Superb Reading that back in Bane's voice and it works so well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 With the players he had at Newcastle and Palace he really couldn't have done any worse. Our 5th place finish was one of the flukiest things I've ever witnessed. We were somehow keeping clean sheets with Ryan Taylor and Danny Simpson as full backs, while Ba and Cisse nicked games on their own. When we did show the slightest bit of quality through Ben Arfa or Cabaye, Pardew tried to flog one and drop the other. A really bizarre time and Pardew has been living off it ever since. He still deserves some credit for that season but my days did we have a lot of luck. Cisse couldn't miss if he tried during that streak. They were flying into the top corner off his shin. His conversion rate must have be astonishing Jan-May 2012. I don't think he deserves any credit for that season. He was basically living off the best parts of Hughton's organisation at the back as Wullie said, and some inspired attacking signings from Carr which merged to provide a really effective combination. Even then he managed to fuck that up within six months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Anything from football 365 yet, no? http://www.football365.com/news/premier-league-winners-and-losers-47 Alan Pardew Two weeks before losing 5-4 at Swansea City, Alan Pardew spoke of his managerial style, which he insisted wouldn’t change: “Anyone who knows the way I manage, I like my teams to be on the front foot and score goals, so clean sheets have never been the top of my priority.” Pardew went on to say that he would like his Palace team to keep more clean sheets, but the damage had been done. If you tell players that clean sheets aren’t a priority, don’t be surprised when they struggle to keep them. At the Liberty Stadium, five chickens came home to roost. In his pre-match press conference before Saturday’s game, Pardew delved once again into his bumper bag of excuses. At Newcastle and Palace, a non-exhaustive blame list includes referees, injuries, referees for injuries, atmosphere, the Olympics, the Notting Hill carnival, the Europa League, finances, grass, science, intelligence of the local population, singing, the local press, the World Cup and the fixture list. On Thursday, it was Crystal Palace’s players who bore the brunt. “Sometimes you have to look at the level I am working at,” Pardew said. “We are not a dominant club, so results are going to have ups and downs. The inconsistencies are why some players don’t play at top clubs. Top clubs have players who consistently give you seven, eight out of 10.” So, in short, Palace’s run of form is not Pardew’s fault because the players are no better than their current performance. Sure. Supporters may accept that excuse if Palace didn’t have the worst form in the country. They may accept it if Pardew’s team had taken more than 22 points from their last 32 league fixtures. They may accept it if Pardew had not talked recently of getting the club into the top eight, or spent £50m on new players this summer. Unfairly or otherwise, and the majority would argue otherwise, this is Pardew’s reputation; this is Alan Pardew. He is a manager who enjoys taking the credit for the good times, but is only too happy to shift blame when performances and results go awry. It’s easy to make the short leap that this behaviour has become Pardew’s Achilles’ heel. Each of his troughs as a manager, and there have been many, have at least partly been caused by defensive shambles. When a manager refuses to take responsibility, is it any surprise when his players fail to do the same? Crystal Palace’s defending After conceding five at Swansea, Pardew was vehemently defended by Phil Neville on BBC Sport. “They are on a bad run, obviously, but I don’t think it is Pardew’s fault,” Neville said. “I actually feel sorry for him, because Palace’s players are letting him down big-time at the moment. “Sometimes you can see a manager has picked the wrong team, is using the wrong tactics or has signed the wrong players. But those are not the reasons why Crystal Palace lost at Swansea, or why they are struggling right now. They are in this situation because their players’ application when they are defending set-pieces is nothing short of a disgrace.” Neville has wilfully ignored that it is a manager’s role to get players performing well, motivate them and organise them at set-pieces, but there is the semblance of a point in there. Palace have now conceded 13 times from set-pieces this season. Not only is that the highest in the Premier League, it accounts for half of Palace’s goals conceded. The question over how blame should be apportioned is an impossible one to answer, but neither party is wholly culpable and neither is blameless. Even if you feel demotivated by your current manager, professional pride must surely take over? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Anything from football 365 yet, no? http://www.football365.com/news/premier-league-winners-and-losers-47 Alan Pardew Two weeks before losing 5-4 at Swansea City, Alan Pardew spoke of his managerial style, which he insisted wouldn’t change: “Anyone who knows the way I manage, I like my teams to be on the front foot and score goals, so clean sheets have never been the top of my priority.” Pardew went on to say that he would like his Palace team to keep more clean sheets, but the damage had been done. If you tell players that clean sheets aren’t a priority, don’t be surprised when they struggle to keep them. At the Liberty Stadium, five chickens came home to roost. In his pre-match press conference before Saturday’s game, Pardew delved once again into his bumper bag of excuses. At Newcastle and Palace, a non-exhaustive blame list includes referees, injuries, referees for injuries, atmosphere, the Olympics, the Notting Hill carnival, the Europa League, finances, grass, science, intelligence of the local population, singing, the local press, the World Cup and the fixture list. On Thursday, it was Crystal Palace’s players who bore the brunt. “Sometimes you have to look at the level I am working at,” Pardew said. “We are not a dominant club, so results are going to have ups and downs. The inconsistencies are why some players don’t play at top clubs. Top clubs have players who consistently give you seven, eight out of 10.” So, in short, Palace’s run of form is not Pardew’s fault because the players are no better than their current performance. Sure. Supporters may accept that excuse if Palace didn’t have the worst form in the country. They may accept it if Pardew’s team had taken more than 22 points from their last 32 league fixtures. They may accept it if Pardew had not talked recently of getting the club into the top eight, or spent £50m on new players this summer. Unfairly or otherwise, and the majority would argue otherwise, this is Pardew’s reputation; this is Alan Pardew. He is a manager who enjoys taking the credit for the good times, but is only too happy to shift blame when performances and results go awry. It’s easy to make the short leap that this behaviour has become Pardew’s Achilles’ heel. Each of his troughs as a manager, and there have been many, have at least partly been caused by defensive shambles. When a manager refuses to take responsibility, is it any surprise when his players fail to do the same? Crystal Palace’s defending After conceding five at Swansea, Pardew was vehemently defended by Phil Neville on BBC Sport. “They are on a bad run, obviously, but I don’t think it is Pardew’s fault,” Neville said. “I actually feel sorry for him, because Palace’s players are letting him down big-time at the moment. “Sometimes you can see a manager has picked the wrong team, is using the wrong tactics or has signed the wrong players. But those are not the reasons why Crystal Palace lost at Swansea, or why they are struggling right now. They are in this situation because their players’ application when they are defending set-pieces is nothing short of a disgrace.” Neville has wilfully ignored that it is a manager’s role to get players performing well, motivate them and organise them at set-pieces, but there is the semblance of a point in there. Palace have now conceded 13 times from set-pieces this season. Not only is that the highest in the Premier League, it accounts for half of Palace’s goals conceded. The question over how blame should be apportioned is an impossible one to answer, but neither party is wholly culpable and neither is blameless. Even if you feel demotivated by your current manager, professional pride must surely take over? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Nowhere near cutting enough for me, but that's probably as cutting as it'll get in the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Plenty of Pardew slagging in the comments section here https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/26/swansea-city-crystal-palace-premier-league-match-report Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 DrGreggles 2d ago Did Pardew do his prick dance at 4-3? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Noticed this on F365 as well “If I was a foreign coach I would’ve been praised for that” – Yes, David Moyes is talking about losing 2-0 against Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Miracle he's still in the job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Noticed this on F365 as well “If I was a foreign coach I would’ve been praised for that” – Yes, David Moyes is talking about losing 2-0 against Liverpool. JESUS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 In his pre-match press conference before Saturday’s game, Pardew delved once again into his bumper bag of excuses. At Newcastle and Palace, a non-exhaustive blame list includes referees, injuries, referees for injuries, atmosphere, the Olympics, the Notting Hill carnival, the Europa League, finances, grass, science, intelligence of the local population, singing, the local press, the World Cup and the fixture list. On Thursday, it was Crystal Palace’s players who bore the brunt. It's even more ridiculous when you see his excuses in a list like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 In his pre-match press conference before Saturday’s game, Pardew delved once again into his bumper bag of excuses. At Newcastle and Palace, a non-exhaustive blame list includes referees, injuries, referees for injuries, atmosphere, the Olympics, the Notting Hill carnival, the Europa League, finances, grass, science, intelligence of the local population, singing, the local press, the World Cup and the fixture list. On Thursday, it was Crystal Palace’s players who bore the brunt. It's even more ridiculous when you see his excuses in a list like that All thanks to SackPardew.com for publicising those excuses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Sometimes you have to look at the level I am working at,” Pardew said. “We are not a dominant club, so results are going to have ups and downs. The inconsistencies are why some players don’t play at top clubs. Top clubs have players who consistently give you seven, eight out of 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Yes Alan, of course it is. And why is it you haven't managed any top clubs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just the 16 clubs above Palace at the moment, all must be top clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 That's going to really endear him to the Palace chairman. He's only getting players (that he asked for) as the top clubs don't want them because they've got a shit attitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 6 defeats in a row is not inconsistency, its damn right failure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 6 defeats in a row is not inconsistency, its damn right failure. it's pretty consistent for Pards like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 digging his own grave, literally munching out the soil with that massive gob of his. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Noticed this on F365 as well “If I was a foreign coach I would’ve been praised for that” – Yes, David Moyes is talking about losing 2-0 against Liverpool. Where to begin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Spent bucketloads on his own players too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Spent bucketloads on his own players too Not his fault he cant buy players who are 8s or 10s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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